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Post#1721 » by ShawnBronald » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:06 pm

NaturalBuns wrote:I hope not Len looked slow last year


That's because he was injured (and/or recovering from injury).
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Post#1722 » by Saberestar » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:30 pm

Eric Bledsoe Visits Home
Before the start of the 2013-14 season, Eric Bledsoe took a trip back to his old stomping grounds.

http://www.nba.com/suns/video/2014/09/24/bledsoemov//#
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Post#1723 » by Nando88 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:54 pm

Lebron's hand is obviously in the klutch sports pot. How does the league allow that? Like how jay z can't own a sports agency and be an owner.


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Post#1724 » by bwgood77 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:54 pm

BurningHeart wrote:I don't care about the process so much as the attitude and inaccuracy involved, how it reflects his personality and mindset, how they try to paint the Phoenix Suns (much like when people try to demonize "evil" corporations or some ****) and how similar it is to many other people that I can't stand, that I feel are helping to ruin sports and other aspects of our society. These types of things get dismissed and dismissed and dismissed until one day one realizes that a wholly inaccurate narrative has taken hold and one that is completely unbreakable no matter what the facts truly are. Another example involving the Suns? "SSOL teams under D'Antoni never ever ever played defense." Reasonable, intelligent Suns fans are STILL trying to break down that one.

Sorry if he makes those traits clear as day, and sorry if I don't particularly enjoy having these types on my team. I will not "let it go." If you don't like it, you can put me on ignore. I can and will take examples that reflect why I feel the way I feel to show what I mean.

My opinions or feelings are not baseless and I am sick and tired of the notion that sports fans don't or shouldn't *actually* feel things or that any negative feelings toward a player or team are automatically to be dismissed as without merit. That's where that whole "hating on" garbage came from and it's really dumb.

Let his ass actually prove something before getting his Cleveland butt buddy to chime in on his behalf acting like he and their precious little clique had been wronged somehow.


Like I said to you before, I bet there is a 95% chance Paul (and possibly) LeBron advised Bledsoe to say nothing and to let Paul handle it. There is a very good chance he was extremely frustrated through this entire process and there is also a pretty good possibility that after being a little shy most of the summer about speaking up, that he finally did and said he wants guaranteed money, to please just hammer out a deal. Because I found it very odd they come forward a week before they had to. Why wait 2 1/2 months and not the final week?

I think it's proper to blame Bledsoe's agent, but Bledsoe clearly wasn't handling things, as they rarely do.

And I SERIOUSLY doubt he is telling LeBron to tweet on his behalf...he's not that type of guy...that is Paul, LeBron's long time buddy or just LeBron doing his own thing.

I've never been a huge fan of Bledsoe's demeanor or whatever you want to call it, but I accept that he is shy, and just kind of grew up around entitled guys in college and hangs out with them now. I like guys that are a little more humble, outspoken, positive, etc, but I don't hold it against him. I doubt he'll ever be my favorite player, but I sure as hell want him on my team given the current landscape of the league and who else is available to us.
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Post#1725 » by Fo-Real » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:09 pm

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Looks like Tolliver and Archie tried to come in YOKED this year!!
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Post#1726 » by AtheJ415 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:46 pm

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Read a tweet about Bledsoe that made me do some digging. Apparently his Junior year of high school his family was so poor they lived out of their car. Sort of explains why Bledsoe held out for more money during negotiations.


Not really. If you think a person with a poor family would gamble a $48 million deal to win an additional $6 mil if he got the max after taking the QO, I'm not sure what to say.
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Post#1727 » by SideSwipe » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:48 pm

We still need to get a third big guy to help round out the team. Preferably a big guy who can block and rebound and hopefully can hit free throws. Here are some targets that I think may be achievable if we can't get a guy like Okafor or O'neal. With Ennis, Randolph and maybe Goodwin as trade bait, we might be able to get one of the following.

O'quinn
Gobert
Withey
Aldrich
Biyombo
Henson

Each of those guys are relatively high on the list of PER36 shot blockers, and most are decent rebounders as well. I would prefer to get one that also hits freethrows above a 60% rate to help assure that they can stay on the floor when needed, but the rebounding and shot-blocking are more key, in my mind, since we also have Plumlee and Len.
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Post#1728 » by bwgood77 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:19 pm

SideSwipe wrote:We still need to get a third big guy to help round out the team. Preferably a big guy who can block and rebound and hopefully can hit free throws. Here are some targets that I think may be achievable if we can't get a guy like Okafor or O'neal. With Ennis, Randolph and maybe Goodwin as trade bait, we might be able to get one of the following.

O'quinn
Gobert
Withey
Aldrich
Biyombo
Henson

Each of those guys are relatively high on the list of PER36 shot blockers, and most are decent rebounders as well. I would prefer to get one that also hits freethrows above a 60% rate to help assure that they can stay on the floor when needed, but the rebounding and shot-blocking are more key, in my mind, since we also have Plumlee and Len.


Did anyone ever sign Okafor?
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Post#1729 » by SunZel » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:22 pm

I'm worried about Archie. He seems really impatient to start or get big minutes, and with the new additions it seems like it will be a repeat of last year. I remember in his post game interview after a good game against the kings he said that if he got more minutes he would play like that more often. I wanna see Archie get some burn but the dude is extremely young, he has time...
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Post#1730 » by Scutt » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:14 pm

BurningHeart wrote:
My opinions or feelings are not baseless and I am sick and tired of the notion that sports fans don't or shouldn't *actually* feel things or that any negative feelings toward a player or team are automatically to be dismissed as without merit. That's where that whole "hating on" garbage came from and it's really dumb.



Well aren't you the pot calling the kettle black. You need to take a look in the mirror bro. You seem to have no problem automatically dismissing other posters negative opinions when they are not aligned with your own. Here is a post that you directed at me a few months back because I voiced my concern about having Goran Dragic as the Suns best player:

BurningHeart wrote

"This team went from 20 wins to 48 wins in a single year largely because of Goran Dragic and you still have people whining about "franchise players" and "tanking" to get some loser in a draft and still think someone can go from worst to first. Newsflash, guy: This IS our rebuild. The team took massive strides last year and told you and cancerous douchebags LIKE you who would rather foster a losing culture to shove it up your ass. Go back to playing NBA2K because your preferred way doesn't work in real life.

Guess what, your "sainted" 2014 #1 pick that everyone jizzed over for the last two years is getting dealt for a superstar NBA player that nobody came close to expecting would be this good.

Good grief. Another one to the ignore list. I'd prefer it if none of you guys quoted this guy ever again. Thanks."

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Post#1731 » by aIvin adams » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:51 pm

Scutt wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:
My opinions or feelings are not baseless and I am sick and tired of the notion that sports fans don't or shouldn't *actually* feel things or that any negative feelings toward a player or team are automatically to be dismissed as without merit. That's where that whole "hating on" garbage came from and it's really dumb.



Well aren't you the pot calling the kettle black. You need to take a look in the mirror bro. You seem to have no problem automatically dismissing other posters negative opinions when they are not aligned with your own. Here is a post that you directed at me a few months back because I voiced my concern about having Goran Dragic as the Suns best player:

BurningHeart wrote

"This team went from 20 wins to 48 wins in a single year largely because of Goran Dragic and you still have people whining about "franchise players" and "tanking" to get some loser in a draft and still think someone can go from worst to first. Newsflash, guy: This IS our rebuild. The team took massive strides last year and told you and cancerous douchebags LIKE you who would rather foster a losing culture to shove it up your ass. Go back to playing NBA2K because your preferred way doesn't work in real life.

Guess what, your "sainted" 2014 #1 pick that everyone jizzed over for the last two years is getting dealt for a superstar NBA player that nobody came close to expecting would be this good.

Good grief. Another one to the ignore list. I'd prefer it if none of you guys quoted this guy ever again. Thanks."

You can sure dish it out BurningHeart, why don't you lean to take it too?


haha that seems like a pretty good get. BH you gotta hand it to him.
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Post#1732 » by BurningHeart » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:25 pm

I see nothing wrong with criticizing those who would rather have a losing culture than a winning one.

*shrug*

Thanks for quoting that guy though. Wouldn't have seen his post if you didn't.
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Post#1733 » by Sunsdeuce » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:59 pm

BurningHeart wrote:I see nothing wrong with criticizing those who would rather have a losing culture than a winning one.

*shrug*

Thanks for quoting that guy though. Wouldn't have seen his post if you didn't.

It's part of being a fan. I wonder about those that have no complaints or play the blind eye when things aren't going well. I would hope each one of us comment on things they don't quite like or wanted changed. This forum would f$&&ing boring if everyone thought everything is perfect,

I'm in the line of thinking, its equal opportunity among everyone within the suns organization to get praise and to be criticized. As great as Ryan Mcd has been, there is things he has whiffed on. He hasn't exactly nailed the two drafts he has been involved in. As well, he hasn't developed a balanced roster either.

I think tucker is this team's biggest weak link. Many people don't agree but I'm not going to fall in line with other peoples line of thinking on this. It's not going to happen.

I'm still not satisfied with this roster. Small ball, which we will be running with does not work. Teams can sneak in the playoffs with this style but they are not real threats during the playoffs. I think we might sneak into the playoffs were not close to winning a championship (sorry I'm not churching up this team). Yes we are going to be fun and exciting but not quite championship material until we improve our front line!

Far as I'm concerned, I don't want burning heart to change. The last thing we need here is a bunch of drones.


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Post#1734 » by Revived » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:00 pm

Scutt wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:
My opinions or feelings are not baseless and I am sick and tired of the notion that sports fans don't or shouldn't *actually* feel things or that any negative feelings toward a player or team are automatically to be dismissed as without merit. That's where that whole "hating on" garbage came from and it's really dumb.



Well aren't you the pot calling the kettle black. You need to take a look in the mirror bro. You seem to have no problem automatically dismissing other posters negative opinions when they are not aligned with your own. Here is a post that you directed at me a few months back because I voiced my concern about having Goran Dragic as the Suns best player:

BurningHeart wrote

"This team went from 20 wins to 48 wins in a single year largely because of Goran Dragic and you still have people whining about "franchise players" and "tanking" to get some loser in a draft and still think someone can go from worst to first. Newsflash, guy: This IS our rebuild. The team took massive strides last year and told you and cancerous douchebags LIKE you who would rather foster a losing culture to shove it up your ass. Go back to playing NBA2K because your preferred way doesn't work in real life.

Guess what, your "sainted" 2014 #1 pick that everyone jizzed over for the last two years is getting dealt for a superstar NBA player that nobody came close to expecting would be this good.

Good grief. Another one to the ignore list. I'd prefer it if none of you guys quoted this guy ever again. Thanks."

You can sure dish it out BurningHeart, why don't you lean to take it too?

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Post#1735 » by aIvin adams » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:24 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
Far as I'm concerned, I don't want burning heart to change. The last thing we need here is a bunch of drones.


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Post#1736 » by MathiasPW » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:29 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:I'm still not satisfied with this roster. Small ball, which we will be running with does not work. Teams can sneak in the playoffs with this style but they are not real threats during the playoffs. I think we might sneak into the playoffs were not close to winning a championship (sorry I'm not churching up this team).

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Didn't Miami win 2 championships playing small ball? (they also lost one too, this year, but still...)

I agree it's a less proven strategy than a strong defense/tall frontcourt one (which has way more titles in the past decade or more), but can't say it does not work.
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Post#1737 » by Zelaznyrules » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:44 pm

I don't think we have enough talent to win it all. I don't believe we'll lose out because of small ball. If TJ Warren turns out to be Michael Jordan's improved clone, we'll play small and win it all. Okay, that's not going to happen but the point is we need at least one more game changer. It makes sense to get one at the 4 or the 5 spot because we are clearly weakest at the power positions but a killer small forward would probably do the trick too.
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Post#1738 » by letsgosuns » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:45 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:I see nothing wrong with criticizing those who would rather have a losing culture than a winning one.

*shrug*

Thanks for quoting that guy though. Wouldn't have seen his post if you didn't.

It's part of being a fan. I wonder about those that have no complaints or play the blind eye when things aren't going well. I would hope each one of us comment on things they don't quite like or wanted changed. This forum would f$&&ing boring if everyone thought everything is perfect,

I'm in the line of thinking, its equal opportunity among everyone within the suns organization to get praise and to be criticized. As great as Ryan Mcd has been, there is things he has whiffed on. He hasn't exactly nailed the two drafts he has been involved in. As well, he hasn't developed a balanced roster either.

I think tucker is this team's biggest weak link. Many people don't agree but I'm not going to fall in line with other peoples line of thinking on this. It's not going to happen.

I'm still not satisfied with this roster. Small ball, which we will be running with does not work. Teams can sneak in the playoffs with this style but they are not real threats during the playoffs. I think we might sneak into the playoffs were not close to winning a championship (sorry I'm not churching up this team). Yes we are going to be fun and exciting but not quite championship material until we improve our front line!

Far as I'm concerned, I don't want burning heart to change. The last thing we need here is a bunch of drones.


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I totally agree about small ball. The Suns roster is filled with extremely talented guards and then there is a major drop off in talent after that. P.J. Tucker might be the heart of the team, and I like him, but he is not a starting caliber player. You could get away with him starting if the Suns had a more reliable scoring frontcourt, but right now they do not. From what I have heard and read, it sounds like the team is banking on major improvements from Len and Plumlee and continued improvement from Markieff Morris. I hope that comes to fruition. I am waiting to judge McD on the draft though. I am going to give his picks a few years before I look back and say whether they were good picks or not. I do think Ennis and/or Bogdanovich were drafted to be traded at a later date. Both of those guys hold real value as assets for a team looking to rebuild. I imagine there are things happening behind the scenes that no one has a clue about, especially the media. This front office truly works behind closed doors and it is very refreshing to see the Suns organization do that.
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Post#1739 » by aIvin adams » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:53 pm

G Dragic / Thomas ... / Archie
Bledsoe / ... / Z Dragic
Tucker / Green ... / Warren
Mk Morris .. / Mc Morris
Plumlee / Len


sick. i'm not sure if we'll be seeing the Morrises around after this season. if they play as well or better than they did last year, then maybe the suns pay to keep them, i dunno.

Len is the low hanging fruit for team improvement this season. Cmon big guy..
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Post#1740 » by thamadkant » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:00 pm

SideSwipe wrote:We still need to get a third big guy to help round out the team. Preferably a big guy who can block and rebound and hopefully can hit free throws. Here are some targets that I think may be achievable if we can't get a guy like Okafor or O'neal. With Ennis, Randolph and maybe Goodwin as trade bait, we might be able to get one of the following.

O'quinn
Gobert
Withey
Aldrich
Biyombo
Henson

Each of those guys are relatively high on the list of PER36 shot blockers, and most are decent rebounders as well. I would prefer to get one that also hits freethrows above a 60% rate to help assure that they can stay on the floor when needed, but the rebounding and shot-blocking are more key, in my mind, since we also have Plumlee and Len.



I'm also looking at Hornets Suns trades..

I like Biyombo.... could be Okafor V2.0 (lite).

Will give you 10 rebounds and 2.5 blocks with 30 minutes.



I also like Henson.... can be molded to Ibaka-lite.... guy put up 10/7/1.7 in 26 minutes.

But both cannot be relied on in the offensive end.

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