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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#21 » by kinghasnoequal » Tue Sep 9, 2014 1:57 am

Austincys21 wrote:1. Paul
2. Westbrook
3. Parker
4. Curry
5. Lillard
6. Rose
7. Dragic
8. Irving
9. Wall
10. Lowry


Wow Rose at six? You must think very lowly of Dragic/Irving/Wall/Lowry.
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#22 » by DemonLizard » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:09 am

mademan wrote:Paul
Westbrook
Curry
Parker
Lowry
Wall
Dragic
Kyrie
Lillard
Conley


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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#23 » by RSCD3_ » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:11 am

Is Parker really number 2

Id put him at a level under steph, Paul and Russell.

And then who knows




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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#24 » by day1086 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:12 am

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Bish wrote:
day1086 wrote:Lol @ curry 5th

1a. Paul
1b. Curry
3. Westbrook
4. Parker
5. Wall
6. Conley
7. Lillard
8. Kyrie

Is dragic considered a point? If so give him 5th

Curry being #2 is more of a joke than Curry being #5


Curry is at the very least Top 3, so I wouldn't say it's more of a joke. I can see the reasoning behind Curry being #2 (not that I fully agree with it):

Curry was better in the regular season and played far more games than Westbrook, but Westbrook played better in the playoffs. It evens out.


Curry faced an entire team defensive plan devoted to stopping him and him alone in the playoffs. People act like he was shut down when despite the defense he faced he still averaged 23 pts 8.5 assists on elite efficiency 60% TS.

Westbrook meanwhile played alongside the NBA MVP, and Curry still was far more efficient than westbrook in the playoffs. People talking about westbrook's ridiculous raw stats in the playoffs ignore the fact that he shot them out of as many games as he won them, and really was an inefficient chucker scoring the ball. Great rebounder though.

Playoff comparison:

23 pts 8.4 ast 3.6 rpg 3.8 TO on 60% TS

26.7 pts 8.1 ast 7.3 rpg 4.4 TO on 54% TS

The only area where Westbrook was better than curry in the playoffs was in rebounding. The fact that curry was so efficient despite facing a defense geared completely against him, while westbrook was inefficient playing alongside the NBA MVP speaks volumes IMO.

In the regular season Curry's 2014 season was much better than any of westbrook's healthy seasons.

24 pts 8.5 ast 4.3 rpg 3.8 TO on 61% TS and 47.2/42.4/88.5 shooting splits

21.8 pts 6.9 ast 5.7 rpg 3.8 TO on 54% TS and 43.7/31.8/82.6 shooting splits

People who put westbrook > curry just really overvalue athleticism, the numbers are pretty 1 sided. And Westbrook is not a vastly better impact defender than curry to make up for the obvious offensive gap. Not singling anyone out, it's a popular opinion
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#25 » by Duffman100 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:15 am

Paul
Westbrook
Curry
Parker
Dragic
Lowry
Wall
Lillard
Irving
Conley

I put Lillard and Irving low because you gotta play both sides of the ball.
Rose hasn't played in two years, he really can't be on the list.
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#26 » by Lamak » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:17 am

If Deron and Rose aren't in top the 10, neither is Rondo.
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#27 » by Boarder Patrol » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:19 am

Rondo, Irving, Dame too high.

1. CP3
2. Westbrook
3. Curry
4. Parker
5. Dragic
6. Wall
7. Conley
8. Lillard
9. Lowry
10. Irving
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#28 » by Duffman100 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:19 am

Lamak wrote:If Deron and Rose aren't in top the 10, neither is Rondo.


Rondo missed a year. Rose has missed 2.

Deron played and didn't look like a top 10 PG.

edit: Thought Rondo played more in 12/13.

Still, Deron is not a top 10 point guard anymore.
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#29 » by mademan » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:19 am

Duffman100 wrote:Paul
Westbrook
Curry
Parker
Dragic
Lowry
Rondo
Wall
Lillard
Irving

I put Lillard and Irving low because you gotta play both sides of the ball.
Rose hasn't played in two years, he really can't be on the list.


How do you put Rondo on the list but omit Rose? It's not like rondo lit the world on fire in his half season of play last year
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#30 » by Duffman100 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:21 am

mademan wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:Paul
Westbrook
Curry
Parker
Dragic
Lowry
Rondo
Wall
Lillard
Irving

I put Lillard and Irving low because you gotta play both sides of the ball.
Rose hasn't played in two years, he really can't be on the list.


How do you put Rondo on the list but omit Rose? It's not like rondo lit the world on fire in his half season of play last year


Oh crap, I didn't realize how many games Rondo missed the year before as well.

K, I'd remove Rondo, bump everyone up and put Conley as the 10th.
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#31 » by Dunham32 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:28 am

With Rose and Rondo omitted because of injury, I'd go with
1. Paul
2. Westbrook
3. Curry
4. Parker
5. Lillard
6. Wall
7. Lowry
8. Irving
9. Dragic
10. Conley
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#32 » by Loud_city » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:28 am

1 westbrook
2 paul
3 curry
4 Parker
5 wall
6 kyrie
7 dragic
8 lillard
9 rose
10 lowry
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#33 » by SlowPaced » Tue Sep 9, 2014 3:05 am

I won't write injury-depleted guys BEFORE I've seen them play fully healthy once again.

1. Paul
2. Westbrook
3. Curry
4. Rose
5. Parker
6. Lillard
7. Wall
8. Rondo
9. Dragic
10. Irving

Lowry, Lawson and Conley follow.
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#34 » by Def Swami » Tue Sep 9, 2014 3:25 am

As of last year, I'd have it at:
1. Paul
2. Westbrook
3. Curry
4. Parker
5. Lillard
6. Dragic
7. Wall
8. Irving
9. Lowry
10. Conley

You could put 1-3 in any order. Those guys were the clear top 3. I had Parker #1 in 2012-2013, but health hurt him last season. I'd also place Goran Dragic comfortably ahead of Wall and Irving.
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#35 » by lakersin4 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 3:34 am

Conley/Lowry/Lawson are in a 3 way tie for 10th on my list.. & a healthy Rose bumps them all out of the top 10. But that won't happen.
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#36 » by NashtyNas » Tue Sep 9, 2014 3:41 am

JDR720 wrote:In what world is Damian Lillard better than Steph Curry


My first thought.
Also don't rank Parker above Westbrook.
Westbrook is capable of guarding not only PG's but SG's very well.
Parker can't guard a sack of potatoes.
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#37 » by Austincys21 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 3:52 am

kinghasnoequal wrote:
Austincys21 wrote:1. Paul
2. Westbrook
3. Parker
4. Curry
5. Lillard
6. Rose
7. Dragic
8. Irving
9. Wall
10. Lowry


Wow Rose at six? You must think very lowly of Dragic/Irving/Wall/Lowry.



Just cause he was injured you have him out of the top 10 ? Might take him a bit to get back to his status but yeah he is better then them
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#38 » by hands11 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 3:54 am

bruh wrote:Lillard too high but the list is understandable with solid reasoning.


A PG list is hard to rate because of how there are different styles of PGs.

Breaking them down by USG and AST helps divide the list.

But I can follow the reasoning of this list as I can see how some would rank them differently

Giving Rondo the props he deserved from past play before injury is legit. Dude is average 9.8 assists last year in 33 minutes and a not so great team playing only 30 after returning from injury. FG% was down but that likely returns to his norm this year.

If Rondo actually gets traded, some team will be getting a real good player.
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#39 » by tayottt » Tue Sep 9, 2014 4:03 am

The list by Chris Bernucca is trash. The title of the article implies that the author is taking survey of the 2013-14 season and determining which 10 PGs played best. However, the list would indicate the author didn't even watch basketball last season. A few points:

1. Rajon Rondo should not be in the top ten! He was terrible offensively and struggled to maintain the defense he is known for post-injury. Put simply, Rondo wasn't good last season. When healthy and surrounded by a healthy KG/Pierce/Allen he has proven to be top 10 but we have yet to see what Rondo can do without deadly veteran weapons.

2. Tony Parker did not play like the 2nd best PG in the league last season. 13th ranked PG in RPM, 2nd best PG ON HIS OWN team by RPM, WP48, and WS48 (behind Mills). The only catch all measure that highly rates Parker is PER, but even based on that he is not top 5 at his position. This choice doesn't make much sense to me. It feels like playing the result because the Spurs won the championship.

3. Damian Lillard over Steph Curry. I can't rationalize how you can put Damian Lillard above Stephen Curry. All things being equal both are elite offensively and subpar on defense. However, Curry is all-time great in terms of his offensive output while Lillard is just solid. It doesn't help Lillard's case that Curry was also the better distributor, rebounder, and thief.

Kind of infuriating to read that list and the logic behind it. If I had to pick my top ten it would go:
1. Chris Paul
2. Stephen Curry
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Goran Dragic
5. Kyle Lowry
6. Mike Conley
7. John Wall
8.Ty Lawson (A very impressive season by synergy and conventional stats)
9. Damian Lillard
10. Kyrie Irving
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Re: SH: Top 10 PG rankings 

Post#40 » by drat456 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 5:07 am

Why do people keep ranking Westbrook over curry?? Curry is much more effcient player. Westbrook shot like 42% last year. Curry finished better from 3 and in the paint, better playmaker too

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