Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[BurningHeart]

or is McD finally getting his way over Babby and Sarver?

You mean Ryan McDonough hasn't been "getting his way" thus far?

[LukasBMW]

I guess the light at the end of the tunnel is that the next lockout will likely have an amnesty provision so if Bledsoe blows out a knee and become Brandon Roy part II, then we can just amnesty him and be done with it.

But if Bledsoe makes it rain and becomes Russell Westbrook part II, then we got him locked up for 14m a year.

[NotTraxxe]

Sadly I was told 4/52 was our offer that got him to the table. And that 4/54 with player options is where they pushed back.

I knew they were meeting with Bledsoe for the first time today. And that they thought a deal was getting done. But them is the breaks.

Zoran is coming to the Suns and that is an offseason wrap. I'm out for the year! Deuces!

[Saberestar]

5/$70 million... Rich Paul did a terrible job representing his client

I think Robert Sarver was willing to give him that money in July if Bledsoe had wanted to negotiate.
In an interview in May, Sarver said that he was seeing next Bledsoe's contract between 7-14 million and for 4 years.
This means that he was willing to pay 14 per year...and finally the extra year because Bledsoe is an "special" guy.

I love the contract, I really think that he deserves around $13-14M per year, he is way better than Lowry, Lawson or Holiday and the cap is going up every year.
Probably,if he stays healthy, in 2-3 years that fith year it will be seen like an steal.

[alldayeveryday]

Bledsoe gets $70 million extension from the Suns. That's $212 million in extensions for Kentucky's Big 3 from 2010 (Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe)

https://twitter.com/ThompsonScribe/stat ... 8553393152

[Sun Scorched]

Also Suns using up its 5 year contract on Bledsoe...
What does that say to Dragic?.. Goran that is...

4 year extention?..

or is McD finally getting his way over Babby and Sarver?

Because I would say McD would be more pro-Bledsoe than Dragic.

You're confusing rookie scale extensions and free agent contracts. Each team can only have one "designated player" to which they give a 5-year extension on top of their rookie scale (bringing the total length of their contract to 6 years).

Teams can give 5 years to all of the free agents they have, eligible with bird rights.

[MathiasPW]

Any clue if it is frontloaded?

[Sun Scorched]

Sadly I was told 4/52 was our offer that got him to the table. And that 4/54 with player options is where they pushed back.

I knew they were meeting with Bledsoe for the first time today. And that they thought a deal was getting done. But them is the breaks.

Zoran is coming to the Suns and that is an offseason wrap. I'm out for the year! Deuces!

Awesome, awesome news.

Thanks Traxxe.

[Flying Colors]

I guess the light at the end of the tunnel is that the next lockout will likely have an amnesty provision so if Bledsoe blows out a knee and become Brandon Roy part II, then we can just amnesty him and be done with it.

But if Bledsoe makes it rain and becomes Russell Westbrook part II, then we got him locked up for 14m a year.

When is the next lockout predicted to happen?

[bwgood77]

Yeah, 14 a year which is where many thought it would end up. And we get him locked up for the extra year. Sounds good to me.

I dunno man, if misfortune falls on us, then he has us locked in for another year

I agree. And I was worried about his injuries, but I always said if we were willing to give him 4/56, we must not be too worried, and might as well lock him up for as long as we can. Ultimately I trust the medical staff, but of course you are right. Hopefully he can stay healthy. Hate to have a Roy situation.

[Phystic]

Good lord what a terrible contract. Why in the hell did they wait so long if they were going to cave?

Should of held strong and bumped it up a little at the last second to allow Bledsoe to save face by getting us to increase. 5yr 70M is too much someone with risk and limited proof of production. Sure hope they look into trading him after he proves he can produce.

[Phystic]

I guess the light at the end of the tunnel is that the next lockout will likely have an amnesty provision so if Bledsoe blows out a knee and become Brandon Roy part II, then we can just amnesty him and be done with it.

But if Bledsoe makes it rain and becomes Russell Westbrook part II, then we got him locked up for 14m a year.

yes because I'm sure Sarver will be eager to pay another played millions to not play for our team.

[thamadkant]

Also Suns using up its 5 year contract on Bledsoe...
What does that say to Dragic?.. Goran that is...

4 year extention?..

or is McD finally getting his way over Babby and Sarver?

Because I would say McD would be more pro-Bledsoe than Dragic.

You're confusing rookie scale extensions and free agent contracts. Each team can only have one "designated player" to which they give a 5-year extension on top of their rookie scale (bringing the total length of their contract to 6 years).

Teams can give 5 years to all of the free agents they have, eligible with bird rights.

If so...
Its a bit confusing since I'm hearing Cavs fans just talk 4 year extensions to Love next season.... I assumed thats the longest they can use on a free agent not coming off his rookie contract... or Love's contract under the D.Rose rule contract... I gotta read up on Love's contract now lol

[bwgood77]

Also Suns using up its 5 year contract on Bledsoe...
What does that say to Dragic?.. Goran that is...

4 year extention?..

or is McD finally getting his way over Babby and Sarver?

Because I would say McD would be more pro-Bledsoe than Dragic.

I asked the same thing a month or so ago, and the 5 year rule applies to only people you EXTEND on a rookie contract. Since Bledsoe became a free agent, it doesn't apply (according to Gaspar I believe and some guy that answered my tweet to Larry Coon).

We can also offer a guy like Dragic 5 years as he is far removed from a rookie contract, and of course will be a FA. So we may end up having both of them AND Warren on a 5 year deal come 2018-19.

[RunDogGun]

Glad it is over. Not happy with the amount and length, but I trust this FO. Now he better earn it.

[letsgosuns]

Well I find this to be very exciting news. The Suns increased the team's offer by 22 million and Bledsoe went down 15 million from his demand. Pretty even overall. I think this goes to show something that I believed all along, Ryan McDonough wants to keep the guys he brings in and does not mind letting the previous regime's guys leave. I also think something else major has to be going on. I do not understand a possible Zoran Dragic signing when the Suns already have G. Dragic, Bledsoe, Thomas, Green, Goodwin, Ennis, and the new guy Jackson. Already seven guards for two spots and Z. Dragic would make eight. Plus, the Suns own the rights to shooting guard Bogdan Bogdanovich who is supposed to have really good potential. So I think there might be a trade on its way because having 8 guards is way too much.

[thamadkant]

Any clue if it is frontloaded?

That would be an amazing addition..

Year 1: 18 million
Year 2: 16 million
Year 3: 14 million
Year 4: 12~13 million
Year 5: 10~11 million

With obviously increases factored in the total.

[SSOL]

Jdiddy > nottraxxe

[paulpressey25]

Boy McD really stuck it to Bledsoe and Rich Paul. For two guys with no leverage, they did allright.

Sarcasm aside, I as I've posted here the past three months, I don't think your franchise had a choice.

-You weren't getting fair value back in trade
-Letting him go to the QO would have resulted in losing the asset in nine-months.
-Hardballing him would have caused PHX to have a bad rap with other players that would have damaged your franchise

I would have just offered him 4/$63 and given him the opt-out after year 3. But maybe Rich Paul had to have five-years. The problem with the five year deal is that the final year could pay him between $15 and $18 million depending on structure. That's a boat anchor to prevent trades if he doesn't pan out.

In any event, he's a great player if he stays healthy. He makes you relevant this season.

[JTrain]

I think we might sign Dragic to this exact same contract. Does that leave room for Keef and a new contract for Plumlee or Len at some point soon?