Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

Devilzsidewalk · Post #881 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:18 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:@Gambo987: Look their is nothing to this Bledsoe to the TWolves. Minny wants to dump bad contracts on Phx - Not Happening.

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in other words, Martin/Pekovic or Barea/Pekovic

phrazbit · Post #882 » by **phrazbit** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:19 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:in other words, Martin/Pekovic or Barea/Pekovic

Don't leave out Brewer! The Wolves have no shortage of crappy contracts.

Sunsdeuce · Post #883 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:21 pm

Lol, this great. Is it possible to be excited about the upcoming season while at the same time dreading it?

Thanks a lot Bledsoe. Your a real stand up guy!!!

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RaisingArizona · Post #884 » by **RaisingArizona** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:29 pm

Come on, Minny!

SunsFanSSOL · Post #885 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:30 pm

Hopefully, Minnesota pawns off Martin or Budinger to some team for nothing and gets the cap space to sign Bledsoe to an offer-sheet and we match.

phrazbit · Post #886 » by **phrazbit** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:34 pm

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Hopefully, Minnesota pawns off Martin or Budinger to some team for nothing and gets the cap space to sign Bledsoe to an offer-sheet and we match.

They'd have to dig deeper than that. They're 10 mil over the cap, they'd have to shed like 23 million to offer Bledsoe the max.

HurricaneKid · Post #887 » by **HurricaneKid** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:44 pm

Yeah the Bucks would be more likely to do that. They would only have to dump one smallish contract to do it. But why would they dump a guy to sign a deal that would probably get matched anyways?

If Rich Paul is still demanding a 5 yr max he is out of line. But if the Suns haven't at least come up to 4/56 or something they are running some big risks themselves. An angry Bledsoe could blow next season out of the water Melo style. I didn't get why the Wiz gave Wall that mega deal prematurely but there is a lot to be said for keeping your stars happy.

Son of Ra · Post #888 » by **Son of Ra** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:47 pm

I'd take all the bad contracts that it would need to make it work for Wiggins and maybe un-protecting their 1st.

ShawnBronald · Post #889 » by **ShawnBronald** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:57 pm

Son of Ra wrote:I'd take all the bad contracts that it would need to make it work for Wiggins and maybe un-protecting their 1st.

Same, but it doesn't sound like they're offering that. They seem to believe we'll just take their garbage and be happy about it. :crazy:

SSOL · Post #890 » by **SSOL** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:58 pm

Wiggins or nothing.

HurricaneKid · Post #891 » by **HurricaneKid** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:06 pm

I would wager this was just a ploy for RiPaul to attach a max deal to Bledsoe. I do think Minnesota would be happy to have him at the max. But they were never going to give up a compelling package AND pay him that much. And there is the rub. Pho is playing hardball in a league that few FOs ever play hardball.

Christine-In-AZ · Post #892 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:09 pm

JDLAW wrote:I said it before and will say it again. This is leakage by Bledsoe's camp trying to gain an avenue to avoid the Hobson's choice Bledsoe is facing. Months ago when Love was first being discussed, the Suns were reluctant to include Bledsoe in trade talks. At the start of the free agency season, the Suns and T-Wolves discussed a Love trade in which Bledsoe was part of a S&T. Bledsoe and his people wanted no part of Minnesota.

Now it comes up again where Bledsoe is willing to play for Minnesota on a max deal for a sign and trade and it is being reported by LaCava and the puppet master Lebron's press secretary Windhorst.

Get the picture, desperation is setting in and this is Rich Paul's distorted negotiation techniques.

EDIT- Mark Temini who is Rich Paul's "negotiator" is also Flip Saunders' agent. Need more be said?

"Hobson's Choice" ...I love it!

Good sleuthing with the Termini-Saunders connection. Kudos.

So I'm clear on your suspicions..

Do you believe this "T-Wolves would accept Bledsoe at max" is a complete sham? Saunders saying "go ahead, float it" as a favor to his agent. Then leaked only as device in PHX-Bled talks?

Or

Yes. Bledsoe would (perhaps reluctantly) agree to go to Minnesota at the max, and Saunder would actually pull the trigger, but only in crazy good deal such as- Martin/Buddinger/Barrea/Small lowering of the 1st rd protection for '15 or '16 in exchange? With Saunders pretty much knowing McD/Babby would almost surely not agreeing to it.

SSOL · Post #893 » by **SSOL** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:29 pm

Also, it's becoming clear that Woj and Gambo are the only people the FO give stories to.

Saberestar · Post #894 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:53 pm

I would make Lavine/Dieng/Pick and a filler for Bledsoe if he does not want to play here.
Or make him a $66/5 years offer if he really wants to play here but is only a hard negotiation by Rich Paul.
The problem is that we don't really know what Bledsoe thinks about nothing. :banghead:

JDLAW · Post #895 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:54 pm

ChrisInAZ wrote:
JDLAW wrote:I said it before and will say it again. This is leakage by Bledsoe's camp trying to gain an avenue to avoid the Hobson's choice Bledsoe is facing. Months ago when Love was first being discussed, the Suns were reluctant to include Bledsoe in trade talks. At the start of the free agency season, the Suns and T-Wolves discussed a Love trade in which Bledsoe was part of a S&T. Bledsoe and his people wanted no part of Minnesota.

Now it comes up again where Bledsoe is willing to play for Minnesota on a max deal for a sign and trade and it is being reported by LaCava and the puppet master Lebron's press secretary Windhorst.

Get the picture, desperation is setting in and this is Rich Paul's distorted negotiation techniques.

EDIT- Mark Temini who is Rich Paul's "negotiator" is also Flip Saunders' agent. Need more be said?

"Hobson's Choice" ...I love it!

Good sleuthing with the Termini-Saunders connection. Kudos.

So I'm clear on your suspicions..

Do you believe this "T-Wolves would accept Bledsoe at max" is a complete sham? Saunders saying "go ahead, float it" as a favor to his agent. Then leaked only as device in PHX-Bled talks?

Or

Yes. Bledsoe would (perhaps reluctantly) agree to go to Minnesota at the max, and Saunder would actually pull the trigger, but only in crazy good deal such as- Martin/Buddinger/Barrea/Small lowering of the 1st rd protection for '15 or '16 in exchange? With Saunders pretty much knowing McD/Babby would almost surely not agreeing to it.

I think Saunders is legitimately interested in Bledsoe especially if he can dump off bad players/contracts in exchange. Who would not to acquire Beldsoe for the likes of Buddinger, Barea, Pek, Brewer or whatever other garbage they want to throw into the pot.

I see this more as a favor to his agent Termini and by association Paul, to jack with the Suns and get them to capitulate to Paul's demands.

Fo-Real · Post #896 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:55 pm

TASTIC wrote:
The Timberwolves are showing a willingness to offer Bledsoe a four-year, $63 million maximum contract in a sign-and-trade, but only if they could dump undesirable contracts onto the Suns, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

So we lose a dynamic potential All Star PG and acquire contracts that the team signing him doesn't want?

Makes total sense.

I have done nothing wrong sir. LOL :lol:

RunDogGun · Post #897 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:56 pm

This is getting dumber by the minute. There could be two fold to this nonsense. Minny could also be trying to play hardball with Rubio negotiations.

But man I'm tired of this Paul clown. :crazy:

So glad Ryan is our gm. :nod:

And what is with that wiretap article? The Wolves can't make that offer. :crazy:

Saberestar · Post #898 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:59 pm

JDLAW wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:
JDLAW wrote:I said it before and will say it again. This is leakage by Bledsoe's camp trying to gain an avenue to avoid the Hobson's choice Bledsoe is facing. Months ago when Love was first being discussed, the Suns were reluctant to include Bledsoe in trade talks. At the start of the free agency season, the Suns and T-Wolves discussed a Love trade in which Bledsoe was part of a S&T. Bledsoe and his people wanted no part of Minnesota.

Now it comes up again where Bledsoe is willing to play for Minnesota on a max deal for a sign and trade and it is being reported by LaCava and the puppet master Lebron's press secretary Windhorst.

Get the picture, desperation is setting in and this is Rich Paul's distorted negotiation techniques.

EDIT- Mark Temini who is Rich Paul's "negotiator" is also Flip Saunders' agent. Need more be said?

"Hobson's Choice" ...I love it!

Good sleuthing with the Termini-Saunders connection. Kudos.

So I'm clear on your suspicions..

Do you believe this "T-Wolves would accept Bledsoe at max" is a complete sham? Saunders saying "go ahead, float it" as a favor to his agent. Then leaked only as device in PHX-Bled talks?

Or

Yes. Bledsoe would (perhaps reluctantly) agree to go to Minnesota at the max, and Saunder would actually pull the trigger, but only in crazy good deal such as- Martin/Buddinger/Barrea/Small lowering of the 1st rd protection for '15 or '16 in exchange? With Saunders pretty much knowing McD/Babby would almost surely not agreeing to it.

I think Saunders is legitimately interested in Bledsoe especially if he can dump off bad players/contracts in exchange. Who would not to acquire Beldsoe for the likes of Buddinger, Barea, Pek, Brewer or whatever other garbage they want to throw into the pot.

I see this more as a favor to his agent Termini and by association Paul, to jack with the Suns and get them to capitulate to Paul's demands.

Yes, I think the same.
They have a ton of "bad" contracts, so in reality the wouldn't spend too much money on Bledsoe's deal.
I don't like Rubio, Martin or Pekovic.None of them are starters for a playoff team in my opinion.

I think that Young is a good player and Dieng is a really good C, if we make finally a trade he should be a must. Lavine have real upside on him, it would be great to get him too.

BobbieL · Post #899 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:02 am

Pretty obvious

Rich Paul is trying to save face and blame the Suns:

"You see everybody. There is a team that WILL pay Eric Bledsoe the Max. But because the Suns Rejected all sign and trade options - Eric will be subjected to playing for the Qualifyinig Offer. My client has proven his a max player but the Suns are not willing to pay him his value.

Narrative
Bull Crap

Persoally unless Wiggins is involed - Minnesota has garbage

JDLAW · Post #900 » by **JDLAW** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:11 am

BobbieL wrote:Pretty obvious

Rich Paul is trying to save face and blame the Suns:

"You see everybody. There is a team that WILL pay Eric Bledsoe the Max. But because the Suns Rejected all sign and trade options - Eric will be subjected to playing for the Qualifyinig Offer. My client has proven his a max player but the Suns are not willing to pay him his value.

Narrative
Bull Crap

Persoally unless Wiggins is involed - Minnesota has garbage

Rich Paul and his cabal of "agents" could not have been more idiotic and incompetent in this. The worst part is that he oversold Bledsoe on his value, instead of doing the hard work of being an agent. What he needed to do was to have Bledsoe embrace the Suns and fans and seek the fans on the notion that Bledsoe is the key to the playoffs next season and the future. He then needed to get his behind out and stir up a market - these are not incompatible if done correctly. This whole idea of sitting at LeBron's feet and pulling stunts like this is appalling for a a person that wants to call himself an agent. This and the other leaks make him look like a Buffoon.