Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[Kerrsed]

I wouldn't mind that deal if the contract was heavily frontloaded.

I agree. We have over $18M in capspace this season, but next year we have to give contracts to Dragic/MoBro#1/MoBro#2. I dont know how much we could frontload it, but if we could do $18M this season and have it step down quite a bit from there for next season (and the remaining seasons), that would totally save our ass.

Year #1 : $18M
Year #2 : $16M
Year #3 : $14M
Year #4 : $12M
Year #5 : $12M

Then we could structure Dragic's new contract to be the exact opposite with a pay increase every year.

[spanishninja]

I wouldn't mind that deal if the contract was heavily frontloaded.

I agree. We have over $18M in capspace this season, but next year we have to give contracts to Dragic/MoBro#1/MoBro#2. I dont know how much we could frontload it, but if we could do $18M this season and have it step down quite a bit from there for next season (and the remaining seasons), that would totally save our ass.

Year #1 : $18M
Year #2 : $16M
Year #3 : $14M
Year #4 : $12M
Year #5 : $12M

Then we could structure Dragic's new contract to be the exact opposite with a pay increase every year.

That of course comes with its own problem that you'd be paying Dragic the more money as he gets to the other side of 30. I think in the end we will be overpaying somebody, maybe it's just best to overpay bledsoe now.

[jcsunsfan]

I wouldn't mind that deal if the contract was heavily frontloaded.

I agree. We have over $18M in capspace this season, but next year we have to give contracts to Dragic/MoBro#1/MoBro#2. I dont know how much we could frontload it, but if we could do $18M this season and have it step down quite a bit from there for next season (and the remaining seasons), that would totally save our ass.

Year #1 : $18M
Year #2 : $16M
Year #3 : $14M
Year #4 : $12M
Year #5 : $12M

Then we could structure Dragic's new contract to be the exact opposite with a pay increase every year.

But this is not possible is it? The max he can earn in year 1 is shy of 15 million.

[Sun Scorched]

Huge hack-job by ESPN. Reporting is dead. I'm not going to even post.

Paraphrasing:

The Suns got scared, offered Bledsoe a contract he deserved (finally, lulz!), Bledsoe was seriously considering taking the QO (apparently, the concept of negotiating is also dead), etc.

Seriously, you know how stupid this would sound: "Bledsoe is not seriously considering the QO, worried about knees."

My god reporting sucks. Can you imagine if the following words were not allowed in articles?

"According to multiple reports" which can of course mean twitter, these days.
"Could" no ****, aliens "could" invade
"Apparently", per my distorted view of the situation....

I don't even know what to do with this gem:
"ESPN.com's Brian Windhorst reported last week that the Wolves have continued to aggressively pursue Bledsoe in a sign-and-trade deal that would have landed him a four-year max contract valued at $63 million."

Absolutely no reporting in there, at all. How the **** can you "aggressively pursue" an option... that isn't.... an option.

"In other news, Sun Scorched to aggressively pursue supermodel girlfriend...."

Yeah? No ****.

/rant, sorry all.

[King4Day]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:11580956

That's ESPN's video on it. They talk to Windhorst

[Sunsdeuce]

I wouldn't mind that deal if the contract was heavily frontloaded.

I agree. We have over $18M in capspace this season, but next year we have to give contracts to Dragic/MoBro#1/MoBro#2. I dont know how much we could frontload it, but if we could do $18M this season and have it step down quite a bit from there for next season (and the remaining seasons), that would totally save our ass.

Year #1 : $18M
Year #2 : $16M
Year #3 : $14M
Year #4 : $12M
Year #5 : $12M

Then we could structure Dragic's new contract to be the exact opposite with a pay increase every year.

That of course comes with its own problem that you'd be paying Dragic the more money as he gets to the other side of 30. I think in the end we will be overpaying somebody, maybe it's just best to overpay bledsoe now.

With the improvements in conditioning technology. For athletes today 30 is like being 25. I have no problem paying goran into his mid 30s. That's like another 8 good years of goran. If Nash played at an MVP level until 36, no reason goran can't. Look at Manu, he is in his late 30s and is still playing at a high level (manu and goran play very similarly).

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[Kerrsed]

[JDLAW]

I wouldn't mind that deal if the contract was heavily frontloaded.

I agree. We have over $18M in capspace this season, but next year we have to give contracts to Dragic/MoBro#1/MoBro#2. I dont know how much we could frontload it, but if we could do $18M this season and have it step down quite a bit from there for next season (and the remaining seasons), that would totally save our ass.

Year #1 : $18M
Year #2 : $16M
Year #3 : $14M
Year #4 : $12M
Year #5 : $12M

Then we could structure Dragic's new contract to be the exact opposite with a pay increase every year.

For either Bledsoe or Dragic. This would not be legal under the CBA. The initial numbers are too large and the decreases are also appear too large, 7.5% is the max change (up or down). For Bledsoe, the highest salary number that can be given in the 1st year is $14.7M. The Suns can give a signing bonus of 15% up front but it would not change the cap numbers as it gets averaged over the life of the contract for accounting purposes.

[bwgood77]

I wouldn't mind that deal if the contract was heavily frontloaded.

I agree. We have over $18M in capspace this season, but next year we have to give contracts to Dragic/MoBro#1/MoBro#2. I dont know how much we could frontload it, but if we could do $18M this season and have it step down quite a bit from there for next season (and the remaining seasons), that would totally save our ass.

Year #1 : $18M
Year #2 : $16M
Year #3 : $14M
Year #4 : $12M
Year #5 : $12M

Then we could structure Dragic's new contract to be the exact opposite with a pay increase every year.

But this is not possible is it? The max he can earn in year 1 is shy of 15 million.

Well it's not entirely possible, because he can only have a decline of 7.5% a year. So if he started out at 18, he could only drop to 16.65 in year two, and so on.

But the max he can start out is going to be in excess of 18 million, because he will have been in the league 7 years. Look at the second chart here....this year, the max for a 7 year player starts at 17.695, but as you can see in the chart, it usually increases by over a million a year each year, so next year it will be higher. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

Edit: My bad, I thought he was talking about Dragic's contract next year, so for Bledsoe, yes the starting salary is 14.7. So he can't decline much since is avg would be 14.4 if he gets 5/72.

[JDLAW]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:11580956

That's ESPN's video on it. They talk to Windhorst

Windwhore and the twinkle are both sorry excuses for reporters.

[carey]

Utah said that they would match any offer for Hayward. Don't remember if Houston said anything like that but most people was suprised they didn't match Parson. Dallas knew that Rockets might match but they made an offer anyway.
If Bledsoe is worth max contract he would received it.

Supposedly, the Rockets did not match Parson's offer based on a demand by DH's agent, as Parsons and DH share the agent and this agent made Howard's arrival to the Rockets possible.

Not correct. They let him BECOME a UFA a year before they had to based on the agreement. The not matching was their own decision.

[aIvin adams]

Utah said that they would match any offer for Hayward. Don't remember if Houston said anything like that but most people was suprised they didn't match Parson. Dallas knew that Rockets might match but they made an offer anyway.
If Bledsoe is worth max contract he would received it.

Supposedly, the Rockets did not match Parson's offer based on a demand by DH's agent, as Parsons and DH share the agent and this agent made Howard's arrival to the Rockets possible.

Not correct. They let him BECOME a UFA a year before they had to based on the agreement. The not matching was their own decision.

iirc they let him become a RFA a year before he would have become an UFA.

[sunsbum]

5 years too long, too much money for a player on the court 40 games a season. I miss the days when rumors were even just partially true.

[Kerrsed]

Utah said that they would match any offer for Hayward. Don't remember if Houston said anything like that but most people was suprised they didn't match Parson. Dallas knew that Rockets might match but they made an offer anyway.
If Bledsoe is worth max contract he would received it.

Supposedly, the Rockets did not match Parson's offer based on a demand by DH's agent, as Parsons and DH share the agent and this agent made Howard's arrival to the Rockets possible.

Not correct. They let him BECOME a UFA a year before they had to based on the agreement. The not matching was their own decision.

Correct. But their decision not to match was due to them going after Carmelo. If they matched Parsons overpaid contract, they were essentially taking themselves out of obtaining any of the big name FA's. They felt that they had a real good chance at landing Melo, so they did what they needed to do to keep pursuing him. Unfortunately for them, they lost out.

[bwgood77]

Supposedly, the Rockets did not match Parson's offer based on a demand by DH's agent, as Parsons and DH share the agent and this agent made Howard's arrival to the Rockets possible.

Not correct. They let him BECOME a UFA a year before they had to based on the agreement. The not matching was their own decision.

Correct. But their decision not to match was due to them going after Carmelo. If they matched Parsons overpaid contract, they were essentially taking themselves out of obtaining any of the big name FA's. They felt that they had a real good chance at landing Melo, so they did what they needed to do to keep pursuing him. Unfortunately for them, they lost out.

You mean Bosh?

[AtheJ415]

Well I heard Suns and Bledsoe have come to an agreement at 5 years/72 mil. No other details.




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Ummm am I the only one around here who thinks that's a **** deal?!?! Honestly it's complete garbage. Bledsoe/Paul are winners if that's the deal.

Have to agree. We got played if that's true. That's waaaay too much. Hope it doesn't bite us in the butt with his injury history and all.


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Woj and Notraxxe said offers were in the $50 mill range, so I'm gonna go ahead and say I don't trust JDiddy here. That's $20 mill above the rumors, unless the 5th year is a team option in which case it's really 4/$50ish mil and we only pay the additional $20 mil if he's worth it 5 years from now.

[Kerrsed]

Not correct. They let him BECOME a UFA a year before they had to based on the agreement. The not matching was their own decision.

Correct. But their decision not to match was due to them going after Carmelo. If they matched Parsons overpaid contract, they were essentially taking themselves out of obtaining any of the big name FA's. They felt that they had a real good chance at landing Melo, so they did what they needed to do to keep pursuing him. Unfortunately for them, they lost out.

You mean Bosh?

It went from Lebron to Melo, then to Bosh. Their primary target was Melo, but when that was falling through they put all their efforts into Bosh.

[bwgood77]

It went from Lebron to Melo, then to Bosh. Their primary target was Melo, but when that was falling through they put all their efforts into Bosh.

Yeah, I remember that now, but I think Bosh is the only one they had a serious chance of getting.

[carey]

Supposedly, the Rockets did not match Parson's offer based on a demand by DH's agent, as Parsons and DH share the agent and this agent made Howard's arrival to the Rockets possible.

Not correct. They let him BECOME a UFA a year before they had to based on the agreement. The not matching was their own decision.

iirc they let him become a RFA a year before he would have become an UFA.

That's right. It was RFA & not UFA. Sorry about that.

[King4Day]

If this does go down and we get him at 4@54 (player option or not), I bet the media will praise us.

I'm more interested to see how the deal will be viewed if we end up doing the offer Diddy mentioned of 5@72.

IMO as long as the 5th year is a team option, I wouldn't have a problem with it.