Cousins

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think RG III has more ability then Cousins, and he looked damn good to start the game, but he is sooooo fragile. I'm not really an RG III fan, as I can't stand overly religious athletes but I still think he has higher upside. I think the Jags defense would have been picked apart regardless of who finished the game. Not having to send double or triple teams against JJ Watt is big. I do think Cousins can be a playoff QB in this league tho. I don't know if he has as big as an arm as RG III but he makes very good decisions for the most part. I'd expect that from a QB who is about 1.5 years older then RG III.

As to Wall and DMC....eh I think by themselves they'd both lead mediocre talent to treadmill playoff status. I'll give a slight edge to DMC for now based on production, hard to find such productive big men in this league, although I don't care for him as a defensive anchor.

Hate to disappoint you but Kirk Cousins can quote Bible scripture from memory better than most who have finished seminary. He is a man of genuine, strong, Christian faith. He's like Billy Graham and Patton roled into one as a speaker.

I agree on Griffin having more ability, but I won't be shocked if he is traded down the line. Yes, because of the injuries.

That said I expect Cousins will succeed.

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I'm aware of that but he isn't like to that degree of it as RG III off the field, at least from w/e social media forums and interviews it doesn't come off that way to me. It is a bias of mine but definitely not a deal breaker at the end of the day. I just want the guy who will help us win a championship at the end of the day. I think RG III can be a superbowl QB, I think Cousins is a more sure thing for playoff appearances, not sold he has the upside as a superbowl QB, but I would love to be wrong.

The same kind of generalization probably applies to Wall and Cousins. I think if Cousins does put all together he can be a top 3-5 player. Even if Wall puts it all together, I'm not sure he can crack top 5. I like both players and will root for them in their futures regardless.

I want Wall reunited with Cousins on the Wizards.

Nene and two firsts won't get Demarcus, but would be a great trade for EG to offer.

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[Dat2U]

Gortat to Cousins would actually be a downgrade at C at this point. Our interior defense would take a huge hit

[dckingsfan]

Gortat to Cousins would actually be a downgrade at C at this point. Our interior defense would take a huge hit

I think Cousins would be an awesome PF next to Gortat though.

[Dat2U]

Gortat to Cousins would actually be a downgrade at C at this point. Our interior defense would take a huge hit

I think Cousins would be an awesome PF next to Gortat though.

I think spacing would be terrible for Wall/Beal to drive, you'd be only encouraging Cousins to jack up mid-range jumpers by pulling him further away from the basket, and I dont think he can defend PFs either. Cousins is not a PF.

[Induveca]

I saw Cousins play up close against Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. He's insanely strong and talented. For all the bashing he's received (character and inefficiency), all signs point to him becoming the best PF in the game within a few years.

He made a pretty big jump last year with plenty of room to improve. After the Team USA stint wouldn't shock me if he put up a 25/15 type of season.

[dckingsfan]

Gortat to Cousins would actually be a downgrade at C at this point. Our interior defense would take a huge hit

I think Cousins would be an awesome PF next to Gortat though.

I think spacing would be terrible for Wall/Beal to drive, you'd be only encouraging Cousins to jack up mid-range jumpers by pulling him further away from the basket, and I dont think he can defend PFs either. Cousins is not a PF.

First D: Cousins is much better defending PFs that Cs. His lateral movement is very good. He is also a really good defensive rebounder and terrific at making outlet passes. I believe Wall would thrive in the open court with Cousins igniting the break.

O: Cousins has pretty good range on his jumper and is a willing passer. I think he would clog up the lane much less than Nene, Humphries, Seraphin or Blair. Love of course would be a better pairing - but I think that ship has sailed.

I also think a Spencer Hawes or Ryan Anderson would be better as well. But I think that Cousins would thrive in the PF slot.

[Nivek]

I think Cousins is a good player who will get better, and I'd be happy to have him on the Wizards to watch him continue to improve. But, if the Wizards could get him, I think they'd be best off using him at center and trading Gortat for something else they need. A stretch PF would make sense. I could see swapping Gortat for Ryan Anderson, for example. New Orleans might go for that because it would free Davis to be a full-time PF.

Nenê and picks for Cousins. Gortat straight up for Anderson. Works for me.

[Ruzious]

Gortat to Cousins would actually be a downgrade at C at this point. Our interior defense would take a huge hit

I think Cousins would be an awesome PF next to Gortat though.

I didn't think we could get slower, but you proved me wrong.

[stevemcqueen1]

If we had the money, a three man big rotation between Gortat, Cousins, and a stretch 4 would make sense because Cousins is interchangeable at PF and C.

That's an expensive big man group though.

I think Cousins is going to end up being a good defensive player. His major weakness is fouling and it's essentially the source of all his problems on D. But it was a problem for Hibbert too and he eventually turned it around in a pretty big way. There is hope for Cousins yet.

[dckingsfan]

Gortat to Cousins would actually be a downgrade at C at this point. Our interior defense would take a huge hit

I think Cousins would be an awesome PF next to Gortat though.

I didn't think we could get slower, but you proved me wrong.

hehehe - Gortat/Cousins/Pierce = lightening quick

[Dat2U]

If Cousins is interchangeable at the 4/5 then so is every other C in the league. The guy is a C is through and through...and the absolute last thing that should be done is encouraging him to shoot jumpers by pushing him further away from the basket and crowding the paint with another legit C.

[dckingsfan]

If Cousins is interchangeable at the 4/5 then so is every other C in the league. The guy is a C is through and through...and the absolute last thing that should be done is encouraging him to shoot jumpers by pushing him further away from the basket and crowding the paint with another legit C.

Dat - that is my point - he is more a 4 than 5. But that is just one opinion.

[Dat2U]

If Cousins is interchangeable at the 4/5 then so is every other C in the league. The guy is a C is through and through...and the absolute last thing that should be done is encouraging him to shoot jumpers by pushing him further away from the basket and crowding the paint with another legit C.

Dat - that is my point - he is more a 4 than 5. But that is just one opinion.

Couldn't disagree more, not sure there's any thing that makes him a 4 other than the desire to see him there. If Cousins is a 4 then Pekovic is a 4, Jefferson a 4 etc anyone with an iota of skill.

[dckingsfan]

If Cousins is interchangeable at the 4/5 then so is every other C in the league. The guy is a C is through and through...and the absolute last thing that should be done is encouraging him to shoot jumpers by pushing him further away from the basket and crowding the paint with another legit C.

Dat - that is my point - he is more a 4 than 5. But that is just one opinion.

Couldn't disagree more, not sure there's any thing that makes him a 4 other than the desire to see him there. If Cousins is a 4 then Pekovic is a 4, Jefferson a 4 etc anyone with an iota of skill.

OK, good to agree to disagree.

I think he is a better defender on PFs than on Cs. Many times when Thompson was playing alongside Cousins, Thompson would defend the C position and I though Cousins did a good job defending PFs.

Offensively you may have a point - but since he never played next to a true C we don't know. He did do pretty well when playing with Patterson and Williams (stretch 4s).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Gortat to Cousins would actually be a downgrade at C at this point. Our interior defense would take a huge hit

In the PER-based ESPN Trade Machine, Nene for Cousins improves the Wizards a whopping 8 games.

A 56-win Wizards team would give Chicago and Cleveland all they want. Washington could be an NBA Finals contender with Demarcus.

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[Dat2U]

Dat - that is my point - he is more a 4 than 5. But that is just one opinion.

Couldn't disagree more, not sure there's any thing that makes him a 4 other than the desire to see him there. If Cousins is a 4 then Pekovic is a 4, Jefferson a 4 etc anyone with an iota of skill.

OK, good to agree to disagree.

I think he is a better defender on PFs than on Cs. Many times when Thompson was playing alongside Cousins, Thompson would defend the C position and I though Cousins did a good job defending PFs.

Offensively you may have a point - but since he never played next to a true C we don't know. He did do pretty well when playing with Patterson and Williams (stretch 4s).

Defensively you could probably get by with him at PF. Offensively it would be a disaster. We don't really need to see Cousins next to a true C to know how it would work, it's basic common sense. Put any C next to Cousins and you've effectively made him a jump shooter, which is probably what he wants but something he's woeffully inefficient at. Just because someone can shoot jumpers doesn't mean you want them shooting jumpers. Cousins is a terrific low post player but putting him with another C basically crowds his room to operate in the post.

[Dat2U]

Gortat to Cousins would actually be a downgrade at C at this point. Our interior defense would take a huge hit

In the PER-based ESPN Trade Machine, Nene for Cousins improves the Wizards a whopping 8 games.

A 56-win Wizards team would give Chicago and Cleveland all they want. Washington could be an NBA Finals contender with Demarcus.

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Using a PER-based stat tells me nothing because it's a flawed measurement. PER certainly has it's usefulness as a production measurment tool, but determining wins isn't one of them.

[dckingsfan]

Couldn't disagree more, not sure there's any thing that makes him a 4 other than the desire to see him there. If Cousins is a 4 then Pekovic is a 4, Jefferson a 4 etc anyone with an iota of skill.

OK, good to agree to disagree.

I think he is a better defender on PFs than on Cs. Many times when Thompson was playing alongside Cousins, Thompson would defend the C position and I though Cousins did a good job defending PFs.

Offensively you may have a point - but since he never played next to a true C we don't know. He did do pretty well when playing with Patterson and Williams (stretch 4s).

Defensively you could probably get by with him at PF. Offensively it would be a disaster. We don't really need to see Cousins next to a true C to know how it would work, it's basic common sense. Put any C next to Cousins and you've effectively made him a jump shooter, which is probably what he wants but something he's woeffully inefficient at. Just because someone can shoot jumpers doesn't mean you want them shooting jumpers. Cousins is a terrific low post player but putting him with another C basically crowds his room to operate in the post.

From watching Cousins game, I don't think that is the case. He is much more of a slasher that likes to start on the high post. Even last year they almost never dumped the ball to him on the low post. So, we get to disagree on that one.

[Nivek]

Gortat to Cousins would actually be a downgrade at C at this point. Our interior defense would take a huge hit

In the PER-based ESPN Trade Machine, Nene for Cousins improves the Wizards a whopping 8 games.

A 56-win Wizards team would give Chicago and Cleveland all they want. Washington could be an NBA Finals contender with Demarcus.

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Using a PER-based stat tells me nothing because it's a flawed measurement. PER certainly has it's usefulness as a production measurment tool, but determining wins isn't one of them.

PER

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slightly more than nothing

say it again now...

Big question when thinking about how many wins a player adds vs. another player is minutes. Last season, in my kWins stat, Cousins was worth about 8.8 wins vs. Nenê's 3.3. But, Cousins also played 738 more minutes than Nenê. Odds are that Cousins will play significantly more minutes than Nenê each season that Nenê remains in the league. And, Cousins likely has another decade -- probably 25,000 more minutes -- where Nenê probably has another 3,000 to 5,000 minutes to offer. And, Cousins is already more productive, and likely to improve.

[Dat2U]

According to snyergy numbers back in late March (sorry I don't have a current subscription), Cousins posted up 30% of the time & was used in the P&R roll man 18% of the time. He ISO'd only 8% of the time. However even in ISO situations, you need space to operate... throw a big C down low in Cousins' way and suddenly those post ups, P&Rs & ISOs are tougher to execute because the lane is now crowded.