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Re: Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continu 

Post#1001 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:53 am

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Zelaznyrules wrote:Why all the Lavine love? Odds are he's a few years away from being an NBA punchline.

Not a fan of Lavine but he's super athletic and could turn out to be a decent player.


Absolutely. He's an incredible athlete. But how often does someone have such an up and down one year college career and then go on to stardom? Goodwin is a long shot but at least he has a strong work ethic and the desire to try and do what his coaches tell him to do. Lavine is all about Lavine. Maybe he makes it but it's the big MAYBE. That kind of player is nice as a throw in to a trade but not as the centerpiece.

Unfortunately with the rest of the crap on their roster (minus Wiggins), he's probably the centerpiece by default.
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Post#1002 » by Christine-In-AZ » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:11 am

I keep hearing (reading) on and off again, from many of you, a?...a? A distrust? A troubling distrust because EB did not articulate any desire to stay here (with the Suns)...telling us fans (somehow) he did very much want to be a continuing and major cog in this building Suns resurgence.

Ok! I eh? Sorta get your thinking...that distrustful attitude given Eric's silence, but I'll bet if Eric had said this in his April exit interview...

"It was a really great year. We fell a bit short, but I love Phoenix...it's where I want to stay and I truly hope I can be a part of a great Suns future in the years to come...I want to bring a title here! I'm very hopeful that we can quickly reach an agreement on a new contract."

(Then later that afternoon, Bledsoe is at the ground breaking for a new youth atheletic facility in south Phoenix. Eric smiles to camera, shovel in hand. It is broadcast locally.)

After the above, everything happens exactly the same as we've seen/heard/not heard in June ...July...August...and Now.

My suspicion, is that almost everyone who is now coloring Bledsoe's silence as proof of "lack of love" or "he clearly doesn't want to be here" would be calling his Suns-positive exit interview and community involvement photo op "two-faced", "bullsh**", "manipulative campaigning". "He's just a lying sack of sh*t!"...."to hell with him."

No matter what EB said, did, didn't say, smiled or frowned, you'd have spun it to your "needs" given the Klutch strategy.



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Post#1003 » by BurningHeart » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:39 am

Actions speak louder than exit interviews.

Listen. The lack of action on his end except for whining about how the Suns are "using the rules against him" and all this garbage means the onus is on him to prove that he's not what he and his agent are NOT what they're showing us they are.

Simple as that.

He and his agent think he's hot ****' **** and deserves 30 million dollars more than what he's being offered? Well hey guy, you can never stay healthy and you were barely on the **** team and a guy who is much, much, much more likable and loyal than you dominated all season and almost led us to the playoffs basically on his own, so suck on those nuts.

It is plainly obvious that Eric Bledsoe is, at this point, the prototypical "2014 Athlete" and I want none of that bull. Let him go to some big city or go blow the nuts of some superstar in a sidekick role or whatever the **** he wants. I could always tell this guy was like this, which is why I wasn't too crazy about getting him in the first place. Often not a fan of what the internet cultists nut over so badly. What else can you expect from some punk bitch who was around Chris Paul and Blake Griffin---two of the biggest whiny, weepy vaginas of ALL-time---playing in LA----the most bitchmade city in the entire country----for the start of his career?

The guy has so much work to do to improve his game and all we've seen is this garbage from him all summer.

Wish he'd take a page out of JJ Watt's playbook. I'm so proud to root for that guy in football. Guy signs a 100 million dollar extension and comes in immediately after signing it and gets to the stadium at 4am to work out. Wish he'd take a page out of Goran Dragic's playbook. Guy got traded, comes back for less money because he loves it here and he recognizes what Phoenix means to him in his life, and then goes out there and dominates, and then says he'll opt out and quickly resign.

THAT'S the type of dedication and love I want from players playing in Phoenix. I don't want that mercenary, soulless, boring, predictable, manufactured, inmates-run-the-asylum garbage with cancerous, primadonna bull I see with teams and players all around the league. Sorry if that doesn't fit your vision.
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Post#1004 » by SlovenianDragon » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:44 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:I keep hearing (reading) on and off again, from many of you, a?...a? A distrust? A troubling distrust because EB did not articulate any desire to stay here (with the Suns)...telling us fans (somehow) he did very much want to be a continuing and major cog in this building Suns resurgence.

Ok! I eh? Sorta get your thinking...that distrustful attitude given Eric's silence, but I'll bet if Eric had said this in his April exit interview...

"It was a really great year. We fell a bit short, but I love Phoenix...it's where I want to stay and I truly hope I can be a part of a great Suns future in the years to come...I want to bring a title here! I'm very hopeful that we can quickly reach an agreement on a new contract."

(Then later that afternoon, Bledsoe is at the ground breaking for a new youth atheletic facility in south Phoenix. Eric smiles to camera, shovel in hand. It is broadcast locally.)

After the above, everything happens exactly the same as we've seen/heard/not heard in June ...July...August...and Now.

My suspicion, is that almost everyone who is now coloring Bledsoe's silence as proof of "lack of love" or "he clearly doesn't want to be here" would be calling his Suns-positive exit interview and community involvement photo op "two-faced", "bullsh**", "manipulative campaigning". "He's just a lying sack of sh*t!"...."to hell with him."

No matter what EB said, did, didn't say, smiled or frowned, you'd have spun it to your "needs" given the Klutch strategy.



...Fox news...


Eric Bledsoe hasn't even been in phoenix since the end of the season... I would say he doesn't like it here.

I think that shows more than some exit interview from a guy seeking the max. He will go to what ever team gives him the max. If phoenix gave him the max he would be here. Of course giving him the max would be insane.

And whatever team gives him the max he will say he loves it there. AKA his paychecks.
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Post#1005 » by kingstyyyle » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:47 am

He's the ONLY Sun not working out in Phoenix right now. What does he have to do for it to be OK to be upset? F all of our moms?
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Post#1006 » by SlovenianDragon » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:08 am

Hey Bledsoe Ive finally decided you deserve the max...
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Post#1007 » by Revived » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:24 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:I keep hearing (reading) on and off again, from many of you, a?...a? A distrust? A troubling distrust because EB did not articulate any desire to stay here (with the Suns)...telling us fans (somehow) he did very much want to be a continuing and major cog in this building Suns resurgence.

Ok! I eh? Sorta get your thinking...that distrustful attitude given Eric's silence, but I'll bet if Eric had said this in his April exit interview...

"It was a really great year. We fell a bit short, but I love Phoenix...it's where I want to stay and I truly hope I can be a part of a great Suns future in the years to come...I want to bring a title here! I'm very hopeful that we can quickly reach an agreement on a new contract."

(Then later that afternoon, Bledsoe is at the ground breaking for a new youth atheletic facility in south Phoenix. Eric smiles to camera, shovel in hand. It is broadcast locally.)

After the above, everything happens exactly the same as we've seen/heard/not heard in June ...July...August...and Now.

My suspicion, is that almost everyone who is now coloring Bledsoe's silence as proof of "lack of love" or "he clearly doesn't want to be here" would be calling his Suns-positive exit interview and community involvement photo op "two-faced", "bullsh**", "manipulative campaigning". "He's just a lying sack of sh*t!"...."to hell with him."

No matter what EB said, did, didn't say, smiled or frowned, you'd have spun it to your "needs" given the Klutch strategy.



...Fox news...

Thank you brother, you nailed it so well. The fans take this s**t way too emotional. Realize that this is a business, not a family. There's no emotions on the business side.

In Harden's last season in OKC, he said he loved OKC, best city in the world, promised to f**k every b**ch in the area, promised to visit every strip club in Oklahoma, bring a title to OKC, work hard, love the fans and all this junk that their stupid and emotional fans wanted to hear and...........


......

...........

He didn't take ANY discount and gave Presti the middle finger when it came down to money resulting in him getting traded to Houston.

Harden isn't the first to do this either.

Bottom line here kids, players can act really nice and say all the things you want to hear and STILL LEAVE.
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Post#1008 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:37 am

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Oy vey. You'd need a trailer to cow tow. It's kowtow or really kau tau.

As for the larger point, if Bledsoe is on the team, at any contract, he'll play. He may not start if he's on a one year deal, but he'll play & probably play relatively big minutes.


Thank you Captain Obvious, and it's koutou (4th tone, 2nd tone) as well, in Mandarin...I was trying to put it in some type of form of "English", hence the quotes, so those that aren't familiar with the phrase, or Chinese-Canton or Chinese-Mandarin, would figure out what I was saying. So sorry I didn't use the proper spelling...I thought I was on a Suns forum, not a grammar and spelling forum.

And while it appears moot now, (if we S&T Bledsoe) I still contend they would bring him in off the bench. Yes, he may play a lot of minutes, but doubt he would start.


"Kau-tau" is the cantonese phonetic. Koutou's correct in Mandarin.


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Post#1009 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:39 am

SlovenianDragon wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:I keep hearing (reading) on and off again, from many of you, a?...a? A distrust? A troubling distrust because EB did not articulate any desire to stay here (with the Suns)...telling us fans (somehow) he did very much want to be a continuing and major cog in this building Suns resurgence.

Ok! I eh? Sorta get your thinking...that distrustful attitude given Eric's silence, but I'll bet if Eric had said this in his April exit interview...

"It was a really great year. We fell a bit short, but I love Phoenix...it's where I want to stay and I truly hope I can be a part of a great Suns future in the years to come...I want to bring a title here! I'm very hopeful that we can quickly reach an agreement on a new contract."

(Then later that afternoon, Bledsoe is at the ground breaking for a new youth atheletic facility in south Phoenix. Eric smiles to camera, shovel in hand. It is broadcast locally.)

After the above, everything happens exactly the same as we've seen/heard/not heard in June ...July...August...and Now.

My suspicion, is that almost everyone who is now coloring Bledsoe's silence as proof of "lack of love" or "he clearly doesn't want to be here" would be calling his Suns-positive exit interview and community involvement photo op "two-faced", "bullsh**", "manipulative campaigning". "He's just a lying sack of sh*t!"...."to hell with him."

No matter what EB said, did, didn't say, smiled or frowned, you'd have spun it to your "needs" given the Klutch strategy.



...Fox news...


Eric Bledsoe hasn't even been in phoenix since the end of the season... I would say he doesn't like it here.

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Post#1010 » by DirtyDez » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:44 am

kingstyyyle wrote:He's the ONLY Sun not working out in Phoenix right now. What does he have to do for it to be OK to be upset? F all of our moms?


He IS NOT a Sun. The players who are working out are UNDER CONTRACT.

C'mon people!
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Post#1011 » by pidi » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:14 am

the bledsoe thing again?? i would trade him for a bag of chips and a beck´s beer. he is not worth being a sun. get over it..
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Post#1012 » by Revived » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:28 am

Has anyone here actually taken a look at Kevin Martin's contract? Its not bad, its awful.

Its a long term contract with a heavy overpaid salary every single season.

Barea's is at least expiring but Martin's is just...gross.
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Post#1013 » by kingstyyyle » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:38 am

DirtyDez wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:He's the ONLY Sun not working out in Phoenix right now. What does he have to do for it to be OK to be upset? F all of our moms?


He IS NOT a Sun. The players who are working out are UNDER CONTRACT.

C'mon people!

Neither is Steve Nash but he's been in Phoenix more than Eric has this summer.
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Post#1014 » by Revived » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:05 am

kingstyyyle wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:He's the ONLY Sun not working out in Phoenix right now. What does he have to do for it to be OK to be upset? F all of our moms?


He IS NOT a Sun. The players who are working out are UNDER CONTRACT.

C'mon people!

Neither is Steve Nash but he's been in Phoenix more than Eric has this summer.

Probably cause Steve Nash has lived in Phoenix for geez, idk more than 10 years?? (considering the time he was drafted also).

When Bledsoe has stayed in PHX for over 10 years, he will probably be coming here during the off season too.
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Post#1015 » by Kerrsed » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:24 am

Only players i want from the Wolves are Wiggins (impossible), LaVine (Fans say impossible), Dieng (possible), and Shabazz (possible).

One of the major issues with any Bledsoe trade idea is that we currently have 13 players under contract (14 if you include Bledsoe), and most teams would have to trade multiple players just to make the salary match, so who else goes with Bledsoe from the Suns? Dragic/Thomas are here to stay. I would think that Warren/Len/Ennis/Goodwin would be safe as they were very recently drafted (maybe not so much Ennis). We just re-signed Tucker and signed Tolliver to their deals, so i think they would be safe. The Morris twins seem like a package deal and i cant see us trading Keiff, so i think they would be safe. That leaves Green/Plumlee/Randolph.

In Bledsoe's absence:
We have 3 guys that can play PG (Dragic/Thomas/Ennis)
We have 3 guys that can play SG (Dragic/Goodwin/Green)
We have 4 guys that can play SF (Tucker/Green/Warren/Marcus)
We have 3 guys that can play PF (Markeiff/Toliver/Randolph)
We have 3 guys that can play C (Plumlee/Markeiff/Len)

SO what position of players do we target in a trade?

I still think we should trade Bledsoe/Green/Randolph to Detroit for Jennings/Smith/Option to swap picks in 2015 with ours or the Wolves.

Jennings/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/McMorris
Smith/MkMorris/Toliver
Plumlee/Len

There are no real good FA targets in the next offseason (besides our own Dragic). So having the capspace in 2015 is no big deal. Detroit would have plenty of cash to throw at Bledsoe with this trade going through, as all their other players are on small/rookie deals.

This trade would give us a very competitive team with depth and would be very defense orientated.
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Post#1016 » by DRK » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:31 am

There is nothing "defensive orientated" about that backcourt.

Dragic/Thomas and Jennings would be marinated in Colonel Sanders' 11 Secret Herbs and Spices for 24 hours, and then deep fried golden brown to perfection by every other backcourt in the league.
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Post#1017 » by SlovenianDragon » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:39 am

Markieff deserves to start. Im against any1 starting over him. The guy has gotten better every season.

Markieff is going to be a beast this season....A BEAST!

If we win more games next season its because of Markieff.

Markieffs improvement and the fact he is getting the starting job is why we will be better than last year.

Ive been a huge fan of markieff I was hoping he would start over Frye last season.

Markieff will be the biggest factor in our upcoming season. Believe it.
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Post#1018 » by wordsenuff » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:12 am

pidi wrote:the bledsoe thing again?? i would trade him for a bag of chips and a beck´s beer. he is not worth being a sun. get over it..

whoa whoa whoa... lets not sell our selves short here... at least get a sam adams or stones ipa out of the deal..
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Post#1019 » by andguy22 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:25 am

. Thank you brother, you nailed it so well. The fans take this s**t way too emotional. Realize that this is a business, not a family. There's no emotions on the business side.


Brother , I couldn't disagree more with your statement.

" Not a family ",,,,,??? No , for the die hard fans of the Phoenix Suns , that spend their hard earned money , fight traffic to get to the games , that never miss a game either in person , or while watching it on tv , that root for the Suns and the players whether they win or lose,,,year in , year out ,,THIS IS PART OF OUR FAMILY !!!

"There's no emotions on the business side ",,,,,,,, ??? Brother , I'm here to tell you that that's what fans are about when it comes to their favorite teams, he'll , it,s the driving force,,,, EMOTIONS.

So kindly put that bs statement of yours straight in the trash.

the Suns gave Bledsoe his first chance at becoming a starter . In return he showed signs of brilliance at times . Other times , he was injured and played only about half the season . Had he played all year , the Suns make the playoffs . But he didn't , and therefore no playoffs . But fine, can't fault him for an injury .the Suns , and the fans wanted him back .

All year long , the Suns and the fans proclaimed their love for this guy , even when he was injured ,we had his back , and wanted to see more of him . Couldn't wait for the next season to come.

Then our season ended . And unlike most players , whether heartfelt or just for show , Bledsoe didn't say a peep about wanting to be here or not . No , he didn't owe us that , but it's unusual NOT to get a feeling on a players thoughts or stance on whether or not he wants to return.

The Suns make him a good offer over the summer , 4 years , 48 million dollars . Which was a good offer in comparison to similar players of his stature. What does Bledsoe do ? him and his agent tell us to basically take a flying leap , and that they want a MAX contract and nothing less. Then they hang up the phone and stop all communications with the Suns. Really ?? No communication , or negotiating?

then Bledsoe is shown on video talking about,,,,," I understand that the Phoenix Suns are using restricted free agency against me " .......As a big Suns fan myself , I can tell you that that felt like a sucker punch to the fans like myself . he acted as if somehow the Suns had disrespected him. He played the victim . That was the first bad taste that he left us with. We all had his back,,,,,,and he pulled this ?

the team owner goes on the local radio show here , and proclaims that he , nor the Suns front office has heard from Bledsoe since the season ended . he goes on to say that the Suns are hoping , willing to sit down and Negotiate with Bledsoe and his agent,,,,,,,,leaving open the possibility to increase their initial offer of $48 million. The Suns couldn't of made it any clearer that they were open to an increase.

But you gotta have communication on both parties , and for whatever reason , Bledsoe and his agent didn't even bother to pick up the phone. In their view (agents and Bledsoes) it still remained max contract or nothing. Another month and a half goes by now , and still nothing !!

Now ? Now the Suns and their fans get to hear $@&$ from the Timberwolves about how they want him and are willing to give him a max contract ,,,,,,which technically they can't even offer him right now . And in return they say " you either take our crap offer , or lose him for nothing ",,,,,pay the man they say,,,,,as if our 48 million offer and invite to discuss more with Bledsoe was a slap in his face. Really?

I would of had SOME sort of respect had Bledsoe came out Initially and asked to be traded , but he didn't . I would of had SOME sort of respect for him had he and his agent signed a contract from another team , but he didn't. I would have had SOME sort of respect for him if he put his money where his agents mouth was , and signed the QO a couple weeks back , but that's right he didn't . He's dragged this out and alienated the team , the players , and it's fans.

" But He has every right to hold out for more"......... yes , he does . And the Suns have every right to hold firm with the original fair offer that they put out there .

What was your plan Bledsoe ? Do you even have one?

Personally , I wouldn't trade Bledsoe unless a mind blowing trade came down . you don't hold your team , teammates , and fans hostage , and then expect the Suns to help facilitate a trade for you , just so you can get a max contract , and your old team , teammates , and fans/believers of you , get crap in return. you could of helped us , help you back in the beginning , and gotten value back for your greedy @zz.

" you better take our trade offer or you'll get nothing next year when he walks ",,,,,,,,,,So be it . I'm at the point now that if I have to choose between crap players or nothing , I,d rather take the nothing , just to have the satisfaction that Bledsoe,,,,,,while he left us high and dry,,,,,,we're leaving him with resorting to signing the QO of what ,,,,,3.5 million this season?,,,,,,,,I'll take the latter,,,,,therefore we all got a little screwed in this ordeal.

"That's not professional ",,,,,, get off it, nothing Bledsoe , nor his agent did was professional from day one . Bledsoe is entitled to act anyway he wants,,,,,the Suns are entitled to bench , play , or send him home for the season .The Suns have been nothing but professional throughout this whole experience.

No emotions ? let's see how you'd feel if your girl of 6 months told you that she wanted a 15 karat diamond ring or she was leaving you , and maybe for your cousin , whom offered to buy it for her . She too would have that right to do so .

And she would be labeled a &$)&@ for doing so

Bledsoe hasn't earned that max contract,,,,,,but what he has earned is the same title as the goldigger above.

No emotions in business,,,,,,,?? Buddy , Bledsoe hasn't ruined my life nor my day , but what he has done is left a sour taste in the mouths of every Suns fan,,,,,,and that tends to make us have some unfavorable thoughts towards him.

Seems like you too were a little emotional over some of our comments about him .

Everyone come together now,,,,,,,,GROUP HUG !!!
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Post#1020 » by MrPerfect1 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:06 am

andguy22 wrote: he acted as if somehow the Suns had disrespected him. He played the victim . That was the first bad taste that he left us with. We all had his back,,,,,,and he pulled this ?


Fans having his back is meaningless essentially. Most people, if they see peers making more than them, especially if you are better than your higher paid peers, would be ticked off at what is seen as a low ball offer.

If you were Bledsoe, you would be happy getting $30 mil less than Parsons or Hayward since you know the fans have your back? They may play a more scarce position, but almost anyone would feel screwed over seeing what they received and what he is being offered. Those teams may have overpaid but that is the current market a player sees.


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No emotions ? let's see how you'd feel if your girl of 6 months told you that she wanted a 15 karat diamond ring or she was leaving you , and maybe for your cousin , whom offered to buy it for her . She too would have that right to do so .

And she would be labeled a &$)&@ for doing so


Why would this make you upset? I'd be THRILLED to find out that she was a Gold Digger so I could boot her out the door rather than waste more time with her. Anyone who would value something trivial like that more than a person is not worth being around. I would only feel sorry for my cousin for now being stuck with such a shallow person.

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