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RunDogGun wrote:PG 72 54 34.7 6.9 15.2 .453 1.8 5.1 .349 5.1 10.2 .504 4.8 5.7 .850 0.7 2.3 2.9 6.3 1.3 0.1 3.0 2.6 20.3
Do stats like that deserve a max deal? This guy can score(20.3), does an alright job assisting(6.3), not too bad on steals (1.3), and is clutch from the free throw line 85%.
Oh and when he started, he averaged 21.3/3.1/6.8 (pts, rbds, ast)
Damkac wrote:If Bledsoe is worth more than 4/48 then why nobody besides the Suns offer him anything?
DBoys wrote:RunDogGun wrote:PG 72 54 34.7 6.9 15.2 .453 1.8 5.1 .349 5.1 10.2 .504 4.8 5.7 .850 0.7 2.3 2.9 6.3 1.3 0.1 3.0 2.6 20.3
Do stats like that deserve a max deal? This guy can score(20.3), does an alright job assisting(6.3), not too bad on steals (1.3), and is clutch from the free throw line 85%.
Oh and when he started, he averaged 21.3/3.1/6.8 (pts, rbds, ast)
Not sure who that is, but it's not Bledsoe, who has never avgd 20 ppg or 6 rpg, or shot 85% from the line, in an NBA season.
but this player never averaged 6 rbds either, it was assists.
RunDogGun wrote:Damkac wrote:If Bledsoe is worth more than 4/48 then why nobody besides the Suns offer him anything?
Because if he signed an offer, it would have tied up money that those teams could use for their roster. Plus it was pretty well known that it was a high possibility we would match that offer.
The teams that really wanted him, don't have the cap room this year to sign him, and for some reason, those teams think our old management is in charge, and we would take bad contracts for Eric.
But enough of Bledsoe, how about real Suns players.
Damkac wrote:If Bledsoe is worth more than 4/48 then why nobody besides the Suns offer him anything?
JTrain wrote:The whole argument about teams not wanting to put offers because it ties them up for a few days was only relevant the first few weeks when many of the big names were still out there. After that, the argument became worthless.
Most teams were still waiting on LBJ to make his decision, and then the smaller fish after that. What I found odd was even NBAtv failed to list Bledsoe as a sought after FA, in July. They listed five guys at the point, and Eric was never listed. They had a couple RFA on the list too.Damkac wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Damkac wrote:If Bledsoe is worth more than 4/48 then why nobody besides the Suns offer him anything?
Because if he signed an offer, it would have tied up money that those teams could use for their roster. Plus it was pretty well known that it was a high possibility we would match that offer.
The teams that really wanted him, don't have the cap room this year to sign him, and for some reason, those teams think our old management is in charge, and we would take bad contracts for Eric.
But enough of Bledsoe, how about real Suns players.
So why did Hayward and Parsons get offers?
RunDogGun wrote:Damkac wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Because if he signed an offer, it would have tied up money that those teams could use for their roster. Plus it was pretty well known that it was a high possibility we would match that offer.
The teams that really wanted him, don't have the cap room this year to sign him, and for some reason, those teams think our old management is in charge, and we would take bad contracts for Eric.
But enough of Bledsoe, how about real Suns players.
So why did Hayward and Parsons get offers?
Maybe teams were hoping their respective teams wouldn't match, where we said we would match any reasonable offer. Also, they both play a different position than Eric, so need at the position might have played a role.
fishnc wrote:If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and LeBron, I would shoot LeBron twice.
RunDogGun wrote:HurricaneKid wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Got it, you don't want to read what I wrote, but instead assume what I was thinking when I wrote it.
read what I wrote again, you even quoted me, so it shouldn't be too hard, there "isn't much" difference is not the same thing as there is "no" difference.
I posted the stats. But I do love how I can't even say that they are similar in stats, but you can say that they are not even comparable, and a chasm of difference between the two, yet I'm the one that is looking at the wrong stats?
You linked their offensive contributions. Which don't show any meaningful difference either way (and I would actually grant that Lowry, for now anyways, is probably a little better offensively). Then I showed you that they are ~6 points/100 poss different defensively. That 6 points defensively was pretty close to the complete contribution of LeBron last year. THATS A CHASM.
You need to look at statistics differently.
No I linked ALL of their stats, and commented on one of them.So again, your stat has absolutely nothing to do with the team, and solely to do with the player you are talking about? For example, whoever replaced Eric could be marginally worse on defense, and Lowry's could be better or no difference at all. And there is no chasm in this. You need to learn what that word means. If my team lost by six points, I would never say there was a "chasm" difference between the scores.
Dude, let it go, you now trying to compare them off one stat, yet earlier saying they weren't comparable, seems like a joke to me.
I got it, you think Eric deserves so much more than Lowry, and I think the offer of 4/$48 is a fair deal considering it is still unknown if a Eric can get through a full season playing starter minutes. We dodged a bullet two seasons ago with Eric Gordon. Moreover, our team has been open to negotiations, and Bledsoe's camp hasn't even shown any desire to come to the table. Our team has gone through this quite professionally, and I think Rich Paul has done the opposite.
fishnc wrote:If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and LeBron, I would shoot LeBron twice.
Damkac wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Damkac wrote:If Bledsoe is worth more than 4/48 then why nobody besides the Suns offer him anything?
Because if he signed an offer, it would have tied up money that those teams could use for their roster. Plus it was pretty well known that it was a high possibility we would match that offer.
The teams that really wanted him, don't have the cap room this year to sign him, and for some reason, those teams think our old management is in charge, and we would take bad contracts for Eric.
But enough of Bledsoe, how about real Suns players.
So why did Hayward and Parsons get offers?
ChrisInAZ wrote:BurningHeart wrote:Wish he'd take a page out of Goran Dragic's playbook. Guy got traded, comes back for less money because he loves it here and he recognizes what Phoenix means to him in his life, and then goes out there and dominates, and then says he'll opt out and quickly resign.
THAT'S the type of dedication and love I want from players playing in Phoenix. I don't want that mercenary, soulless, boring, predictable, manufactured, inmates-run-the-asylum garbage with cancerous, primadonna bull I see with teams and players all around the league. Sorry if that doesn't fit your vision.
I wonder how your example of Goran Dragic strategy looks to a Rocket fan?
When this Bledsoe FA began he had been a member of the Phoenix Suns less than a year, far less time than Goran was a Rocket. Why can't you at least accept the possibility that Eric might want to go where he feels the strongest desire to play, ala Goran Dragic in July '12? That Eric isn't trying to "run from", that he might be trying to "run to" ?
Something tells me had the Rockets thrown big dollars at Goran...promised him a starting role, Goran Dragic would be a Rocket right now and his love to play in Phoenix would have to wait.
Gogi didn't have to face the Rockets using the RFA rules against him, but probably just as Bledsoe stated calmly, Dragic would probably have echoed- "The Rockets are using the restricted free agency rules against me, but I understand that"
Look. I am not the biggest Bledsoe fan. There are red flags with his obvious knee issues and even moreso in the way he plays...dangerous. I don't think he deserves anything close to what his agent isn't asking for. I'm pretty much in the "4/48 or die" club, though I'd budge to a small bump and or a shorter slightly sweeter deal. If he chooses to take the QO, it won't make me happy, but I also don't think it's nearly as "nuclear" as so many are feeling. Bledsoe in effect did it (rolled the dice) last year when he didn't sign an extension with the Suns. It could have...and nearly did blow up in his face (see:knee). What bugs me is all this assumption or out n' out fabrication about Bledsoe's mind set. I guess if you are one of those that accepts word from one of our "insiders" that Bledsoe is "butthurt"..."butthurt"...and did I say "butthurt"? (really need to find a new word) then I guess? You have some proof that Bledsoe is pissed. I'm not accepting that, especially since the insider is only getting info from one or two press connections, not the FO itself. Follow his tracks from the beginning in '09. Maybe something changed when the Lebron stuff started flying in early July, but the 3 year sudden return of inside info after a total hiatus as insider, didn't come with a status update. Many and large are my "grains of salt".
Yes! Of course speculation is part of a vibrant forum such as this...and certainly some counter-speculation or strong push back. And I will admit I do gravitate to the role as contrarian more often than not...a want to play devil's advocate.
I'm ready to get blasted once again by one of the best. I mean that with respect BH. Your Suns passion is unmatched.
Damkac wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Damkac wrote:So why did Hayward and Parsons get offers?
Maybe teams were hoping their respective teams wouldn't match, where we said we would match any reasonable offer. Also, they both play a different position than Eric, so need at the position might have played a role.
Utah said that they would match any offer for Hayward. Don't remember if Houston said anything like that but most people was suprised they didn't match Parson. Dallas knew that Rockets might match but they made an offer anyway.
If Bledsoe is worth max contract he would received it.
fishnc wrote:If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and LeBron, I would shoot LeBron twice.
HurricaneKid wrote:You guys saying he is worth 12M/ are gonna feel really silly next year when Kemba Walker gets similar money. Ignoring the impending increase of the tax line to ~83M is ignoring the elephant in the room.
HurricaneKid wrote:Damkac wrote:RunDogGun wrote:
Maybe teams were hoping their respective teams wouldn't match, where we said we would match any reasonable offer. Also, they both play a different position than Eric, so need at the position might have played a role.
Utah said that they would match any offer for Hayward. Don't remember if Houston said anything like that but most people was suprised they didn't match Parson. Dallas knew that Rockets might match but they made an offer anyway.
If Bledsoe is worth max contract he would received it.
Its about need and space. I think Milwaukee would offer it tomorrow but they would have to part with a draft pick to dump Zaza (or a similar transaction). So they give away a draft pick, then poof, Pho matches. Its a waste. Pho got lucky that the teams in need of a PG didn't have space this offseason. It doesn't mean he isn't worth it or that the contract wouldn't be an asset in 5 months should Ennis show enough promise to jam up PG min even more.
Frank Lee wrote:Look... there is little to no chance Bledsoap signs with us next yr after taking the QO. It is a statement he is making this yr. He walks plain and simple. This has been a pizzin contest from day one.
What concerns me is him taking the QO and us not being able to trade him till Jan 1. I don't know if that is the rule, but it was mentioned a few pages ago with no refutal. If he is to be traded prior to the start of the season, does it have to be a sign and trade for something other than the QO ?
This looks like an 11th hour scenario unfolding.
