Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[Revived]

Well Goodwin will never see minutes now.

good. this board overrates the heck out of him.


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Probably because he's played EXTREMELY well whenever given legit minutes. Can't wait til he leaves PHX to a team that doesn't have a million guards and then we can see how he plays.

[JDLAW]

Props to jdiddy on the scoop.

Also I don't know what to make about the suns FO, they basically validated rich paul as a "not totally incompetent" agent. The suns just bid against themselves and lost. I hope bledsoe really works hard to earn that cash.

The front office doesn't care how they spin it. They know what they did and what they wanted and they got a good deal done. Allowing Paul to save face doesn't hurt them and could help them with other FA's in the future. They may not want to deal with him again, but either way, I doubt they care.

I don't get how this would help them with potential FA's in the future. What's the message it sends? If you hold out we will cave?

Between overpaying bledsoe, drafting Len and not trading bogdan bogdanovic for gasol and a run in the playoffs. I'm not sure McD is right for the job.

There was no indication that the Lakers would have accepted the late pick for Gasol and Gasol played only 10-11 games after the trade deadline. He would not have helped much to get the Suns into the playoffs. There is nothing wrong with the draft choice of Len.

[thamadkant]

Reading through some posts on other sites.

Someone threw the $100,000,000 number next to Dragic...

And that took a lot of air out me.



Which begs the question?

If Dragic produces the same stats he did last season next season...
What will be the fair number to throw at him?

I'm thinking 5 years 80 million... Similar numbers prime Ginobili got...


If he plays and put up the same numbers he was putting before Bledsoe got injured... 16/6...
What will be the fair number to throw at him?

I'm thinking 5 year 65 million...

[Kerrsed]

Dragic's numbers were very very very similar to Bledsoes numbers. Who knows if Bledsoe's stats would have increased or decreased if he stayed healthy. I would give Dragic a Bledsoe sized offer, 5/$75M. With us adding Zoran to the team, Goran should be more than happy to take that offer.

[NTB]

So guys can someone enlighten me about our salary cap situation? We will give Bledsoe 14 MD/year, will we be able to keep Dragic (13-14 MD/year) and MoBros and Green at the same time?

[Revived]

You have to imagine that Dragic had a big grin on his face when he heard about the contract that Bledsoe got.

Summer of 2015 can't come soon enough for Goran.....he's probably already looking at new houses

https://homes.yahoo.com/blogs/spaces/-8 ... 56091.html

[Kerrsed]

So guys can someone enlighten me about our salary cap situation? We will give Bledsoe 14 MD/year, will we be able to keep Dragic (13-14 MD/year) and MoBros and Green at the same time?

We are on the books for a Guaranteed $10M (not counting Bledsoe as we dont know how the structure is yet). Thats with Dragic/Morris/Morris not taking their QO's and us not picking up our team options on Len/Toliver/Plumlee/Goodwin. Now the image hasnt been updated to show Tucker yet, but he is making $5.5M in 2015-2016, so that puts us up to $15.7M. Bledsoe will be somewhere between $12M & $14M, so lets just say $13M, bringing our total to $28.5M.

Im betting we keep our team option on Len($3.8M)/Goodwin($1.1M)/Plumlee($2.1M) so that equals out to $7M ($35.5M Total).

The Salary Cap this season is $63M, and with a new TV deal set in place, some are saying the cap could jump up to as much as $80M. Lets just use $72M to be safe. We would have roughly $39.5M to pay DragicX2 & MorrisX2 and any other players.

This is what our $35.5M Signed line-up will look like:

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
--------/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren
-------/-------/-------
Len/Plumlee

[NTB]

So guys can someone enlighten me about our salary cap situation? We will give Bledsoe 14 MD/year, will we be able to keep Dragic (13-14 MD/year) and MoBros and Green at the same time?

We are on the books for a Guaranteed $10M (not counting Bledsoe as we dont know how the structure is yet). Thats with Dragic/Morris/Morris not taking their QO's and us not picking up our team options on Len/Toliver/Plumlee/Goodwin. Now the image hasnt been updated to show Tucker yet, but he is making $5.5M in 2015-2016, so that puts us up to $15.7M. Bledsoe will be somewhere between $12M & $14M, so lets just say $13M, bringing our total to $28.5M.

Im betting we keep our team option on Len($3.8M)/Goodwin($1.1M)/Plumlee($2.1M) so that equals out to $7M ($35.5M Total).

The Salary Cap this season is $63M, and with a new TV deal set in place, some are saying the cap could jump up to as much as $80M. Lets just use $72M to be safe. We would have roughly $39.5M to pay DragicX2 & MorrisX2 and any other players.

This is what our $35.5M Signed line-up will look like:

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
--------/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren
-------/-------/-------
Len/Plumlee

So we have $39.5 M to keep Dragic x2 / Morris x2 / Green. Am i right?

[Kerrsed]

So we have $39.5 M to keep Dragic x2 / Morris x2 / Green. Am i right?

Rough estimate, yes. No one know exactly what the cap will be, but a lot of experts are talking about $80M as the new TV deal goes into effect that year. I used a consertive number for the cap ($72M) to come up with the $39.5M, but if the cap is indeed higher, so is our capspace to sign players.

I dont think we will bring Green back after this season, as we will have a starting SG and starting SF locked into place with solid young back-ups on rookie contracts eager for the minutes.

[asudevil]

So guys can someone enlighten me about our salary cap situation? We will give Bledsoe 14 MD/year, will we be able to keep Dragic (13-14 MD/year) and MoBros and Green at the same time?

For the most part yes, but the suns have no cap space to add any FA players next season. So unless we make trades to upgrade our talent, then the roster you see this season will be the same the following. That factors in the suns resigning Markieff/Marcus and of course keeping Dragic.

[RunDogGun]

So guys can someone enlighten me about our salary cap situation? We will give Bledsoe 14 MD/year, will we be able to keep Dragic (13-14 MD/year) and MoBros and Green at the same time?

For the most part yes, but the suns have no cap space to add any FA players next season. So unless we make trades to upgrade our talent, then the roster you see this season will be the same the following. That factors in the suns resigning Markieff/Marcus and of course keeping Dragic.

Plus the one to three first rounders we have next draft. But more than likely we combine those picks or trade to improve our roster.

Unfortunately, I think we part ways with Green after this season. But the good news is we still have a lot of good young players hungry to prove themselves.

[asudevil]

So guys can someone enlighten me about our salary cap situation? We will give Bledsoe 14 MD/year, will we be able to keep Dragic (13-14 MD/year) and MoBros and Green at the same time?

We are on the books for a Guaranteed $10M (not counting Bledsoe as we dont know how the structure is yet). Thats with Dragic/Morris/Morris not taking their QO's and us not picking up our team options on Len/Toliver/Plumlee/Goodwin. Now the image hasnt been updated to show Tucker yet, but he is making $5.5M in 2015-2016, so that puts us up to $15.7M. Bledsoe will be somewhere between $12M & $14M, so lets just say $13M, bringing our total to $28.5M.

Im betting we keep our team option on Len($3.8M)/Goodwin($1.1M)/Plumlee($2.1M) so that equals out to $7M ($35.5M Total).

The Salary Cap this season is $63M, and with a new TV deal set in place, some are saying the cap could jump up to as much as $80M. Lets just use $72M to be safe. We would have roughly $39.5M to pay DragicX2 & MorrisX2 and any other players.

This is what our $35.5M Signed line-up will look like:

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
--------/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren
-------/-------/-------
Len/Plumlee

your numbers confuse me just a little:

Len/Thomas/Plumlee/Ennis/Warren/Goodwin/Tucker = $22.5mil
Beasley = $.78mil (almost 100% that we stretched that chunk we bought him out for over 3 years.)
Tolliver = $.4mil of 2015/16 is guaranteed
Bledsoe = IF he is 5/70 with 7.5% raises he starts at $12mil, so 2015/16 is probably $13mil

$36.7mil total....and if the cap next year is $72mil that leaves us with $35.3mil

If we are lucky, then LA will have a high-ish lotto pick and we will have a later 1st, so that will be about $4mil total in cap holds for that. So now we are down to $31mil.

Dragic/Markieff/Marcus/Green also have their cap holds which total $32.75mil. So, unless we renounce our rights to all 4 of those guys then we have no cap space to spend on FAs next offseason.

[LukasBMW]

So guys can someone enlighten me about our salary cap situation? We will give Bledsoe 14 MD/year, will we be able to keep Dragic (13-14 MD/year) and MoBros and Green at the same time?

We are on the books for a Guaranteed $10M (not counting Bledsoe as we dont know how the structure is yet). Thats with Dragic/Morris/Morris not taking their QO's and us not picking up our team options on Len/Toliver/Plumlee/Goodwin. Now the image hasnt been updated to show Tucker yet, but he is making $5.5M in 2015-2016, so that puts us up to $15.7M. Bledsoe will be somewhere between $12M & $14M, so lets just say $13M, bringing our total to $28.5M.

Im betting we keep our team option on Len($3.8M)/Goodwin($1.1M)/Plumlee($2.1M) so that equals out to $7M ($35.5M Total).

The Salary Cap this season is $63M, and with a new TV deal set in place, some are saying the cap could jump up to as much as $80M. Lets just use $72M to be safe. We would have roughly $39.5M to pay DragicX2 & MorrisX2 and any other players.

This is what our $35.5M Signed line-up will look like:

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
--------/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren
-------/-------/-------
Len/Plumlee

We are in a very good position.

[JTrain]

Here's the response to the big news from teammates on social media so far:

[NTB]

Do we have Bird rights on Dragic?

[phrazbit]

Yes, we have bird rights on Dragic.

[phrazbit]

And I would not get too attached to Green, and I certainly would not sweat re-signing him a year from now, which I'd almost guarantee will not happen.

I think Green's role is going to shrink, he will have to play most of his minutes at the 3, which will keep him off the court frequently for matchup reasons (because he cant defend anyone), and if TJ Warren comes out strong then Green's minutes will erode rapidly. IMO he is the most likely to be traded player on the roster, and I would not be all that shocked if it happened before the season started.

[Revived]

So guys can someone enlighten me about our salary cap situation? We will give Bledsoe 14 MD/year, will we be able to keep Dragic (13-14 MD/year) and MoBros and Green at the same time?

Lol no we won't be able to keep Dragic at $13-$14M/yr...not because of salary cap reasons but because Dragic would literally die laughing if we made him that offer.

I doubt a team like the Lakers blinks before offering him that fat max contract.

[NTB]

So if we have bird rights on Dragic, would we add a star player and then sign Dragic? I think we would. So we can add a star while we are keeping our core.

[bwgood77]

So guys can someone enlighten me about our salary cap situation? We will give Bledsoe 14 MD/year, will we be able to keep Dragic (13-14 MD/year) and MoBros and Green at the same time?

We are on the books for a Guaranteed $10M (not counting Bledsoe as we dont know how the structure is yet). Thats with Dragic/Morris/Morris not taking their QO's and us not picking up our team options on Len/Toliver/Plumlee/Goodwin. Now the image hasnt been updated to show Tucker yet, but he is making $5.5M in 2015-2016, so that puts us up to $15.7M. Bledsoe will be somewhere between $12M & $14M, so lets just say $13M, bringing our total to $28.5M.

Im betting we keep our team option on Len($3.8M)/Goodwin($1.1M)/Plumlee($2.1M) so that equals out to $7M ($35.5M Total).

The Salary Cap this season is $63M, and with a new TV deal set in place, some are saying the cap could jump up to as much as $80M. Lets just use $72M to be safe. We would have roughly $39.5M to pay DragicX2 & MorrisX2 and any other players.

This is what our $35.5M Signed line-up will look like:

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
--------/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren
-------/-------/-------
Len/Plumlee

TV deal doesn't kick in for two years, so next year the cap has been projected to go up to 66.5, but the year after a big jump (unless the NBA sticks to their guns about raising it slowly if possible).

Various media outlets reported late Friday that the NBA had issued new projections for the salary cap and luxury tax thresholds for next season. The final figures are issued in July and are based off of "Basketball Related Income." The early projections are positive and show a little more wiggle room for teams going into next season. From luxury tax expert Larry Coon:

The NBA issued new projections for the 2014-15 and 2015-16 salary cap and luxury tax thresholds. The 2014-15 salary cap is now projected to be $63.2 million and the tax level is projected to be $77.0 million. The numbers for 2015-16 are now projected to be $66.5 million and $81.0 million, respectively.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... nticipated

The NBA salary cap is expected to increase some again for 2015-16 then make a much bigger leap the year after that when the money from a new national television deal floods the market.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... 8-million/

With $4 million in cap holds for our draft picks, that leaves about $26 million. That number doesn't really matter though, because with bird rights we can go over the cap and luxury tax is estimated to be $81. Now getting other free agents...probably not if we keep people.