OT: The WWE Thread

jonny31623 · Post #2061 » by **jonny31623** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:01 pm

poeman wrote:What a fantastic documentary from Bret Hart "Wrestling with Shadows"...Thanks Wolv for the recommendation.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOJcFns1IMA[/youtube]

Really is my favorite wrestler as a kid...A pro's pro, he should have always been face. Turning him heel screwed him when the Attitude era hit. Because Shawn Michaels was the ultimate bad guy for WWF.

Vince screwed Bret...Love how Bret wore a wire in this interview with Vince a hour before his match with Shawn.

his story is on wwe network right now. its part of the wwe wcw monday night war saga.

asuran · Post #2062 » by **asuran** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:27 am

Back at the time. WWE was really having a lot of troubles, losing in the ratings war with WCW.
WCW was stealing/signing WWE's superstars at the peak of their game.
Vince McMahon didn't want, and for valid reasons, to lose another one of his top guys to the WCW.
Vince, in a way, tarnished Brett's legacy and credibility before his move to the WCW.

Brett Hart is my all-time favourite wrestler and I would've believe in him relinquishing his belt honorably the next night.
But if he did that WCW definitely will incorporate that in their storyline a la "we stole another reigning champion from WWE and they can do no s*** about it".

It's a dick move but Vince had to do something about it for his company's sake.
It would've been better had Brett lost his belt a week or two before that Montreal night, that could've been a great farewell night instead of the screwjob.

keyindabox · Post #2063 » by **keyindabox** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:15 am

Why in the blue hell did RAW end with Mark Henry and Rusev? I love Sexual Chocolate and all, but that was beyond weak, ESPECIALLY the last RAW before a PPV.

Meat · Post #2064 » by **Meat** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:33 am

keyindabox wrote:Why in the blue hell did RAW end with Mark Henry and Rusev? I love Sexual Chocolate and all, but that was beyond weak, ESPECIALLY the last RAW before a PPV.

monday night football

Quadruple H · Post #2065 » by **Quadruple H** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:48 pm

keyindabox wrote:Why in the blue hell did RAW end with Mark Henry and Rusev? I love Sexual Chocolate and all, but that was beyond weak, ESPECIALLY the last RAW before a PPV.

He said the g*ddamn pledge of allegiance too. Unacceptable

Heat3 · Post #2066 » by **Heat3** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:53 pm

Kobe System wrote:
xTheHunterx wrote:Raw needs to go back to 2 hours.

3 hours is nonsense. It just gets filled with long mediocre matches.

Can we limit Raw with 1 Diva match per episode? That Naomi and Cameron match was AWFUL! Waste of time.

I watch raw and smackdown on hulu, they're only 1.5hrs long there. I've been wondering what type of matches they show in the parts they cut out :lol:

Trav_NYK · Post #2067 » by **Trav_NYK** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:57 pm

keyindabox wrote:Why in the blue hell did RAW end with Mark Henry and Rusev? I love Sexual Chocolate and all, but that was beyond weak, ESPECIALLY the last RAW before a PPV.

I was thinking the same thing, but my brother told me that they did it on purpose because of Monday night football. They saved the Lesnar vs Cena segment for the time when Monday night football goes to halftime. So I guess there really is a method to their madness.

and just to point out, I use my brother as a source a lot haha the only reason why is because he is a die hard fan of the WWE and he always is reading up on all the latest news in the WWE, so I trust what he says most of the time.

IMAN5 · Post #2068 » by **IMAN5** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:09 pm

apparently Rusev might feud with Cena and Henry may be fed to Lesnar. That might be another reason they both closed out the show.

Trav_NYK · Post #2069 » by **Trav_NYK** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:43 pm

IMAN5 wrote:apparently Rusev might feud with Cena and Henry may be fed to Lesnar. That might be another reason they both closed out the show.

That would be cool for Cena to end Rusev's streak, but Henry vs Lesnar does not interest me at all. It may be smart to put Cena against Rusev so that he can have the American hero thing going for him, it would help him get cheers from the crowd. Or it'll just make all the Cena haters cheer for Rusev lol

IMAN5 · Post #2070 » by **IMAN5** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:33 pm

Trav_NYK wrote:
IMAN5 wrote:apparently Rusev might feud with Cena and Henry may be fed to Lesnar. That might be another reason they both closed out the show.

That would be cool for Cena to end Rusev's streak, but Henry vs Lesnar does not interest me at all. It may be smart to put Cena against Rusev so that he can have the American hero thing going for him, it would help him get cheers from the crowd. Or it'll just make all the Cena haters cheer for Rusev lol

Rusev is still undefeated? I thought he had lost at least once.

I don't like Henry vs Lesnar either. I don't like the Big Show option as well. But there are literally no options and this is VKM's fault.

wolfv · Post #2071 » by **wolfv** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:12 pm

WWE has screwed themselves by pushing Cena for 10 years while ignoring everything else. A wrestling company needs a face character the entire crowd loves and they don't have one

jonny31623 · Post #2072 » by **jonny31623** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:25 pm

wolfv wrote:WWE has screwed themselves by pushing Cena for 10 years while ignoring everything else. A wrestling company needs a face character the entire crowd loves and they don't have one

they had cm punk.... but they blew that

Fury · Post #2073 » by **Fury** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:37 pm

Daniel Bryan was that guy but got hurt. Either way, one guy in ten years isn't good.

Bill Pidto · Post #2074 » by **Bill Pidto** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:47 pm

wolfv wrote:WWE has screwed themselves by pushing Cena for 10 years while ignoring everything else. A wrestling company needs a face character the entire crowd loves and they don't have one

Agreed. It's really frustrating as a fan. They have a lot of talent too- guys with potential to be stars. But they always seem to be on this crusade to prove people wrong and spit in the face of the outspoken, older fans who try to influence the product and let the company know what they want to see and what they don't. Back in the day.. they used to listen. Now, with no viable competition, it's more like.. stop watching if you don't like it. They've even said that on TV. It's pretty arrogant.

Just read a few reports about Raw's ratings continuing to dip. Even though I think the product has gotten a lot better over the last year and a half, and I've been watching it much more than I have since I stopped watching in the early 2000s, I hope they continue to fail and are forced to make a big change. I don't know who's at fault, but whoever is holding the product down, whether it's Vince or someone close to him giving him bad advice, that person needs to step aside and hand the keys to someone with the energy and creativity to make the product fresh again. I'm inclined to believe HHH can be that guy, but maybe I'm wrong and he's part of the problem too. All I know is- WWE needs a makeover.

Trav_NYK · Post #2075 » by **Trav_NYK** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:53 pm

Bill Pidto wrote:
wolfv wrote:WWE has screwed themselves by pushing Cena for 10 years while ignoring everything else. A wrestling company needs a face character the entire crowd loves and they don't have one

Agreed. It's really frustrating as a fan. They have a lot of talent too- guys with potential to be stars. But they always seem to be on this crusade to prove people wrong and spit in the face of the outspoken, older fans who try to influence the product and let the company know what they want to see and what they don't. Back in the day.. they used to listen. Now, with no viable competition, it's more like.. stop watching if you don't like it. They've even said that on TV. It's pretty arrogant.

Just read a few reports about Raw's ratings continuing to dip. Even though I think the product has gotten a lot better over the last year and a half, and I've been watching it much more than I have since I stopped watching in the early 2000s, I hope they continue to fail and are forced to make a big change. I don't know who's at fault, but whoever is holding the product down, whether it's Vince or someone close to him giving him bad advice, that person needs to step aside and hand the keys to someone with the energy and creativity to make the product fresh again. I'm inclined to believe HHH can be that guy, but maybe I'm wrong and he's part of the problem too. All I know is- WWE needs a makeover.

I believe in Triple H right now; he seems to be getting the right superstars as of late and bringing them to NXT, hopefully those superstars in NXT will do well once they come to the main roster. Im really hoping that Rollins and Ambrose can step out into the spot light even more than now. I can see them as the next top superstars to move forward with. Im not including Reigns because obviously WWE creative is already pushing him.

Kobe System · Post #2076 » by **Kobe System** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:57 am

Waiting On Network -- if you know what I mean. :banghead:

Trav_NYK · Post #2077 » by **Trav_NYK** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:48 pm

Did anyone watch Hideo Itami's debut match on NXT? I thought he was pretty cool to watch, a little messy but im sure that was because it was his first match. I hope that wasn't his finisher though because it wasn't that cool lol And im pretty sure that is one of Cesaro's regular moves that he does.

Baron Corbin though is pretty beasty lol his finisher is awesome; but id like to see him try that on the big show lol and his gimmick is sorta corny ( showing no emotion and just smirking here and there ) .

Meat · Post #2078 » by **Meat** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:10 pm

Trav_NYK wrote:Did anyone watch Hideo Itami's debut match on NXT? I thought he was pretty cool to watch, a little messy but im sure that was because it was his first match. I hope that wasn't his finisher though because it wasn't that cool lol And im pretty sure that is one of Cesaro's regular moves that he does.

Baron Corbin though is pretty beasty lol his finisher is awesome; but id like to see him try that on the big show lol and his gimmick is sorta corny ( showing no emotion and just smirking here and there ) .

well his other 3 finishers are "taken" DB does the knee plus and the game over(yes lock) and cm punk used the GTS(kenta invented the gts).

poeman · Post #2079 » by **poeman** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:46 pm

Meat wrote:
Trav_NYK wrote:Did anyone watch Hideo Itami's debut match on NXT? I thought he was pretty cool to watch, a little messy but im sure that was because it was his first match. I hope that wasn't his finisher though because it wasn't that cool lol And im pretty sure that is one of Cesaro's regular moves that he does.

Baron Corbin though is pretty beasty lol his finisher is awesome; but id like to see him try that on the big show lol and his gimmick is sorta corny ( showing no emotion and just smirking here and there ) .

well his other 3 finishers are "taken" DB does the knee plus and the game over(yes lock) and cm punk used the GTS(kenta invented the gts).

Whoever invented the GTS should have the GTS...At least as his second finisher.

I saw it and he is quite good...He will be a great heel

Here are some fight moments of Itami

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt6pyJ8rnuA[/youtube]

Post #2080 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:51 pm

kingquan316 wrote:
Meat wrote:
poeman wrote:
I forwarded that garbage...what went wrong there?

she screamed at the ref to count like 3x... when Naomi laying face down

Cameron is a straight clown, and every time i see her i cringe. She doesn't know **** about wrestling, and she is an embarrassment to watch. I remember she was on tough enough and Stone Cold asked her what was the greatest Diva match she ever watched, and she mention some Alicia Fox match. I can't take her seriously since then.

Cameron wouldn't still be in the WWE if not for 2 things - the Diva's show on E and being Naomi's now former tag-team partner. Once the feud with Naomi is done, I can't see them having a use for her.

I'm a huge Bret Hart fan, but I think his in-ring performances were overrated - and it's like the pink elephant in the middle of the room to say that. 90% of his matches were completely identical. What made him great was the packaging and his charisma working together - along with him being a very consistent technical wrestler.