ImageImage

Around the NBA 5.0

Moderators: BigSlam, yosemiteben, fatlever, JDR720, Diop

User avatar
Snidely FC
Head Coach
Posts: 6,355
And1: 3,635
Joined: Jan 19, 2011
Location: Asheville, NC

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1461 » by Snidely FC » Tue Sep 9, 2014 12:57 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:now this is bad. hard to tell what the conference call was like and whether Ferry just unluckily read something of a report that he didn't expect coming, but still... you should be able to switch up and not finish the sentence, right? especially if you're talking with several people on a business call.

"he has a little African in him. Not in a bad way, but he's like a guy who would have a nice store out front but sell you counterfeit stuff out of the back." Ferry completed the racial slur by describing the player (and impliedly, all persons of African descent) as a two-faced liar and cheat.

Yeah, Ferry's going down. Too bad, cuz I liked the job he was doing building SA-East; but including that chit instead of firing whoever wrote it was just stupid dumb.
User avatar
LamarMatic7
Hornets Forum High-End Journalist
Posts: 9,792
And1: 2,381
Joined: Jan 02, 2011
Location: Latvia
Contact:
   

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1462 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 1:17 pm

For the sake of the team and the franchise, I hope that Budenholzer has enough say to continue building SA-East. It would only benefit us as basketball watchers if he built a team that could emulate San Antonio's passing and three-point shooting style to some degree.
Image
User avatar
HornetJail
RealGM
Posts: 46,629
And1: 14,311
Joined: Feb 05, 2012
     

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1463 » by HornetJail » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:06 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:For the sake of the team and the franchise, I hope that Budenholzer has enough say to continue building SA-East. It would only benefit us as basketball watchers if he built a team that could emulate San Antonio's passing and three-point shooting style to some degree.

With a healthy Horford and more depth than they had last season, they are bound to be significantly better. Horford can pass, shoot, and defend, Millsap can pass, shoot, and defend, Korver can pass and shoot, and is alright defensively but it's okay because he's a top 5 shooter in the league, Teague can pass and shoot, and defend a little. All of their role players defend, and most of them can shoot. I'm definitely noticing a trend there.
investigate Adam Silver
LofJ
RealGM
Posts: 12,955
And1: 11,159
Joined: Mar 29, 2014
   

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1464 » by LofJ » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:35 pm

How do you guys think this mess will affect the Hawks' on-court performance this year?
User avatar
HornetJail
RealGM
Posts: 46,629
And1: 14,311
Joined: Feb 05, 2012
     

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1465 » by HornetJail » Tue Sep 9, 2014 4:51 pm

LofJ wrote:How do you guys think this mess will affect the Hawks' on-court performance this year?

None. The Sterling fiasco hardly affected the Clippers, which is why I called BS when there were rumors that Chris Paul and/or Doc Rivers were going to boycott. I think if you're a pro athlete, you really don't care what goes on behind the scenes once you're on the court and playing in front of 20,000 people. The game is still the same.
investigate Adam Silver
User avatar
LamarMatic7
Hornets Forum High-End Journalist
Posts: 9,792
And1: 2,381
Joined: Jan 02, 2011
Location: Latvia
Contact:
   

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1466 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Sep 9, 2014 8:17 pm

LofJ wrote:How do you guys think this mess will affect the Hawks' on-court performance this year?

At best, I think the players feel like they're going out on the court and playing for themselves and the coaching staff. There really isn't a relationship between them and folks from the FO, besides obvious examples like Larry Bird being a mentor to players or MJ being an icon and participating in our practices from time to time.

If I were Atlanta's ownership or Danny Ferry, I'd surely worry about the way players will now perceive him around the league and how it might affect talks in the next free agency. But at the end of the day the current Atlanta players play for themselves, not for Danny Ferry, even if they are hurt by his wrongdoings and it will affect their thoughts about staying there in the future.
Image
User avatar
Snidely FC
Head Coach
Posts: 6,355
And1: 3,635
Joined: Jan 19, 2011
Location: Asheville, NC

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1467 » by Snidely FC » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:52 am

Per TMZ Sports: "Multiple NBA sources tell us ... Dominique is 'extremely interested' in becoming the next owner of the Hawks -- and has already been pre-approved for ownership by the NBA."

Halftime Owner slam dunk competition anyone?
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqPRdzrjWpU[/youtube]
ps: 'Nique should totally bring back those "Pacman" Hawks unis from this video, freaking awesome.
User avatar
EwingSweatsALot
Veteran
Posts: 2,783
And1: 919
Joined: Jul 12, 2013
     

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1468 » by EwingSweatsALot » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:15 pm

Paul George snapped his leg in two and it's only about the 9th worst thing he's been involved in this year. He can't stop screwing up.
User avatar
HornetJail
RealGM
Posts: 46,629
And1: 14,311
Joined: Feb 05, 2012
     

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1469 » by HornetJail » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:25 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:Paul George snapped his leg in two and it's only about the 9th worst thing he's been involved in this year. He can't stop screwing up.

This dude is turning into a complete idiot :crazy:

He was always kind of overrated, but seriously he needs to shut up and get back to rehab or something
investigate Adam Silver
User avatar
Liver_Pooty
RealGM
Posts: 40,995
And1: 17,032
Joined: Dec 29, 2008
Location: Asheville, NC
   

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1470 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:51 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:Paul George snapped his leg in two and it's only about the 9th worst thing he's been involved in this year. He can't stop screwing up.

This dude is turning into a complete idiot :crazy:

He was always kind of overrated, but seriously he needs to shut up and get back to rehab or something


I'm honestly glad he snapped his leg after seeing such a stupid and idiotic tweet.

That might possibly be the dumbest, or one of the dumbest things I've ever seen a professional athlete say in regards to a serious subject.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
User avatar
Eoghan
RealGM
Posts: 11,315
And1: 3,293
Joined: May 20, 2009
         

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1471 » by Eoghan » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:33 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:Paul George snapped his leg in two and it's only about the 9th worst thing he's been involved in this year. He can't stop screwing up.

That's that Fresno St coming out in him. It is the same school where a player chased somebody with a samurai sword, after all.
User avatar
LamarMatic7
Hornets Forum High-End Journalist
Posts: 9,792
And1: 2,381
Joined: Jan 02, 2011
Location: Latvia
Contact:
   

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1472 » by LamarMatic7 » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:49 am

How about the recent developments in the Hawks scandal coverage?

Seems like you can almost say with certainty that the racist comment came from the Cavs organization, more precisely, from someone who was there before the FO shake-up (because of the source having knowledge about trade deadline negotiations). To me it also seems like you can finally understand what the hell that remark meant. Having read the other comments the Cavs representative said it seems like it's attributed to Deng not giving it his all while being with Cleveland (due to his disappointment in the team) and being more focused on his next contract.

That being said, it's not me taking the blame off Ferry. Woj had a great piece about that yesterday on Ferry never owning up to his mistakes:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/danny-ferr ... 56586.html
Image
User avatar
fatlever
Senior Mod - Hornets
Senior Mod - Hornets
Posts: 59,434
And1: 15,970
Joined: Jun 04, 2001
Location: Terrapin Station
     

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1473 » by fatlever » Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:57 pm

so how long until the scout who made the comments is outed?

to be safe, i think they should suspend the entire cavs organization, including players, for the next 3 years.
User avatar
JDR720
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 44,305
And1: 45,942
Joined: Jul 09, 2013
     

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1474 » by JDR720 » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:59 pm

fatlever wrote:so how long until the scout who made the comments is outed?

to be safe, i think they should suspend the entire cavs organization, including players, for the next 3 years.

Forced trade of LeBron as well, Gary Neal for LeBron straight up seems like a start
User avatar
TheKingofSting
RealGM
Posts: 17,830
And1: 2,165
Joined: Jun 24, 2011
       

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1475 » by TheKingofSting » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:00 am

I bet it was Grant.
President of the Quinn Cook Fan Club

Bradley Beal has D Wade potential
User avatar
JDR720
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 44,305
And1: 45,942
Joined: Jul 09, 2013
     

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1476 » by JDR720 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:51 pm

Sports Illustrated's Top 100 Players list is coming out http://www.si.com/nba/2014/top-100-nba- ... -2015-list

Hornets so far

Kemba: 94 which is ludicrous IMO
Lance: 73



Kemba's report

Walker's game oozes moxie. From every slick crossover to smooth fadeaway, the intrepid ball handler has the air of a player in complete control.

The only problem is that Walker doesn't perform in a way that would validate his confident approach yet. Everything he does is predicated on tough shot-making and dribble probing, both stylistically suited for a starring, ball-dominant role. For as many impressive plays as Walker makes with the ball, though, he isn't the kind of point guard who can really distinguish himself from his counterparts. Walker shot only 39.3 percent and finished with so-so assist marks last season on a Charlotte team that ranked 24th in offensive efficiency. His high scoring average isn’t enough to make him a standout, but the ninth pick in 2011 still has room to grow. -- R.M.


Lance's report

Implicit in these rankings is the degree to which a player can be trusted. That’s how Stephenson, a gutsy, two-way potential star, could be so far down this list.


Stephenson is a burgeoning creator, having stepped into his largest role yet with the Pacers last season. With that responsibility, however, came a fuller view of his shortcomings. He is volatile in both game and disposition; even if the loose-cannon personality type is set aside for a moment, Stephenson’s dribble-heavy style and bursts of flash over substance tend to cause problems.

Stephenson takes even the slightest opening in the defense as an invitation to drive headlong, often losing sight of the help defense and open teammates along the way. It’s no surprise, then, that Stephenson turned the ball over more often than all but four players at his usage level. His wild play also led to a ridiculous turnover rate (22.8 percent) in transition, which is generally a reliable source of hyper-efficient offense.

Last season offered a case study in the implications of Stephenson's play. In only his fourth season, the 2010 second-round pick was a borderline All-Star. He was also front and center in discussions of Indiana's "selfish" style and a key creator for an offense that bottomed out as the season progressed. We can't be too effusive in our praise of a player who played such an active part in an offense that ranked No. 29 after the All-Star break. Stephenson, for all his abilities (including strong, multipositional defense and absurdly productive rebounding), only seemed to perpetuate the Pacers' downward spiral.

Teams were right to be somewhat skeptical of him this summer, when comparable (or even lesser) players received far bigger contracts than Stephenson, whose three-year, $27.4 million deal with Charlotte includes a final-year team option. -- R.M.
User avatar
JDR720
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 44,305
And1: 45,942
Joined: Jul 09, 2013
     

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1477 » by JDR720 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:08 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/511576746878332929[/tweet]
User avatar
Liver_Pooty
RealGM
Posts: 40,995
And1: 17,032
Joined: Dec 29, 2008
Location: Asheville, NC
   

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1478 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:36 pm

JDR720 wrote:Sports Illustrated's Top 100 Players list is coming out http://www.si.com/nba/2014/top-100-nba- ... -2015-list

Hornets so far

Kemba: 94 which is ludicrous IMO
Lance: 73



Kemba's report

Walker's game oozes moxie. From every slick crossover to smooth fadeaway, the intrepid ball handler has the air of a player in complete control.

The only problem is that Walker doesn't perform in a way that would validate his confident approach yet. Everything he does is predicated on tough shot-making and dribble probing, both stylistically suited for a starring, ball-dominant role. For as many impressive plays as Walker makes with the ball, though, he isn't the kind of point guard who can really distinguish himself from his counterparts. Walker shot only 39.3 percent and finished with so-so assist marks last season on a Charlotte team that ranked 24th in offensive efficiency. His high scoring average isn’t enough to make him a standout, but the ninth pick in 2011 still has room to grow. -- R.M.


Lance's report

Implicit in these rankings is the degree to which a player can be trusted. That’s how Stephenson, a gutsy, two-way potential star, could be so far down this list.


Stephenson is a burgeoning creator, having stepped into his largest role yet with the Pacers last season. With that responsibility, however, came a fuller view of his shortcomings. He is volatile in both game and disposition; even if the loose-cannon personality type is set aside for a moment, Stephenson’s dribble-heavy style and bursts of flash over substance tend to cause problems.

Stephenson takes even the slightest opening in the defense as an invitation to drive headlong, often losing sight of the help defense and open teammates along the way. It’s no surprise, then, that Stephenson turned the ball over more often than all but four players at his usage level. His wild play also led to a ridiculous turnover rate (22.8 percent) in transition, which is generally a reliable source of hyper-efficient offense.

Last season offered a case study in the implications of Stephenson's play. In only his fourth season, the 2010 second-round pick was a borderline All-Star. He was also front and center in discussions of Indiana's "selfish" style and a key creator for an offense that bottomed out as the season progressed. We can't be too effusive in our praise of a player who played such an active part in an offense that ranked No. 29 after the All-Star break. Stephenson, for all his abilities (including strong, multipositional defense and absurdly productive rebounding), only seemed to perpetuate the Pacers' downward spiral.

Teams were right to be somewhat skeptical of him this summer, when comparable (or even lesser) players received far bigger contracts than Stephenson, whose three-year, $27.4 million deal with Charlotte includes a final-year team option. -- R.M.


I honestly don't disagree too much with what he said about Walker. He has to get that shooting better, period.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
User avatar
HornetJail
RealGM
Posts: 46,629
And1: 14,311
Joined: Feb 05, 2012
     

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1479 » by HornetJail » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:46 pm

I agree mostly with what they said. His efficiency leaves a lot to be desired.

That said, they ignored his defense and leadership and that has to count for something. Him, Isaiah Thomas and Jeff Teague are all ranked about 20-30 spots too low.

Ilyasova, Redick, Calderon, Rubio, Kirilenko, Nene, Gallinari (who hasn't played in 18 months), etc. are all ranked way too well.

Lance all the way down at 73 is pretty hilarious as well.
investigate Adam Silver
User avatar
HornetJail
RealGM
Posts: 46,629
And1: 14,311
Joined: Feb 05, 2012
     

Re: Around the NBA 5.0 

Post#1480 » by HornetJail » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:47 pm

JDR720 wrote:
fatlever wrote:so how long until the scout who made the comments is outed?

to be safe, i think they should suspend the entire cavs organization, including players, for the next 3 years.

Forced trade of LeBron as well, Gary Neal for LeBron straight up seems like a start

We don't have the cap space. Marvin Williams and Henderson would have to go as well.
investigate Adam Silver

Return to Charlotte Hornets