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Post#41 » by nahom1319 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:11 pm

Ahmed1212 wrote:So I only read the first half of this letter. It doesn't seem racist to me.

It just seems like he was trying to market to a different demographic?

Anyone else get this vibe or am I tripping?

I read the entire thing. There is minor bit where he mentions his theory that he feels whites would cheer louder but other than that I see no real evidence of racism. This is just a business man trying to run a business. If what he wrote is considered racist enough to force him to sell the Hawks I shouldn't be allowed to own anything ever in life.
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Post#42 » by Scarface844 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:13 pm

OhMyBosh wrote:It's never a bad thing to rid the league of bigots and racists. I hope they keep it going.


Its a terrible thing. This owner wasnt even racist. His topic had racial undertones but it wasnt racist. Even it were, it doesnt matter. Majority of the owners/high level execs are racist one way or the other. Are you going to get rid of everyone then?

Its just how life works. People are allowed to believe what they want. Its democracy and its capitalism. If someone says something in the privacy of there own home or in a personal email, they should not be punished because there privacy got violated.

It isnt only white people that are racist. I'm sure some black people are also racist but for some reason in todays society, you can only be a racist if your white. If your a minority, you can't be racist.
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Post#43 » by FirstInkTDot » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:22 pm

Atlanta doesn't really care about sports aside from Football, this guy is going to get rich off by selling this team. Also it's not surprising seeing OLD WHITE MEN being racist.
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Post#44 » by steamed hams » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:23 pm

Inklink wrote:..didn't look TOO bad, IMO. Maybe he saw Sterling's big payday and needed an excuse to sell the team :D


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Post#45 » by Raps in 4 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:30 pm

i think southern whites simply were not comfortable being in an arena or at a bar where they were in the minority.


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Post#46 » by VinBaker6 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:30 pm

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OhMyBosh wrote:It's never a bad thing to rid the league of bigots and racists. I hope they keep it going.


Its a terrible thing. This owner wasnt even racist. His topic had racial undertones but it wasnt racist. Even it were, it doesnt matter. Majority of the owners/high level execs are racist one way or the other. Are you going to get rid of everyone then?

Its just how life works. People are allowed to believe what they want. Its democracy and its capitalism. If someone says something in the privacy of there own home or in a personal email, they should not be punished because there privacy got violated.

It isnt only white people that are racist. I'm sure some black people are also racist but for some reason in todays society, you can only be a racist if your white. If your a minority, you can't be racist.


If I'm not mistaken he came forward to Silver with the email. His aim is clear.

Minorities are too busy getting **** on to be racist lol. White people are certainly benefitted vs minorities in some aspects of life. Just embrace it lol.

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Post#47 » by Scarface844 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:32 pm

VinBaker6 wrote:If I'm not mistaken he came forward to Silver with the email. His aim is clear.

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Thats the interesting part, check this.

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/508677744486395905[/tweet]
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Post#48 » by tdotrep2 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:35 pm

VinBaker6 wrote:
Scarface844 wrote:
OhMyBosh wrote:It's never a bad thing to rid the league of bigots and racists. I hope they keep it going.


Its a terrible thing. This owner wasnt even racist. His topic had racial undertones but it wasnt racist. Even it were, it doesnt matter. Majority of the owners/high level execs are racist one way or the other. Are you going to get rid of everyone then?

Its just how life works. People are allowed to believe what they want. Its democracy and its capitalism. If someone says something in the privacy of there own home or in a personal email, they should not be punished because there privacy got violated.

It isnt only white people that are racist. I'm sure some black people are also racist but for some reason in todays society, you can only be a racist if your white. If your a minority, you can't be racist.


If I'm not mistaken he came forward to Silver with the email. His aim is clear.

Minorities are too busy getting **** on to be racist lol. White people are certainly benefitted vs minorities in some aspects of life. Just embrace it lol.

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And that is?

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Post#49 » by VinBaker6 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:35 pm

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VinBaker6 wrote:If I'm not mistaken he came forward to Silver with the email. His aim is clear.

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Thats the interesting part, check this.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/508664000725254144[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/508677744486395905[/tweet]


As I said, clear intentions.



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Post#50 » by Scarface844 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:36 pm

VinBaker6 wrote:As I said, clear intentions.


I wouldnt rush to say that just yet. You got one high level executive saying he did not show NBA the email. The NBA claims he did show the email. Obviously this is deeper then we realize.
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Post#51 » by Schad » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:39 pm

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J Dilla wrote:exactly what i said as before, each and every owner thinks the same way as sterling.

the hip hop stuff is from another galaxy for these rich ass white old ass billionaires


YOU sound prejudiced. He has some racially biased stereotypes, but if you think this reaches even a 3 on the Donald Sterling scale of disrespect for African Americans, you're crazy. Sterling reached back into the 1950s by seeking to exclude blacks from his circle, by forbidding his mistress from associating them out of some uber-racist stereotypes about race and sex, i.e if she was bringing them to games, they'd end up banging her because she had some kind of jungle fever.

Levenson strikes me as well intentioned but expressing stereotypes that are detrimental to the league's image. He wrestles with a real problem, but in the manner of an outsider (He is not an Atlanta native, his background is Washington, DC). There is a strong racial divide today in the South (by which I include every part of the US below and along the Mason Dixon line, including places like St. Louis.) A white cop shoots a black male, and an incredible number of whites assume the cop's innocence. It's racism, because just maybe the cop effectively murdered the guy. Due process should cut both ways. Don't assume the innocence of a police officer, just as one should not assume the guilt of a police officer, until a full and fair trial is held.

You only have to look at the Hawks' attendance to know there is something wrong with the current setup, and that has been true for a long time. Racial mixing in the South is nothing like you would find in, say, New York. And the issues in Atlanta are complex. The arena is downtown, and at night, downtown Atlanta tends to empty out. The Georgia Dome is nearby, and Turner Field only a little bit further away, and yet the Braves are building a new stadium in the outer burbs - in another county! Why do you think they are doing that? I can assure you there are some very large parking lots in downtown Atlanta where you could build a new stadium - and the Falcons are building a new stadium right downtown - but of course, they plan mainly on Sunday afternoons, and only eight regular season games at that.

In Montreal, author Hugh McLennan coined the phrase the Two Solitudes to describe the often separate worlds of English and French, but I suggest it also applies to a city like Atlanta which is an uncomfortable blending of old and new South. Levenson stumbles into this debate inelegantly. How do you get crowds of all races and ethnicities to come to the arena? He does make whites sound like more valuable customers, and that's racist, but also makes a valid point that Thrasher fans – at least those who came – bought a lot more merchandise.

However, I suspect something else is at play, here. He's a majority owner who has always had a fractious relationship with his minority partners, and one of them may have leaked the email to force him to sell his share, or to sell the entire team. Wojnaroski is saying his sources claim the email wasn't self-reported to the league at all. The only people who would have been copied in on such an email would be senior operations officials, and perhaps his fractious partners.

Since the Clippers sale for $2 billion, there must be a few teams where owners are licking their chops at the idea of cashing out. In Atlanta's case, the minority owners might have had to find a way to force Levenson's hand.


Think you're right on all counts here. My reading is that he's primarily concerned about finding a way around the racism of the white fans...the types who don't want to be in a crowd filled with scary black people. Which isn't to say that his email is okay; he pretty much has to go, from a business perspective if nothing else, because he's successfully managed to paint the African American fans as cheap/poor, and the white fans as racist yokels who can only be enticed through the magic of country music.
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Post#52 » by VinBaker6 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:43 pm

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VinBaker6 wrote:As I said, clear intentions.


I wouldnt rush to say that just yet. You got one high level executive saying he did not show NBA the email. The NBA claims he did show the email. Obviously this is deeper then we realize.


Sure but this is such a reach. Its not even that bad, dude just wants to profit a ridiculous amount. Its too clear to me, I highly doubt Silver is snooping. Ousting Sterling wasn't really about eradicating racism anyway.

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Post#53 » by Scarface844 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:46 pm

VinBaker6 wrote:Sure but this is such a reach. Its not even that bad, dude just wants to profit a ridiculous amount. Its too clear to me, I highly doubt Silver is snooping. Ousting Sterling wasn't really about eradicating racism anyway.

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You're forgetting Donald Sterling promising to hire private detectives to find racist stuff on each owner that voted against him. This could be a situation where Sterlings detectives found the info and the NBA would rather not reveal that.

It could be a situation where the detectives told the Hawks owner to reveal the email himself or they'll do it. Who knows tbh. Maybe its simply about making money, maybe its deeper then that.
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Post#54 » by VinBaker6 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:48 pm

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VinBaker6 wrote:Sure but this is such a reach. Its not even that bad, dude just wants to profit a ridiculous amount. Its too clear to me, I highly doubt Silver is snooping. Ousting Sterling wasn't really about eradicating racism anyway.

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Your forgetting Donald Sterling promising to hire private detectives to find racist stuff on each owner that voted against him. This could be a situation where Sterlings detectives revealed the info and the NBA would rather not reveal that.

It could be a situation where the detectives told the Hawks owner to reveal the email himself or they'll do it. Who knows tbh. Maybe its simply about making money, maybe its deeper then that.


That could be true as well. Good point. If that's true, then #teamSterling.

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Post#55 » by godkingleonidas » Sun Sep 7, 2014 6:54 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:NBA owners everywhere are frantically deleting emails from 5 years ago right now...


He's going to get at least 2 billion for the team. Is it even worth that much? He probably leaked the email deliberately. It's like the Sopranos where they burned down the restaurant to get the insurance money.
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Post#56 » by Schad » Sun Sep 7, 2014 7:00 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:NBA owners everywhere are frantically deleting emails from 5 years ago right now...


He's going to get at least 2 billion for the team. Is it even worth that much? He probably leaked the email deliberately. It's like the Sopranos where they burned down the restaurant to get the insurance money.


He isn't going to get anywhere near $2b for the team...his majority share (which is north of 50%, but not sole ownership by any stretch) might be worth $300m, maybe a little more. The Clippers, for all of their historic Clipperyness, are in Los Angeles, and were bought for a massive premium because money was no object for Ballmer.
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Post#57 » by Kurtz » Sun Sep 7, 2014 7:03 pm

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Ahmed1212 wrote:So I only read the first half of this letter. It doesn't seem racist to me.

It just seems like he was trying to market to a different demographic?

Anyone else get this vibe or am I tripping?

I read the entire thing. There is minor bit where he mentions his theory that he feels whites would cheer louder but other than that I see no real evidence of racism.


I wonder if he's wrong there, though. From my experience at Raptors games, black guys just don't cheer, period. I'd say East and South Asian guys probably cheer the best.
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Post#58 » by VinBaker6 » Sun Sep 7, 2014 7:10 pm

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Ahmed1212 wrote:So I only read the first half of this letter. It doesn't seem racist to me.

It just seems like he was trying to market to a different demographic?

Anyone else get this vibe or am I tripping?

I read the entire thing. There is minor bit where he mentions his theory that he feels whites would cheer louder but other than that I see no real evidence of racism.


I wonder if he's wrong there, though. From my experience at Raptors games, black guys just don't cheer, period. I'd say East and South Asian guys probably cheer the best.


White guys in suits don't cheer much either.

Sikh dudes are by far the best. Still remember that one video they were giving it to VC in 07 with Cabbie. Superfan is Sikh too.

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Post#59 » by godkingleonidas » Sun Sep 7, 2014 7:11 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:He isn't going to get anywhere near $2b for the team...his majority share (which is north of 50%, but not sole ownership by any stretch) might be worth $300m, maybe a little more. The Clippers, for all of their historic Clipperyness, are in Los Angeles, and were bought for a massive premium because money was no object for Ballmer.


Fair enough. At the same time I think this situation will alienate the African American fan base. Moreover, white Hawks fans may/may not be seen as racist xenophobes so, whoever decides to buy Levensen's stake in the team is going to have their PR work cutout for them.
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Post#60 » by Kurtz » Sun Sep 7, 2014 7:24 pm

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nahom1319 wrote:I read the entire thing. There is minor bit where he mentions his theory that he feels whites would cheer louder but other than that I see no real evidence of racism.


I wonder if he's wrong there, though. From my experience at Raptors games, black guys just don't cheer, period. I'd say East and South Asian guys probably cheer the best.


White guys in suits don't cheer much either.



Very true - which is a big reason why Leaf crowds are worse than Raps crowds.
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