Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

Revived · Post #1521 » by **Revived** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:30 am

This contract depends on his health ESPECIALLY since its a 5 year with NO team options AT ALL in it. If he continues to miss more than 10 games/season throughout his contract, then yea we got ripped off. If he doesn't then we got a good deal.

Just to keep perspective though, Kyle Lowry, who is every bit as good as him except doesn't have anything close to the injury trouble that Bledsoe has, got just $12M/yr.

I'm not excited about the $$ in the contract, I'm excited to put this behind us and to just focus on the new season now.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #1522 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:31 am

“Lon, Ryan and the Suns have shown confidence in me, and I am looking to take that responsibility and help our team get better from last year and position ourselves to win an NBA championship, It’s why I came back to Phoenix. All summer, I knew that I really would be most comfortable coming back to Phoenix because of the great fans, my Suns teammates and our coaches. I am very happy it was able to work out this way.”

- Bledsoe

"We are thrilled Eric Bledsoe will be in a Phoenix Suns uniform for years to come. Eric is one the most exciting and dynamic two-way players in the league. He played very well for us on both ends of the floor last season and we feel he is well on his way to establishing himself as one of the elite players in the NBA.”

- McD

“I learned long ago that it doesn’t matter how stormy the sea is as long as the ship comes in and today we are thrilled that the ship has come in and Eric will remain a Sun for a long time. He will be an integral part not only of our basketball team, but our Phoenix community.”

- Babby

Christine-In-AZ · Post #1523 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:32 am

JDLAW wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:http://instagram.com/p/tWF-eUAX1a/

If anything, I hate that Paul comes away looking like a winner.

I do not think it does. He wanted 5 and 84 ($16.8M/yr) or he was not going to agree to a contract. The Suns offered 4 and 48 ($12M yr) They settled at 5 and 70 ($14M/yr) The Suns gave the 5th year because is showed Bledsoe wanted to be here. The salary per year was a compromise that slightly favored the Suns - they went down 3M/yr and we went up 2M/yr. The Suns were always willing to go up on the initial offer if they would come in and negotiate. They finally did and the deal got done.

What looks so stupid is that it took so long for this to get worked out.

So if you're representing Reggie Jackson next summer. Just demand the max from the get-go, threaten to accept the QO and voila! Even if OKC "wins" by giving in to a less than 50% compromise. You end up getting your client a much better-than-the-market-would-suggest deal. Easy-peasy...everybody comes out of it the "winner"

SunsFanSSOL · Post #1524 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:33 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/514907053387952128[/tweet]

JDLAW · Post #1525 » by **JDLAW** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:34 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:McD finally gets his way. I bet Sarver and Babby wish they could have used that $70m to sign Goran Dragic's extended family

Don't worry they will use more than that for the Dragics

Post #1526 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:36 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:McD finally gets his way. I bet Sarver and Babby wish they could have used that $70m to sign Goran Dragic's extended family

Bet they were all pretty happy with it. Sarver stated if he'd sit down he'd be willing to negotiate. He went up a little per year and got an extra year. IMO if they were going to give him 4/56, they are not worried about injuries so get that extra year for another 14 which will look like a great deal 5 years from now. Since it's escalating it will be 15 that year, but even at that price, by then guys like Curry will be making 20+ if they are healthy.

Some reporter, I forgot who said it, said a few months back on the radio that if McD had his way Bledsoe would have been signed in July, but Sarver and Babby were against giving him a large amount of money.

Perhaps, but if we signed him in July it would have had to be 5/84. They were not going to come off that # until this week since they wouldn't sit down and negotiate.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1527 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:39 am

Just listened to Ryan Mcd on sports 910.

Basically he said he is " really sure" that goran will be locked up after this season. The suns fully intend on paying goran as much as needed to keep him. Also said the suns will know by Friday if zoran comes to the suns. Obviously talked about the Bledsoe deal. He wants to lock up his best players. Acknowledged that having too much in the backcourt isn't ideal but he believes in locking up his best players. He wasn't sure if the deal was going to get done.

Oh yeah, also said he knows about the salary cap going up so that had some influence on the deal.

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NotTraxxe · Post #1528 » by **NotTraxxe** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:40 am

We are not trading Bledsoe. Both sides "happy." And we are keeping resources for big moves down the road. Staying flexible.

I leave you with one last parting gift.

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Christine-In-AZ · Post #1529 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:41 am

I would love to know what thoughts are rolling around in Goran's brain due to the Bledsoe news. Good? Bad? Meh?

Did Zoran's future take a turn with this EB contract?

SunsFanSSOL · Post #1530 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:41 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Just listened to Ryan Mcd on sports 910.

Basically he said he is " really sure" that goran will be locked up after this season. The suns fully intend on paying goran as much as needed to keep him. Also said the suns will know by Friday if zoran comes to the suns. Obviously talked about the Bledsoe deal. He wants to lock up his best players. Acknowledged that having too much in the backcourt isn't ideal but he believes in locking up his best players. He wasn't sure if the deal was going to get done.

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Hopefully no Zoran.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #1531 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:44 am

True, true.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rafael_uehara/status/514929579031416832[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rafael_uehara/status/514931128197599233[/tweet]

JDLAW · Post #1532 » by **JDLAW** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:46 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:McD finally gets his way. I bet Sarver and Babby wish they could have used that $70m to sign Goran Dragic's extended family

Bet they were all pretty happy with it. Sarver stated if he'd sit down he'd be willing to negotiate. He went up a little per year and got an extra year. IMO if they were going to give him 4/56, they are not worried about injuries so get that extra year for another 14 which will look like a great deal 5 years from now. Since it's escalating it will be 15 that year, but even at that price, by then guys like Curry will be making 20+ if they are healthy.

Some reporter, I forgot who said it, said a few months back on the radio that if McD had his way Bledsoe would have been signed in July, but Sarver and Babby were against giving him a large amount of money.

Maybe that was the idiot Windwhore. :lol:

Two things we should all learn here; 1) This organization is much tighter (no leaks) in the operation of its business; and 2) the media was clueless. They are interconnected. There are only three voices in this Sarver, Babby and McD. They are the only ones who know what they were doing and what they were willing to do. The media and other insiders were unaware that negotiations had been ongoing for 3 weeks and not a single person reported it. No one in the media got any of this right with the exception of Woj on the eve of the signing. All the other crap, especially from ESPN and Windwhore and Aldridge were completely clueless and they should turn in their press credentials. Our local media was also completely shut out.

Revived · Post #1533 » by **Revived** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:54 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:True, true.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rafael_uehara/status/514929579031416832[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rafael_uehara/status/514931128197599233[/tweet]

This is why I'm not a big fan of this signing.

This reminds me of when the Knicks sign JR Smith's brother to please JR. And then when JR started to suck for them, they cut his brother immediately cause they didn't care for what he wants anymore.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1534 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:57 am

@foxsports910: #Suns GM Ryan McDonough: "We really wanted to lock him in a long as possible. He will give us cost certainty with salaries increasing.

@foxsports910: #Suns GM Ryan McDonough: "All of us would have liked it to have been resolved earlier this summer...There are deadlines for a reason."

@foxsports910: #Suns GM Ryan McDonough re: @EBled2 timeline: "I don't want anybody to misinterpret how long it took. Both sides are happy."

@foxsports910: #Suns GM Ryan McDonough, when asked about @Goran_Dragic : "We want to keep him in a Suns uniform as long as possible...still plenty of $$."

@foxsports910: Miss #Suns GM Ryan McDonough on @foxsports910 tonight? Hear the podcast here: http://t.co/mldw3CMDKl @mikejurecki @paulcoro

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Revived · Post #1535 » by **Revived** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:00 am

Christine-In-AZ · Post #1536 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:00 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:@paulcoro: Eric Bledsoe's five-year, $70M #Suns contract starts at $13M with annual $500K raises. No options. No ETOs. No trade kickers.

Well, knowing all this now. I highly doubt he will be with the suns the full 5 years. Will be traded at one point or another. Easy contract to trade. But you never know.

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I would've liked to see some non-fully guarantee years and incentives but it's fine. No trade kicker is awesome, means he's easier to move and on a long term deal, he's a lot more attractive an asset.

ASSET. That's all I see with Bledsoe. I'm sure people don't agree but that's how I see it.

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I'm with ya...well? About 85% with ya. I'm leaving the door ajar to a possible long term Suns-Bledsoe marriage. I still don't see a Dragic/Bledsoe backcourt as a title contending bc, but I'm still opened minded about it.

That knee and the way he plays. Arg! I just can't get that out of my mind. Yeah the $$ numbers aren't crazy high, but he strikes me as such a risk for major knee surgery at any time. Sarver will spend and even go into the LTax, but not if Bledsoe is wearing a suit and the Suns aren't true contenders.

Have a "spectacularly healthy" year Eric. Please.

Post #1537 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:05 am

JDLAW wrote:It is called a compromise - something both sides needed to do to get an acceptable deal done. I am somewhat shocked about the griping that is going on about this. It appears to be a good deal and it is done. We have a happy player who is a key part of the team's success and wants to be here.

I'm just nitpicking because I really dislike Paul.

Bledsoe is on a decent deal. An overpay now but you have to overpay for young premier talent and the contract would probably be much easier to swallow when the new TV deal gets done and the salary cap is increased.

Jdiddy701 · Post #1538 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:08 am

"Marquette's undrafted Jamil Wilson has reached agreement on a deal with the Phoenix Suns, league source tells RealGM."

Who's that?

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Sunsdeuce · Post #1539 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:08 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
JDLAW wrote:It is called a compromise - something both sides needed to do to get an acceptable deal done. I am somewhat shocked about the griping that is going on about this. It appears to be a good deal and it is done. We have a happy player who is a key part of the team's success and wants to be here.

I'm just nitpicking because I really dislike Paul.

Bledsoe is on a decent deal. An overpay now but you have to overpay for young premier talent and the contract would probably be much easier to swallow when the new TV deal gets done and the salary cap is increased.

I have to side with you on rich Paul. The agent gets a percentage of the deal so yes he wanted to get Bledsoe as much as possible. I think Paul is a con artist and good at manipulating people like Bledsoe and lebron.

But it's over with now.

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JDLAW · Post #1540 » by **JDLAW** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:08 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
JDLAW wrote:It is called a compromise - something both sides needed to do to get an acceptable deal done. I am somewhat shocked about the griping that is going on about this. It appears to be a good deal and it is done. We have a happy player who is a key part of the team's success and wants to be here.

I'm just nitpicking because I really dislike Paul.

Bledsoe is on a decent deal. An overpay now but you have to overpay for young premier talent and the contract would probably be much easier to swallow when the new TV deal gets done and the salary cap is increased.

Yeah I hear you. I do not like or respect him. But as one of the most senior Suns fans in existence, I am happy we kept a key member of our team.