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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#341 » by carey » Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:55 am

My Big Fear, by Carey Adams

My big fear is that the Spurs take that gigantic amount of cap space next Summer and turn Goran Dragic into their new Ginobili. Lets hope McDonough is smarter than that.
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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#342 » by carey » Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:25 pm

norcalsuns wrote:Haven’t posted on here in a while but wanted to get in on the Bledsoe shenanigans. The team I’m surprised which isn’t being brought up more as a sign and trade destination is New York. They desperately NEED a PG and could use another scoring threat to take some of the load of Carmelo. I think there’s a deal to be made here so let me throw out an idea….

PHX IN: Stoudemire, Hardaway or Shumpert
NY IN: Bledsoe, Goodwin, possibly MIN protected 1st

I know people will roll their eyes at the thought of bringing back Amare but luckily he is a huge $20 million expiring contract. He might not be the explosive player he once was but STAT can still score the basketball at a very efficient rate and could provide solid veteran presence to our thinness at PF/C (if healthy). If he sucks then oh well, he comes off our books and creates a ton of cap space next summer

The main reason to do this deal though is to acquire a young player with upside like Hardaway or Shumpert. Personally I hope its Hardaway because I think he’d fit REALLY well in PHX. He’s already shown to be a solid outside shooter who can score in bunches and has prototypical 6’5 size and frame for SG. Our lineup would look like this:

PG: Dragic/Thomas/Ennis
SG: Green/Hardaway
SF: Tucker/Warren/Marcus Morris
PF: Markief Morris/Stoudemire
C: Plumlee/Len

Darn good rotation if you ask me.


You better attach some picks coming from New York if you want me to take on $20Million of Amaré. I think Shumpert failed to make any improvements in his game last year. I think people are still thinking of Shumpert as the guy that looked like he might become the next Bowen or better defensively. Maybe he still will one day, but did you know he shot under 40% from the field last year? (38%) That he also shot just 33% from 3? He'll be up for a contract at the end of the season and if we really want a long armed 2-guard that can defend lets stick with Archie Goodwin. He's still just a kid and has all the tools to be better than what Shumpert can be in my opinion.

I don't know enough about Hardaway to comment. It looks like he shot a little better than Iman in every category. Again, I think I'd rather roll with Archie and ask for future draft picks. Even if they don't get here until 2018. (I'm too tired this morning to go look up the Knicks draft pick situation which is assuredly dire like it always is.)
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Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues 

Post#343 » by Jdiddy701 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:30 pm

Best Bledsoe trade I heard yet with NY. I would welcome Amare back with open arms. Yes he's not the same but he is an upgrade and contract is up. I like it.

Some tweaks like taking out Archie would make it amazing.


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Post#344 » by carey » Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:22 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Best Bledsoe trade I heard yet with NY. I would welcome Amare back with open arms. Yes he's not the same but he is an upgrade and contract is up. I like it.


Current Markieff is better than current Amare.

He can barely get around Scola now.

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Post#345 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:51 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Best Bledsoe trade I heard yet with NY. I would welcome Amare back with open arms. Yes he's not the same but he is an upgrade and contract is up. I like it.

Some tweaks like taking out Archie would make it amazing.


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Amare as only a backup would be a decent pickup. But no way in hell would I trade Bledsoe let alone anything else for him. It would make sense to for a second rounder since NY is just trying to dump his contract anyway.

Honestly there isn't a player on NY that would help the suns. Shumpert is not a has been, he is a never was and Hardaway is ok but with IT, Hardaway is pointless.


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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#346 » by gaspar » Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:22 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/yugobasket/status/509661958115971072[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/509645034937790464[/tweet]
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Post#347 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:55 pm

gaspar wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/yugobasket/status/509661958115971072[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/509645034937790464[/tweet]

Is it me or has sports reporting turned into more of rumor spreading than it is actual reporting of facts?


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Post#348 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:45 pm

I hate free agency.
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Post#349 » by Nando88 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:53 pm

I think Goran knows this is his home away from Slovenia . I don't see him wanting to leave phx for another team, even to play with his brother. unless some kind of falling out with the team happens which i don't see happening either. He knows this is his team. He's done a hell of a job transitioning this team and city out of the Steve Nash era.




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Post#350 » by bwgood77 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:18 pm

norcalsuns wrote:Haven’t posted on here in a while but wanted to get in on the Bledsoe shenanigans. The team I’m surprised which isn’t being brought up more as a sign and trade destination is New York. They desperately NEED a PG and could use another scoring threat to take some of the load of Carmelo. I think there’s a deal to be made here so let me throw out an idea….

PHX IN: Stoudemire, Hardaway or Shumpert
NY IN: Bledsoe, Goodwin, possibly MIN protected 1st

I know people will roll their eyes at the thought of bringing back Amare but luckily he is a huge $20 million expiring contract. He might not be the explosive player he once was but STAT can still score the basketball at a very efficient rate and could provide solid veteran presence to our thinness at PF/C (if healthy). If he sucks then oh well, he comes off our books and creates a ton of cap space next summer

The main reason to do this deal though is to acquire a young player with upside like Hardaway or Shumpert. Personally I hope its Hardaway because I think he’d fit REALLY well in PHX. He’s already shown to be a solid outside shooter who can score in bunches and has prototypical 6’5 size and frame for SG. Our lineup would look like this:

PG: Dragic/Thomas/Ennis
SG: Green/Hardaway
SF: Tucker/Warren/Marcus Morris
PF: Markief Morris/Stoudemire
C: Plumlee/Len

Darn good rotation if you ask me.


Apparently Phil Jackson REALLY wanted Calderon and even traded Tyson Chandler to get him. Thinks he's perfect for the triangle, is a great passer and can knock down 3s at a high percentage.

So I don't think THEY think they desperately need a pg. Phil has always seemed to like point guards who can hit 3s, a big time primary scorer, and a good big to rebound, guard paint, finish, etc.

Edit: I guess this was pretty much already said.

As for NY doing the trade. It's a good deal for them if you just look at player value, but I doubt they want to pay Bledsoe the max anyway. They may not want another injury prone Sun who Phx doesn't want to pay the max...may scare them.

On top of that, Phil probably WANTS to use that space he gets once Amare expires to get that big that you guys were mentioning they don't have. Not a second pg.
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Post#351 » by bwgood77 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:25 pm

gaspar wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/yugobasket/status/509661958115971072[/tweet]


I'd be surprised, but if he did say that it's probably just in case an offer REALLY trumps what Phx is willing to pay. I doubt we'd let it get to that. Also, something like this coming out could be a bit of posturing just to let Phx know that they will need to pay him his market value, and I think Phx will.
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Post#352 » by enigmatics » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:32 pm

Those twitter runmors are BS. I was watching the broadcast of the US/Slovenia game yesterday and they specifically mentioned Dragic talking about how he wants to get a deal done in Phoenix. They said he considers it his other home, he likes what the're building, and as long as the contract offer is fair he'll sign it.

It honestly was a breath of fresh air and sneaky, sneaky PR for him given how bad Bledsoe and his camp look right now.
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Post#353 » by Fo-Real » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:51 pm

No way we would trade Bledso to N.Y. for Amare unless thier other pieces are destined to be sent to a third and or fourth team in the deal. Dont see us doing Shump or Hardaway.... and there is not a single chance in hot ass hell that we include either a pick or a player like Archie in anything that nets us Amare.
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Post#354 » by Ryu » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:51 pm

I like Goran Dragic a lot but I love Phoenix Suns first and foremost. If Gogi somehow leave we have Ennis, Goodwin and Bogdanovic, those guys are exciting prospects for the future, in my book.

Of course, McD should resign Dragic next summer, it goes w/o saying.
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Post#355 » by Rn5ho » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:04 pm

Goran's answer was (translated): "I have a very interesting situation with club. I'll probably break the contract and sign a new one. As I was discussing it with the club, during the 1st week of Free Agency, I'll sign this new contract and just stay calm". - This was sort of his answer to question whether he'll play for national team next year during the Eurobasket and seems like our media interpreted it as "I'll leave Phoenix" instead of what he actually meant, which is opt out and re-sign with Phoenix in the 1st week of Free Agency window.

TLDR: our media are spreading fake information.

source: http://www.kosarka.si/goran-dragic-zapusca-phoenix/
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Post#356 » by Puff » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:39 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:I hate free agency.


I said the same thing a couple of weeks back and got slammed.

It is hard to follow a team when you have so many new players every year. Even if a team does all the right things these players can end up wherever they want to end up, aka Bledsoe. I expect next summer could be worse than this summer. With Dragic, the Morris Twins and Green becoming free agents who will be on the roster next year. This year could be child's play.

I liked it when teams kept a core group of guys, like the Spurs have done, and built around them. They made trades and drafted well. I liked it that way.

I think we were all excited about last season and looking forward to this season. We thought signing Bledsoe was a given and expected that we would improve the roster with a big free agent signing and our draft picks. At this point I am not sure what to expect from this team. Thomas seems like a good signing but does anyone expect him to be better than Bledsoe? Where is the help in the front court we needed. We lost one of our better front court player, Channing Frye, to free agency.

When you think about it we have only signed one legit free agent in the past decade, Steve Nash. We would not have even signed him without Cuban deciding not to match.

I join you. I hate free agency as well.
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Post#357 » by Rn5ho » Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:04 pm

Puff wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:I hate free agency.

I join you. I hate free agency as well.


Well, Dragic is a piece that Phoenix can build around, he's not the youngest player around, but he'll stay as a top PG for quite afew years to come. Also PHO already has quite a few young pieces, who knows who's gonna show up this season? It's not as grim as it seems really. With the cap space availible, PHO just needs some luck to lure another star (or somehow convince Bledsoe to re-sign) and it's a good team for the future with some key players staying around to be "the image" of the team.
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Post#358 » by bwgood77 » Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:25 pm

Now a BSoTS article on Dragic leaving Phx.

Here is what I'm betting happened. Dragic, to his Nat'l team manager "I will opt out of my contract with Phx and sign a new contract" and the manager interpreted that to mean he's leaving Phx but just misunderstood.

This was pretty much what the poster a couple of posts above said. Of course a bunch of people reading BSoTS will probably freak out.
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Post#359 » by SunsFanSSOL » Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:54 pm

How quick we are to vilify Bledsoe, yet give Dragic the benefit of the doubt.
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Post#360 » by Zelaznyrules » Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:15 pm

SunsFanSSOL wrote:How quick we are to vilify Bledsoe, yet give Dragic the benefit of the doubt.


I've been giving them both the benefit of the doubt but if anyone has earned it, it's Goran. I think he'll stay in Phoenix as long as we treat him fairly.

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