NBA ChoK16 - the Rich Cho Thread

SWedd523 · Post #361 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Aug 9, 2014 6:55 pm

Unfortunately, things here in the real world don't quite operate the same way they do in 2K land.

You can't just assume we were in the position to sign those players for the exact same deals. Maybe we offered the same money (or more?) and they decided they didn't want to play here? How do we know Marvin wasn't the only vet willing to sign a short deal to knowingly play as a stop-gap while we develop two younger guys to take their job?

How about instead of standing on some strange soap box complaining about things "we coulda done", we just judge things based on the merit of what actually occurred?

I don't personally care if luck played into the draft or the Lance signing. The only thing that matters is that they happened. I'm not going to backhand compliment Cho because it "could've not happened", because it fits my superiority complex narrative like some of you have said in as many words.

The facts of the matter are that we drafted two guys who were pretty universally rated higher than where we got them. One projects to be a highly skilled big man who can step into our future opening at PF/C and the other addresses our dire need for shooting off the bench. By all accounts, we had a great draft.

We followed that up by signing one of the best shooting backup PGs in the league on a short, cheap deal. He can space the floor and play off the ball when/if he sees floor time with Lance. We also brought in a great veteran leader on a short, manageable deal in Marvin, who already has rapport with Al and ties to the area. Then, of course, we brought in Lance. You know, that guy who many people have said has All-Star potential and signed arguably the biggest bargain deal of the offseason.

Things weren't all peachy though. McBob rejected our offer and instead signed a better deal with Miami. That warrants a ding, but it's mitigated by the fact that we brought in a guy who can replace his secondary ball handling (Lance) and spacing at the 4 (Marvin). We also lost valuable role-players in Tolliver and potentially CDR. Those guys seemed to be roster casualties, so there may not have been space for them... but they'll definitely be missed.

Overall, we nailed the draft and brought in more quality talent in the FA market than we lost while maintaining our future cap flexibility. Therefore, in my eyes at least, we had a pretty damn successful.

mrknowitall215 · Post #362 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sat Aug 9, 2014 6:56 pm

jdm3 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
jdm3 wrote:How? Who fit our price tag provided shooting we wanted and would take a two year deal? I don't think there were many players out there who fit our needs and plan.

Mo Williams signed a 1-year deal with Minnesota for $3.75 million and Jameer Nelson signed a 2-year deal with Dallas worth $3 million annually. I would've much rather preferred to sign one of them over Brian Roberts

As far as the Marvin Williams debacle out of desperation, I don't need to list the long list of players that would've been better fits despite not being able to shoot 3-pointers. I'm not one in the belief that we need a PF that can stretch the floor as much as I believe we need a PF that can help Jefferson defend the paint

Roberts averages more win shares per 48 and more points per 100 possessions than either of those two last season. It is tough to see who is better but like you said both the other guys got paid more annually.

The team sees the need at PF as a shooting spot. If you had gotten you wish it would have been a disaster as it would not fit the needs of the team. Even if you thought the player was better if he wasn't going to be used correctly then what's the point.

Let's just say that I think we'll be harping on needing upgrades at PF and backup PG come trade deadline. I hope Marvin Williams & Brian Roberts fulfill their roles admirably, but based on my pre-evaluation of them before becoming a part of the Hornets, neither will be that productive

BeesWax · Post #363 » by **BeesWax** » Sat Aug 9, 2014 7:17 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Mo Williams signed a 1-year deal with Minnesota for $3.75 million and Jameer Nelson signed a 2-year deal with Dallas worth $3 million annually. I would've much rather preferred to sign one of them over Brian Roberts

As far as the Marvin Williams debacle out of desperation, I don't need to list the long list of players that would've been better fits despite not being able to shoot 3-pointers. I'm not one in the belief that we need a PF that can stretch the floor as much as I believe we need a PF that can help Jefferson defend the paint

Roberts averages more win shares per 48 and more points per 100 possessions than either of those two last season. It is tough to see who is better but like you said both the other guys got paid more annually.

The team sees the need at PF as a shooting spot. If you had gotten you wish it would have been a disaster as it would not fit the needs of the team. Even if you thought the player was better if he wasn't going to be used correctly then what's the point.

Let's just say that I think we'll be harping on needing upgrades at PF and backup PG come trade deadline. I hope Marvin Williams & Brian Roberts fulfill their roles admirably, but based on my pre-evaluation of them before becoming a part of the Hornets, neither will be that productive

I have a feeling no matter who we signed at PF we would be wanting an upgrade. There just were not great two year options out there that fit our system. I think we will be fine at PG.

Eoghan · Post #364 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Aug 9, 2014 7:22 pm

Lance was a win. I really like the Roberts signing. I really dislike the Marvin Williams signing, much rather prefer giving McBob more years like the contract the Heat gave him. The draft I think was pretty good but I don't think either guy is ready to contribute much this year. Not finding away to move Hendo or Neal for better bench depth is disappointing.

Overall, I think we took a couple of steps back but a little bit more steps forward for a small but noticeable improvement.

Post #365 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Aug 9, 2014 7:36 pm

BrotherDave wrote:Not finding away to move Hendo or Neal for better bench depth is disappointing.

Interesting. I kind of viewed the Lance signing as moving Hendo to the bench, which does give us better depth. I actually really like the prospect of starting MKG and Lance at the 2 and 3 spots and bringing Hendo off the bench.

Post #366 » by **JDR720** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:02 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hornets/status/515165522284261376[/tweet]

Liver_Pooty · Post #367 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:07 pm

JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/hornets/status/515165522284261376[/tweet]

Is it just me or is this completely out of no where? Kinda odd.

LamarMatic7 · Post #368 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:15 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/hornets/status/515165522284261376[/tweet]

Is it just me or is this completely out of no where? Kinda odd.

Maybe TMZ is about to leak the Lance Stephenson domestic violence tape.

Liver_Pooty · Post #369 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:19 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/hornets/status/515165522284261376[/tweet]

Is it just me or is this completely out of no where? Kinda odd.

Maybe TMZ is about to leak the Lance Stephenson domestic violence tape.

Lol gah. Im honestly surprised ESPN has brought that up. They brought up James Harrisons ordeal that happened in 08 yesterday.

LamarMatic7 · Post #370 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:34 pm

just started.

LamarMatic7 · Post #371 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:37 pm

There have been initial talks with Kemba on extension and they've just started. Not that Cho would say much about it, of course.

LamarMatic7 · Post #372 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:40 pm

Interesting that Gary Neal is mentioned already twice in the same breath as the MKGs, Kembas and Codies as the hard workers during the summer.

Neal's lost 20 pounds and is in great shape (yep, the time of the year when everybody has either gained weight and looks incredible or lost weight and looks incredible)

Post #373 » by **fatlever** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:42 pm

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell 34s

Noah Vonleh (sports hernia) has started doing some on-court work. Cho says no other injuries going into camp.

Steve Reed ‏@SteveReedAP 1m

Cho says Gary Neal has lost around 23 pounds and has made a huge commitment. MKG has worked on shot and made strides. Cody, too.

Steve Reed ‏@SteveReedAP 1m

Cho says Noah Vanleh is doing well in recovery; team has no other injuries heading into camp.

Steve Reed ‏@SteveReedAP 2m

Cho: The goal is the make the playoffs and improve on what we did last year. And for each player to get better each day.

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell 3m

Cho says there have been some initial talks with Kemba Walker's agent about an extension. That would have to get done by end of October.

Charlotte Hornets ‏@hornets 5m

Cho: With our new group of players we feel like we've added some much-needed shooting and depth

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell 6m

"First time in a while we have stability in our coaching staff." -- Cho.

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell 7m

"Probably (as excited) as any time in my 19 years in the NBA" -- Cho on Hornets' prospects.

Post #374 » by **fatlever** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:42 pm

Charlotte Hornets ‏@hornets 1m

Cho on players who have improved the most over the offseason: @KembaWalker #GaryNeal, @CodyZeller and @MKG14 got after it

Steve Reed ‏@SteveReedAP 2m

Cho says Kemba looks terrfic too. Worked on a little bit of everything. his range shooting. He was in Charlotte more this year, more focused

Steve Reed ‏@SteveReedAP 2m

Cho says Gary Neal has lost around 23 pounds and has made a huge commitment. MKG has worked on shot and made strides. Cody, too.

Post #375 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:43 pm

Jason Maxiell coming to town, interesting.

Liver_Pooty · Post #376 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:44 pm

Signing Jason Maxiell tomorrow. Interesting.

Post #377 » by **fatlever** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:44 pm

i've heard neal mentioned several times as one of the players who has worked the hardest this off-season. i dont think the neal we saw last year is nearly the best version. i wont get too excited until we see it, but its very possible that neal is a bigger part of the rotation that we thought.

Post #378 » by **fatlever** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:44 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Signing Jason Maxiell tomorrow. Interesting.

ok, that works. seems like a blue collar, hard working, lockerroom kinda guy that will know his role.

Post #379 » by **fatlever** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:45 pm

gonna make a maxiel thread

Liver_Pooty · Post #380 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:45 pm

fatlever wrote:i've heard neal mentioned several times as one of the players who has worked the hardest this off-season. i dont think the neal we saw last year is nearly the best version. i wont get too excited until we see it, but its very possible that neal is a bigger part of the rotation that we thought.

If he did indeed lose 23 pounds than he must have put in a ton of work, and had a hell of a diet.