Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

carey · Post #441 » by **carey** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:10 pm

Nando88 wrote:Zoran to phoenix!
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/ ... c-with-his

Interesting. He seems to be another blue collar guy like Tucker. Will be curious to see how many minutes he gets. Is it looking more & more like Eric won't be around next year or is this just insurance?

Nando88 · Post #442 » by **Nando88** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:23 pm

Maybe Zoran will get some burn next to his brother the first few games that PJ is suspended. Blue collar player who defends and can score more ways than PJ.

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Sunsdeuce · Post #443 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:34 pm

Nando88 wrote:Maybe Zoran will get some burn next to his brother the first few games that PJ is suspended. Blue collar player who defends and can score more ways than PJ.

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So basically phase tucker out. Future/long term SF combo of warren and zoran. Awesome.

Everyone knows I am not a fan of tucker. So this is great news for me. Could use tucker as trade bait.

Perfect scenario (for me) trade Bledsoe and tucker and get some more assets.

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Nando88 · Post #444 » by **Nando88** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:39 pm

If zoran pans out and shows his potential I'd be perfectly fine dealing PJ. Plus zoran is younger.

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Fo-Real · Post #445 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:42 pm

Zoran is a sg who can play some sf.... If he comes in and beats out Archie... so be it. I can see a rotation of Goran, Green starting with Thomas, zoran off the bench. We can see who developers out of Archie and Zoran, I think Zoran is slightly ahead overall right now. The Suns wanted to develope Archie as a pg anyway.... right?

Superbone · Post #446 » by **Superbone** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:45 pm

Fo-Real wrote:The Suns wanted to develope Archie as a pg anyway.... right?

How else are we going to develop that five PG offense?

Sunsdeuce · Post #447 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:46 pm

Figured I would post the tweet where this came from.

@Falimguerra: Phoenix Suns and Zoran Dragic negotiate the signing of Unicaja player. Suns wants the two brothers in Arizona. Zoki must pay now 750.000€.

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Scutt · Post #448 » by **Scutt** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:48 pm

The Suns are going to have two sets of brothers, what a feel good story. Im going to have to buy some season tickets now...

Seriously, why can't the Suns just develop the players they have? Zoran is not a small forward, he is a shooting guard with a streaky shot and we have plenty of guards already.

Sunsdeuce · Post #449 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:52 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Zoran is a sg who can play some sf.... If he comes in and beats out Archie... so be it. I can see a rotation of Goran, Green starting with Thomas, zoran off the bench. We can see who developers out of Archie and Zoran, I think Zoran is slightly ahead overall right now. The Suns wanted to develope Archie as a pg anyway.... right?

Not that I know but something tells me that Archie will be gone (whether trade or free agency) before we all see his maturation. I think Archie is going to be very good but I also think he is about 3 years away from that.

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Scutt · Post #450 » by **Scutt** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:57 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Zoran is a sg who can play some sf.... If he comes in and beats out Archie... so be it. I can see a rotation of Goran, Green starting with Thomas, zoran off the bench. We can see who developers out of Archie and Zoran, I think Zoran is slightly ahead overall right now. The Suns wanted to develope Archie as a pg anyway.... right?

Well I would hope zoran is further along than Goodwin because he is like 5 years older. Zoran maybe more ready, but who has the higher ceiling? You really want to give up on a long athletic 20 year old, who has an undeniable skill of getting to the rim, for a 25 year old Zoran, who doesnt have one skill that he excels at. The Suns have no need for Zoran, except making Goran and casual fans happy.

jcsunsfan · Post #451 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:58 pm

I think this spells the end for Bledsoe more than anything.

I wonder if Bledsoe can work out which team he wants to go to, then sign the QO, and get the trade done afterwards, when his salary makes him easier to deal and another team more willing to give up assets.

Scutt · Post #452 » by **Scutt** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:04 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Zoran is a sg who can play some sf.... If he comes in and beats out Archie... so be it. I can see a rotation of Goran, Green starting with Thomas, zoran off the bench. We can see who developers out of Archie and Zoran, I think Zoran is slightly ahead overall right now. The Suns wanted to develope Archie as a pg anyway.... right?

Not that I know but something tells me that Archie will be gone (whether trade or free agency) before we all see his maturation. I think Archie is going to be very good but I also think he is about 3 years away from that.

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It is sad, but I have to agree. The Suns are more concerned with making the playoffs than they are the future and developing players, which doesn't bode well for Archie. Its a shame because he has a lot of potential, but I guess our front office likes bringing in ready guys like IT instead. I'm going to laugh in 4 years, when Goodwin is tearing it up somewhere, while the suns are still fighting for an 8th seed without a star.

JTrain · Post #453 » by **JTrain** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:09 pm

Saturday morning cartoon ideas:

Teej & Peej

Mook & Keef

Zoki & Gogi

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #454 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:10 pm

dgwdum wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
I wonder if the perspective of our front office isn't: OK, if Eric takes the QO, we retain a potentially valuable trade asset. If he takes $12 million, he's a valuable trade asset. If he takes more than that - $15 or $16 million, he might not be very movable. If he suffers further injury, he could be dead weight. So, offer $12. Either way, we possess a valuable asset. And with Isaiah and Tyler ready to take Eric's PT, we're not at a loss for talent to develop.

Let the chips fall where they may!!!

I think this is why bledsoe might not want to play here. He probably thinks the way you do, that the FO only sees him as a tradeable asset and not as part of the future.

No way. All sorts of reasons to think we wanted him long-term, and we've given every such indication. Just reacting to the situation now that we couldn't possibly expect Eric to re-sign here at the end of whichever contract he signs.

Revived · Post #455 » by **Revived** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:14 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Zoran is a sg who can play some sf.... If he comes in and beats out Archie... so be it. I can see a rotation of Goran, Green starting with Thomas, zoran off the bench. We can see who developers out of Archie and Zoran, I think Zoran is slightly ahead overall right now. The Suns wanted to develope Archie as a pg anyway.... right?

Not that I know but something tells me that Archie will be gone (whether trade or free agency) before we all see his maturation. I think Archie is going to be very good but I also think he is about 3 years away from that.

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Agreed. Goodwin is arguably the hardest worker on the Suns. I expect for him to explode when he leaves PHX and actually gets playing time.

Even his stats last year when he actually got 25 mins+ of playing time.

Sunsdeuce · Post #456 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:16 pm

Scutt wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Zoran is a sg who can play some sf.... If he comes in and beats out Archie... so be it. I can see a rotation of Goran, Green starting with Thomas, zoran off the bench. We can see who developers out of Archie and Zoran, I think Zoran is slightly ahead overall right now. The Suns wanted to develope Archie as a pg anyway.... right?

Not that I know but something tells me that Archie will be gone (whether trade or free agency) before we all see his maturation. I think Archie is going to be very good but I also think he is about 3 years away from that.

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It is sad, but I have to agree. The Suns are more concerned with making the playoffs than they are the future and developing players, which doesn't bode well for Archie. Its a shame because he has a lot of potential, but I guess our front office likes bringing in ready guys like IT instead. I'm going to laugh in 4 years, when Goodwin is tearing it up somewhere, while the suns are still fighting for an 8th seed without a star.

That's what I am saying. The suns desperately need an actual star. I love goran but his is more of a Manu for Duncan and in the suns scenario we have no Duncan. Bledsoe is easily replaced. PG ls one of the more easy positions to fill.

The suns have a plethora of quality role players but we need a star. And to get a star comes in one of two ways. Either you tank (philly,Cleveland) you trade (lakers, boston, Cleveland) for the star. You can't keep having a draft pick between 8-14 and think you are going to build a contender that way. That's why we are 5 years and counting with no playoffs. Like it or not we didn't make the playoffs and thats reality.

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Fo-Real · Post #457 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:37 pm

Scutt wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Zoran is a sg who can play some sf.... If he comes in and beats out Archie... so be it. I can see a rotation of Goran, Green starting with Thomas, zoran off the bench. We can see who developers out of Archie and Zoran, I think Zoran is slightly ahead overall right now. The Suns wanted to develope Archie as a pg anyway.... right?

Well I would hope zoran is further along than Goodwin because he is like 5 years older. Zoran maybe more ready, but who has the higher ceiling? You really want to give up on a long athletic 20 year old, who has an undeniable skill of getting to the rim, for a 25 year old Zoran, who doesnt have one skill that he excels at. The Suns have no need for Zoran, except making Goran and casual fans happy.

And that reason is good enough. Butts in the seats and gives you the inside track.... or only track to bring your number one guard back for the rest of his career. Archie was one of the last picks in the first round... a project. If someone is better than him now, and is possibly getting better (just like his brother did), you dont just hold out and hope they get better and ignore other opportunities. You bring taent in, see who wins playing time, keep developing the guys you still have under contract (Archie, Ennis) or trade them for other assets if the opportunity becomes available. We have no idea what the plans are for the player on this roster, maybe Archie and or Ennis is earmarked in an outgoing deal attached to Bledso?? Right now Archie has not shown such a high flash as to make him a core piece, as a matter of fact he soured some peoples opinions on his growh with he summerleague and his offseason arrest. I still personaly like his upside, but he has to earn time like everyone else, nothing should ever be given.

Saberestar · Post #458 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:37 pm

Nando88 wrote:Zoran to phoenix!
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/ ... c-with-his

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Yes,yes and YES!!!!!!!
:rockon:

Fo-Real · Post #459 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:42 pm

Cant wait to start seeing vids of our guys in voluntary workouts on the arenas practice court. More excited about seeing Warren and the improvement of Len than Archie really. I think Archie is farther away from contributing than either of those guys.

Nando88 · Post #460 » by **Nando88** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:48 pm

Anyone know if Alex's finger is all healed up?

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