2014 Off-season Thread

[NBAfan3024]

At 33 not sure how much you could get back for him as good as he played the last few years.

[QRich3]

Not a lot probably, that's why every deal proposed in here has us taking a bad contract and an average to decent wing in exchange for him and salary filler. That's how desperate we are, and probably the reason we haven't done any trade yet.

With his playing style, he'll propably be able to keep his current level for a few years still, and he's only guaranteed like a million this year and completely unguaranteed next year. Playoff teams with struggles on offense would still love to have him probably, a team like Memphis would kill to have Jamal. But yeah, he's probably not enough to bring back the two way athletic wing that we need.

[Wammy Giveaway]

But yeah, he's probably not enough to bring back the two way athletic wing that we need.

This is why I think, for the Clippers to get their dream wing, they will have to give up a lot. Here's a list of players that the teams will want in addition to Jamal Crawford and/or Jared Dudley:

- C.J. Wilcox ($1.1 million)
- Reggie Bullock ($1.2 million)
- Matt Barnes ($3.3 million)
- J.J. Redick ($6.7 million)
- DeAndre Jordan ($11.4 million)

I could definitely see teams requiring the Clips to include DJ just to get a discussion going, otherwise they are stuck with who they have. But there is a way to prevent this.

The Clippers have two trade exceptions, a Jamison worth $884,293 and a Mullens worth $947,907. Doc can pick up some training camp players, sign them into these exceptions, then have them wait until December 16 or after 60 days have passed, whichever is the longest, so that the trade exceptions can mature into non-restrictive assets. Whenever a player is signed into a trade exception contract, they can only be traded by himself; they cannot be used in packaged deals per CBA rules.

Someone suggested inviting Amath M'Baye to training camp, so here's the idea:

1. Sign M'Baye to the Mullens exception
2. Wait until the trade deadline so that the NBA recognizes him as a legal trade chip
3. Trade Crawford ($5.4 million) and M'Baye for a $6.3 million small forward or any two players that fit into $6.3 million

The combined value of both available exceptions approx. equals $1.8 million worth of two players. Add that to Crawford, and the value jumps to $7.2 million. I believe the 120% range applies here as well (you have to be 120% within the player's contract value to qualify... or something).

But yeah, the above method might be their only hope to keep DJ in a Clipper uniform.

[Ranma]

Dudley and a protected 2017 first-round pick was dealt to Milwaukee today for the salaries of the injured Carlos Delfino and Miroslav Raduljica as well as a future second-round pick.

This would probably go better on the trades thread, but since I'm here... I'm seeing Warriors fans complaining about Harrison Barnes everywhere in this forum, would it be possible for us to get him? maybe a package of Crawford and Barnes plus a sweetener (Wilcox or a pick) for Harrison and Speights? would they be interested? do we even want to do that? It'd be hard to accept that prick Speights in our team, and to watch Jamal and Matt playing for the enemy, but Harrison Barnes has all the tools of a SF with length that can develop into the good defender and shooter that we need so much.

I've always been a fan of Harrison Barnes, but given the animosity that both teams have for each other as well as the expectations of a high return for him, it is unlikely a deal will happen with the Clips. Golden State eschewed interest from other teams this off-season. He seems to have been distracted by the off-the-court ventures in taking for granted that he would have a smooth transition to the pro game, so I'd like to take a chance on him with both Griffin and Paul to show him what it takes to be a pro. He also seems to do well with a pass-first point guard based on the difference of his respective UNC performances with Larry Drew III and Kendall Marshall manning the position.

[Ranma]

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[Neddy]

oh god please, this guy over Chris Douglass whatever guy...... god knows we have enough SGs on the roster.

time to give that first chance at NBA to the next Matt Barnes or Tremaine Fowlkes out of the undrafted rooks or the developmental league.

[Forte IV]

People fail to realize CDR is 6'7 and payed SF last season in Charlotte.

[bulldogcharly]

I'll be pretty stoked if we get both Udoh and CDR. CDR impressed me last year in Charlotte. He played pretty poorly against the Heat, but who ever does well when they're matched up against Lebron? If he can bulk up a bit and learn from the vets on the team I think he'll be a serviceable SF for us. If not, we take a chance on Bullock who has a lot of potential too in my eyes.

[og15]

People fail to realize CDR is 6'7 and payed SF last season in Charlotte.

He's just a skinny SF, definitely can't handle any of the bigger guys at the position, but he's a good 3/D SF/SG based on last season.

[TheNewEra]

At this point ill take cdr and udoh or Brand

[QRich3]

Has anyone done the math on how much room we have left after stretching Delfino and buying out Raduljica? According to the wiretap Charlie Villanueva is deciding between the Mavs and us, but if we got Udoh and CDR, how do we have room for him?

[Ranma]

From what I understand, we have room to sign another player to the roster for a full 15 but at pretty much only the minimum. I think this is due to a loophole that Doc and the front office is exploiting in the CBA where they're able to stretch the guaranteed money from both the Delfino and Raduljica contracts over 5 years instead of 3. Supposedly, there is ambiguous wording in the current NBA collective bargaining agreement where it can be interpreted that the option years can be factored into the stretch provision equation even if the money slotted for such years is not included in the calculations. Doc & Co. apparently are pulling a fast one over the NBA before it closes that loophole, which I have to give props for.

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[Ranma]

Instead of the likes of Charlie Villanueva and even Hedo Turkoglu, I wish Doc would acquire Zoran Dragic or Joe Ingles. To be fair, Doc's staff may very well be exploring such international possibilities and, given the disadvantage of available cap space and Goran being on the Suns, such a task would prove difficult.

Still, the fact that we are committing roster spots to Charlie V. and Turkoglu already takes us out of consideration. Zoran should be as similarly productive in the NBA as his brother, Goran. It should be another Gasol situation (not counting the walk-on at UCLA).

Yeah, we're overloaded with SG-sized wings, but such an acquisition would allow us to deal Crawford and maybe even Redick for a legitimate starting small forward. Doc may be able to motivate the toolsy Villanueva to realize more of his potential as a productive bench player and maybe even as a SF option, but if presented with the option, I'd personally rather have a 13 that included Z. Dragic and Udoh over a 15 that included CDR, Udoh, Villanueva, and Turkoglu even if that meant dealing away Matt Barnes.

Alas, such a scenario is unrealistic on so many levels but it's a direction I would like the organization to pursue, nonetheless.

[Ranma]

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Apparently, Doc didn't offer him a guaranteed deal. In either case, I'm glad we didn't bring the loafer aboard.

[nickhx2]

agreed. glad to move on

[playaloc916]

Good, no point wasting a roster spot on him. Other than his 48 point outburst in his rookie season and his "fight" with Ryan Hollins, he has basically disappeared off the face of the earth. He comes off as a guy who just doesn't care. He wouldn't fit in with our current team.

[Ranma]

With the Suns as the odds-on favorite to land Zoran Dragic to team up with his brother, Goran, for this upcoming season, maybe there's still an outside chance the Clippers can get Australia's Joe Ingles with a minimum offer for the 15th and final roster spot on the roster. Ingles is generating interest from several clubs with his tournament play and has reportedly dreamt of breaking through to the the NBA.

Apparently, the Clippers expressed interest in him last off-season, so I hope Doc can sell him on a pitch with our need for a small forward and a now winning organization that will have plenty of national exposure to show his wares.


Marc Stein, ESPN (9/2/14)

Ingles impressed at the 2012 London Olympics as well but, at 26, is still waiting to make his NBA breakthrough. He played at Maccabi Tel Aviv last season for new Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt but is currently unattached after an underwhelming season in Israel.
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The Philadelphia 76ers, sources say, are indeed one of the handful of NBA teams pursuing Ingles, which is a natural given that Ingles' former national team coach -- Brett Brown -- is now the Sixers' coach. But one source briefed on Ingles' thinking said Tuesday that the 6-foot-8 perimeter specialist is unlikely to sign with Philly.

The Memphis Grizzlies are another team that has expressed interest in Ingles in the past. Ingles played at Barcelona with Grizzlies star center Marc Gasol, who is widely known to be one of Ingles' biggest fans.

Joe Ingles playing his way to NBA


Shams Charania, RealGM.com (7/3/13)

Australian free agent forward Joe Ingles is attracting interest from four teams – the Indiana Pacers, Milwaukee Bucks, Memphis Grizzlies and Los Angeles Clippers – that believe his defense and outside shooting could translate into the NBA next season, a league source told RealGM.

Joe Ingles Attracting Free Agent Interest From Pacers, Bucks, Grizzlies, Clippers

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[mttwlsn16]

im ready for the season to start already

[Sulingman]

I'm wondering why the Clips didn't make a play for Elton Brand, I thought he would be better for us than Udoh but never saw any rumors that the Clippers considered him. After the Udoh signing, there were rumors that the Clips were gonna try to sign Villanueva, which means they should have been able to fit in the 2 mil contract Brand signed.

[Neddy]

I'm wondering why the Clips didn't make a play for Elton Brand, I thought he would be better for us than Udoh but never saw any rumors that the Clippers considered him. After the Udoh signing, there were rumors that the Clips were gonna try to sign Villanueva, which means they should have been able to fit in the 2 mil contract Brand signed.

not really. even though the vets get more than just a million for their minimum contract, on the books it only counts as much as a rookie's minimum contract, around 870,000 i believe. adding those two "on the books" minimum contact is not exactly more than 2 million as Brand got. therefore for our capspace management Brand was outside of our plan from the get go.

besides, we have another undersized PF/C who's game is mostly around medium depth J in Baby Davis. we needed someone with athleticism to guard the rim and brand has not been that for some time now.