Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[Nando88]

If this is true I expect the suns to get this bledsoe crap done and over with before media day to avoid even more bledsoe crap

Give me pek and lavine!!!


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[Sunsdeuce]

If this is true I expect the suns to get this bledsoe crap done and over with before media day to avoid even more bledsoe crap

Give me pek and lavine!!!


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I would be happy with that package.


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[BurningHeart]

I went to school with LaVine's agent in middle school. Wish I still talked to him. Could have gotten more info.

[GOGI_4_MVP]

Do you guys think there is any chance the suns just turn around and up their offer to 4/63?

[aIvin adams]

happy for Bledsoe if this is true

and sorry for all of the fans who were certain that Rich Paul was an idiot (if this is true)

and hopeful that the Suns can get some goodies in a S&T (if this is true)


but i'd be OK w matching the max tbh (if this is true)

[Sunsdeuce]

@JonBloom: Contrary to many tweets I'm reading...

Truth = the only way the T-wolves can offer Bledsoe the max $$$ is thru a sign & trade


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[aIvin adams]

Do you guys think there is any chance the suns just turn around and up their offer to 4/63?

if this is true, then..


at least one NBA team thinks Bledsoe on a max is a desirable asset.

so yah, there's a chance. if he's an asset at that price, then keep him. Ryan knows whats up. whatever he decides is correct, because all the other GMs know he's the best GM. so if he says Bledsoe is an asset, he is.

[suns91fan]

FO already said they will match any offer (including a max one). Unless the Wolves are willing to deal Wiggins, then i don't see why the Suns would do any S&T.

[Kilo]

What about Rubio to PHX as part of S&T? He wants a max deal and isn't going to get one in Minnesota now. Have to imagine the Spaniard would like the desert better than the Minnesota tundra and could drop his contract demands a bit.

[JDLAW]

I have not done the math, but Minnesota at $71M would need to move almost $15M in salary to make this work. It is my understanding the 150% rule does not apply if the resultant trade sends you over the tax threshold. This will involve taking on multiple players - most of which have little value or would be very hard to move off our roster if we acquired them. I really do not view Pek as being an option and do not view Rubio and his demands as someone the Suns would want.

What is left is guys like Young, Brewer Buddinger, Barea, Bennet - this is all worthless junk that will clog up the roster.

This sounds like Bledsoe's people have gotten Minnesota to bite on a max deal if a S&T can be worked out to put pressure on the Suns.

[Fo-Real]

We aren't getting Lavine and definitely not Wiggins unless we are adding value to any deal..... lots of value!!

[Kerrsed]

The whole idea of teams not offering Bledsoe a max contract because we said we would match is bulls**t. Teams have said that in the past and other teams have been quick to offer up a deal just to get the original team to match and be stuck financially. It happened to Portland a few seasons ago and plenty other times since. Wouldnt teams like the Lakers (if they had the cap space) be perfectly fine offering Bledsoe a max deal if they knew we would match rather than not offer and us getting him on a much better contract like we could/should have? Its not that they were scared that we would match, as that makes no sense, it that they were scared we WOULDNT match and they would be stuck with Bledsoe on a max contract, knowing he isnt worth it due to injury concerns and not even playing a full year as a starter in the 5 years he has been in the league.

As for the Timberwolves rumor, i would go after Lavine & Shabazz and have them remove the protection from their 2015 pick that we own. It doesnt add up money wise, but thats because i would also link in the trade chatter that was released a few days ago about Chicago wanting Martin and willing to give up Gibson/Dunleavy/Snell. Make it a 3 way with us getting Gibson/Lavine/Shabazz, Wolves getting Bledsoe/Dunleavy/Snell, and the Bulls getting Martin.

Thomas/Lavine/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Shabazz/Morris
Gibson/McMorris/Toliver
MkMorris/Plumlee/Len

[bwgood77]

I haven't seen one post that discusses why Bledsoe should have the basic amount of respect for the Suns.

The Suns traded for him and made him a centerpiece of their Cinderella campaign this past offseason. I don't give two **** what Bledsoe thinks he's worth, he wouldn't even be sniffing a $48 million contract had the Suns not started him for the half the year.

It's called **** loyalty. Understanding where you came from and why you're in the position you're in. Bledsoe is in this position because of (a) Ryan McD trading for him, (b) Hornacek developing a custom-built offense around two PGs, (3) Dragic having an incredible year and taking the offensive focus off of Bledsoe entirely, and (4) Sarver offering $12m (subsequently setting his "floor" in the marketplace) and openly admitting that he's willing to negotiate.

That's four reasons to realize that the world doesn't revolve around you. Further, had he been stuck on the roster behind CP3, there's no way he's even sniffing $12m.

Loyalty HAS to count for something.

And I have a feeling if he had been the sole point guard of a team, he would have struggled. When he was and Dragic sat, we had a negative pt differential, no matter the lineup. Dragic without Bledsoe had a slight positive pt differential.

[GOGI_4_MVP]

FO already said they will match any offer (including a max one). Unless the Wolves are willing to deal Wiggins, then i don't see why the Suns would do any S&T.

That's what I was thinking as well. I know he isn't technically signing an offer sheet that we can just outright match but if they did really tell him to go find a max offer and we will match then why not just turn around and offer him the 4/63. Still better than a 5 year deal and with the new tv deal in two years even with him on a "max" deal it will still be a great contract providing he stays healthy and is still producing at an all star level. I honestly think he just cares about the money, so if Phoenix offers him the same money why not stay with the team that he knows is a playoff contender with his services rather than going to a rebuilding Minnesota team? Just my thinking

[Kerrsed]

What about Rubio to PHX as part of S&T? He wants a max deal and isn't going to get one in Minnesota now. Have to imagine the Spaniard would like the desert better than the Minnesota tundra and could drop his contract demands a bit.

No.

No. no no no NO!

Bledsoe >>>>>>>>> Rubio.

If were wernt willing to give Bledsoe a max deal, why would we give Rubio an even larger max contract?

[rottenbanana36]

The whole idea of teams not offering Bledsoe a max contract because we said we would match is bulls**t. Teams have said that in the past and other teams have been quick to offer up a deal just to get the original team to match and be stuck financially. It happened to Portland a few seasons ago and plenty other times since. Wouldnt teams like the Lakers (if they had the cap space) be perfectly fine offering Bledsoe a max deal if they knew we would match rather than not offer and us getting him on a much better contract like we could/should have? Its not that they were scared that we would match, as that makes no sense, it that they were scared we WOULDNT match and they would be stuck with Bledsoe on a max contract, knowing he isnt worth it due to injury concerns and not even playing a full year as a starter in the 5 years he has been in the league.

As for the Timberwolves rumor, i would go after Lavine & Shabazz and have them remove the protection from their 2015 pick that we own. It doesnt add up money wise, but thats because i would also link in the trade chatter that was released a few days ago about Chicago wanting Martin and willing to give up Gibson/Dunleavy/Snell. Make it a 3 way with us getting Gibson/Lavine/Shabazz, Wolves getting Bledsoe/Dunleavy/Snell, and the Bulls getting Martin.

Thomas/Lavine/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Shabazz/Morris
Gibson/McMorris/Toliver
MkMorris/Plumlee/Len

This would be an awesome deal and make the team so much deeper.. I doubt we'd be able to pull it off without sending some kind of value to the bulls as well though

[garycarnivals]

Suns aren't getting Lavine or Wiggins. Period.

The deal would likely be centered around Pekovic and/or Kevin Martin + filler

[ShawnBronald]

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[MathiasPW]

As far as I understand, this offer can't even be considered, given that Wolves are above the cap already. Say the suns just say "go ahead" and ask for nothing in return, Wolves would have to make huge salary dumps in order for it to work.

So more rabbits have to come off the hat. I also think a 3-team-trade is on the works, where Martin (the biggest contract for lowest production in the Wolves roster) goes somewhere else. Curious to see what comes back to us.

[Fo-Real]

PLEASE NO RUBIO!!!!