Grantland: Josh Smith Scouting Report

[tmorgan]

But, Hedo usually would miss all night long, but in the 4th, he rarely missed.

i get what your saying, but that video ,other than the first 3 reaction, is more leading to that conclusion. If SVG was really that unhappy about it, wouldn't he just sub him out. and if the answer is no, then wouldn't that imply that Smith won't be pulled for jacking three's?

Those Orlando teams were about as deep as a kiddie pool, and Hedo was super-important in initiating the offense.

One would hope, since we have Monroe as an option at the 4, that Josh Smith will get benched if he doesn't follow orders.

(who am I kidding? we all know Smiff is gonna take stupid shots. It's just a matter of Josh's bad offensive decisions vs. Monroe's weak defensive ability at the 4. both are gonna drive SVG nuts.)

[Blkbrd671]

But, Hedo usually would miss all night long, but in the 4th, he rarely missed.

i get what your saying, but that video ,other than the first 3 reaction, is more leading to that conclusion. If SVG was really that unhappy about it, wouldn't he just sub him out. and if the answer is no, then wouldn't that imply that Smith won't be pulled for jacking three's?

Those Orlando teams were about as deep as a kiddie pool, and Hedo was super-important in initiating the offense.

One would hope, since we have Monroe as an option at the 4, that Josh Smith will get benched if he doesn't follow orders.

(who am I kidding? we all know Smiff is gonna take stupid shots. It's just a matter of Josh's bad offensive decisions vs. Monroe's weak defensive ability at the 4. both are gonna drive SVG nuts.)

AINT THAT THE TRUTH

I love how as a Piston fan i am thinking that SVG is basically going to turn Smith into a amazing disciplined player when in reality he's probably going to do the exact same sh*. and SVG is either going to bench him or trade him.

[BadMofoPimp]

Stan is more about playing within a system. Those Magic teams lacked depth and individual defensive talent, but within a system they flourished to the 3rd best record over a 5 year span. And, Hedo and Jameer were starters who are renowned for poor defense as well as Ryan Anderson. But, they played their role well to funnel the players they were defending towards traps. Players like Meer and Hedo occasionally chucked 3 pointers that made no sense as many players do, but Stan was able to make it work in the end. As far as Josh Smith goes, he does remind me of when the Magic obtained Rashard Lewis. Both played SF and PF while being above average defensive players. Stan likes those kinds of players and knows how to use them well. I expect Josh to shoot some 3's, but they will be more open 3's than he is accustomed to because Stan will have him shooting from certain spots in a rotation. Thus, Josh may end up hitting a higher percentage.

[DetroitSho]

Stan is more about playing within a system. Those Magic teams lacked depth and individual defensive talent, but within a system they flourished to the 3rd best record over a 5 year span. And, Hedo and Jameer were starters who are renowned for poor defense as well as Ryan Anderson. But, they played their role well to funnel the players they were defending towards traps. Players like Meer and Hedo occasionally chucked 3 pointers that made no sense as many players do, but Stan was able to make it work in the end. As far as Josh Smith goes, he does remind me of when the Magic obtained Rashard Lewis. Both played SF and PF while being above average defensive players. Stan likes those kinds of players and knows how to use them well. I expect Josh to shoot some 3's, but they will be more open 3's than he is accustomed to because Stan will have him shooting from certain spots in a rotation. Thus, Josh may end up hitting a higher percentage.

Dude, Josh didn't take contested 3's last year. That wasn't the problem. Him taking 3's period is a problem in and of itself. Teams didn't guard this idiot out on the perimeter, so how could you say his 3's will be more open this year and on top of that believe he'll shoot em better? Rashard Lewis and Smiff are nothing alike as far as what they provide to a team and their abilities to mesh into a system. There hasn't been a system built yet to overcome the idiotic tendencies of one Josh Smith.

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[zeebneeb]

We should do a board drinking game with Smith and three pointers. Someone set up the rules.

[tmorgan]

We should do a board drinking game with Smith and three pointers. Someone set up the rules.

Yeah, no. My liver needs to work for another 40 years.

[epheisey]

I expect Josh to shoot some 3's, but they will be more open 3's than he is accustomed to because Stan will have him shooting from certain spots in a rotation. Thus, Josh may end up hitting a higher percentage.

Not sure which Pistons team you were watching last year, but Smith was taking so many 3's because he was left open on the perimeter by EVERYONE. It was built into our opponents gameplan. It basically freed up a defender to help wherever else they wanted to put one. When Smith was at the 3pt line, we were playing 4 on 5 basketball.

Do you really think Smith averaged a career high in 3PA because he was constantly forcing contested shots?

[BadMofoPimp]

I expect Josh to shoot some 3's, but they will be more open 3's than he is accustomed to because Stan will have him shooting from certain spots in a rotation. Thus, Josh may end up hitting a higher percentage.

Not sure which Pistons team you were watching last year, but Smith was taking so many 3's because he was left open on the perimeter by EVERYONE. It was built into our opponents gameplan. It basically freed up a defender to help wherever else they wanted to put one. When Smith was at the 3pt line, we were playing 4 on 5 basketball.

Do you really think Smith averaged a career high in 3PA because he was constantly forcing contested shots?

I blame the coaching.

[epheisey]

I expect Josh to shoot some 3's, but they will be more open 3's than he is accustomed to because Stan will have him shooting from certain spots in a rotation. Thus, Josh may end up hitting a higher percentage.

Not sure which Pistons team you were watching last year, but Smith was taking so many 3's because he was left open on the perimeter by EVERYONE. It was built into our opponents gameplan. It basically freed up a defender to help wherever else they wanted to put one. When Smith was at the 3pt line, we were playing 4 on 5 basketball.

Do you really think Smith averaged a career high in 3PA because he was constantly forcing contested shots?

I blame the coaching.

You can blame the coaching for him taking the shots. You can't blame coaching for him missing. But SVG coaching isn't going to magically allow Smoove to drain open shots that he missed 3 times out of 4 a game last season.


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[DetroitSho]

I expect Josh to shoot some 3's, but they will be more open 3's than he is accustomed to because Stan will have him shooting from certain spots in a rotation. Thus, Josh may end up hitting a higher percentage.

Not sure which Pistons team you were watching last year, but Smith was taking so many 3's because he was left open on the perimeter by EVERYONE. It was built into our opponents gameplan. It basically freed up a defender to help wherever else they wanted to put one. When Smith was at the 3pt line, we were playing 4 on 5 basketball.

Do you really think Smith averaged a career high in 3PA because he was constantly forcing contested shots?

I blame the coaching.

Blame the coaching for what?

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[BadMofoPimp]

I blame the coaching.

Blame the coaching for what?

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For coaching the team, holding players responsible and giving them defined roles? Duh!

[DetroitSho]

I blame the coaching.

Blame the coaching for what?

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For coaching the team, holding players responsible and giving them defined roles? Duh!

Way to contradict yourself. It's your words that you expect SVG's scheme to get Smith open 3's, which is exactly what, in essence, Cheeks' scheme got for Smith.

Why blame Cheeks for what you're actually anxiously awaiting SVG to do. Do you realize how ridiculous it is to hope a scheme's end game is Smith 3s?

Oh yeah......duhhhh!

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[Lionlifer]

We should do a board drinking game with Smith and three pointers. Someone set up the rules.

Here's what I'm thinking:

Take 1 drink for every 3 PT attempt (obviously)
Airball, finish the drink
Front Iron, 2 drinks
Back Iron, 2 drinks
Backboard, 4 Drinks
It goes in, thank God and don't take a drink

Advanced Rules (aka lets get white girl wasted):
Take 1 drink for every second remaining on the shot clock when he puts up a three
Take 2 drinks if the defender left him open
Take 1 drink if there was a defender on him
Take 1 drink every time he steps outside the 3point arc (applies to every offensive possession, gotta keep that buzz going somehow)

[Redeemed]

The thing I like is SVG has been pretty clear about the failure of the front court and the way Smith played last season. In past interviews about Smith he has talked about how Smith can be really effective in the office (with his ability to pass the ball, make sound cuts, etc.), which suggests foresight on the part of SVG. So there's a plan to use Smith that will play to his strengths.

Clearly he is not a perimeter shooter. So in the open structure to SVG's offense it will probably not highlight Smith's inability to shoot. Let's see what that looks like when we start playing the games.