Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

No-Man · Post #1761 » by **No-Man** » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:37 pm

Warren is a pretty good old school scorer, in the mold of a Cedric Ceballos, but I dont see him as an NBA starter in a competitive team, like a contender, more like in a 6th man role, and he is not a floor spacer so in dont really see the fit with Dragic or Bledsoe, can he outplay Marcus Morris for the back-up PF role? sure, or even become the back-up SF if Green gets traded, but not much more.

Flying Colors · Post #1762 » by **Flying Colors** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:10 am

Has Cousins matured as a person? Maybe a change of scenery is what he need, sacramento was pretty toxic for most of his NBA career

Jdiddy701 · Post #1763 » by **Jdiddy701** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:11 am

I just wanna take this time out and say thank you to all those that copy and paste tweets in this forum!

To those that don't know, if you use the Realgm App and you embed and tweet in the forum it doesn't show.

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Sunsdeuce · Post #1764 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:19 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I just wanna take this time out and say thank you to all those that copy and paste tweets in this forum!

To those that don't know, if you use the Realgm App and you embed and tweet in the forum it doesn't show.

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Yeah, I use the mobile version a lot. If there is not pic in the tweet, I just copy and paste the tweet. But if there is a pick associated with the tweet, I go to the web version and embed it.

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phrazbit · Post #1765 » by **phrazbit** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:34 am

Sacramento is not trading Cousins, you guys can dump that fantasy. They're trying to do everything they can to have a competitive team for year 1 in their new arena, they have made this intention very clear. He is border-line untouchable.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1766 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:03 am

phrazbit wrote:Sacramento is not trading Cousins, you guys can dump that fantasy. They're trying to do everything they can to have a competitive team for year 1 in their new arena, they have made this intention very clear. He is border-line untouchable.

One thing I have learned about professional sports, Never say never. Quick example: Not long ago, Kevin love and Dwight Howard were untouchable. Things can change really quick.

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carey · Post #1767 » by **carey** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:16 am

Fischella wrote:
I expect Tolliver to get some minutes here and there as a specialist.

I think Tolliver was brought in to shoot the ball. He's going to be the first big off the bench unless Plumlee gets in early foul trouble and then it will be Len. Tolliver and Thomas will sub early. Kieff will then come back in with Marcus subbing for Tucker and they'll do the bro-show for a bit.

Nando88 · Post #1768 » by **Nando88** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:22 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I just wanna take this time out and say thank you to all those that copy and paste tweets in this forum!

To those that don't know, if you use the Realgm App and you embed and tweet in the forum it doesn't show.

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Same here bro! Lol I wish I could +1 you on the app lol

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phrazbit · Post #1769 » by **phrazbit** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:51 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
phrazbit wrote:Sacramento is not trading Cousins, you guys can dump that fantasy. They're trying to do everything they can to have a competitive team for year 1 in their new arena, they have made this intention very clear. He is border-line untouchable.

One thing I have learned about professional sports, Never say never. Quick example: Not long ago, Kevin love and Dwight Howard were untouchable. Things can change really quick.

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Both Howard and Love's trades were seen coming years before they happened. Yes, people did not know where they would go, but it was thought extremely likely that they'd be gone. I am not saying "never", I am saying it aint happening any time soon, and if it were to happen soon it would take a bonanza to pry him away.

No-Man · Post #1770 » by **No-Man** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:10 am

Cousins is lock until 2018 so yeah you will have to offer a lot to get him, but the Suns do have the assets.

if Sacramento realized that they are miles ahead of a PO season they should trade him, especially if you can get pretty good deals, he is probably the only big name in the move adn there are many teaams looking desperately for talent.

phrazbit · Post #1771 » by **phrazbit** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:24 am

I agree, if I'm Sacramento I think I'd cash in that chip. Their roster is not going to come close to competing, but they seem diluted enough to think it will (their moves have been very Lance Blankish). Cousins had the best year of his career statistically and his least crazy season in regards to him being a crazy person. His value will probably never be higher. But every indication is that they have no intention of dismantling this team. They want to get the strongest roster they can for the new building and Cousins is obviously their best player by a mile.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1772 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:27 am

phrazbit wrote:I agree, if I'm Sacramento I think I'd cash in that chip. Their roster is not going to come close to competing, but they seem diluted enough to think it will (their moves have been very Lance Blankish). Cousins had the best year of his career statistically and his least crazy season in regards to him being a crazy person. His value will probably never be higher.

One thing to remember, anything they have done up to last year means nothing now. New owner now, so it will be interesting to see how they are going to operate.

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sdballer · Post #1773 » by **sdballer** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:34 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
phrazbit wrote:I agree, if I'm Sacramento I think I'd cash in that chip. Their roster is not going to come close to competing, but they seem diluted enough to think it will (their moves have been very Lance Blankish). Cousins had the best year of his career statistically and his least crazy season in regards to him being a crazy person. His value will probably never be higher.

One thing to remember, anything they have done up to last year means nothing now. New owner now, so it will be interesting to see how they are going to operate.

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The new owner is the one that committed to him as the franchise cornerstone. Don't think there is any chance they are moving him.

phrazbit · Post #1774 » by **phrazbit** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:55 am

Yeah, the new owner is actually whats making me say they wont move him. To quote their GM (who their new owner hired) on their aspirations for their new arena :

The clock is ticking. We are going to do everything we can to be a competitive team when we get there. The fans have waited too long. They need to see something now. To put a bad product inside a gorgeous package doesn’t make sense.

http://grantland.com/features/sacrament ... -strategy/

IMO the only way Cousins gets moved in the next year or 2 is if he does something absolutely crazy and they can't deal with the PR of having him around... and if thats the case we probably wont want him either.

Post #1775 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:02 am

phrazbit wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
phrazbit wrote:Sacramento is not trading Cousins, you guys can dump that fantasy. They're trying to do everything they can to have a competitive team for year 1 in their new arena, they have made this intention very clear. He is border-line untouchable.

One thing I have learned about professional sports, Never say never. Quick example: Not long ago, Kevin love and Dwight Howard were untouchable. Things can change really quick.

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Both Howard and Love's trades were seen coming years before they happened. Yes, people did not know where they would go, but it was thought extremely likely that they'd be gone. I am not saying "never", I am saying it aint happening any time soon, and if it were to happen soon it would take a bonanza to pry him away.

The main thing is that those guys were near the end of their second contracts and were going to leave. Cousins has four years on his contract left. He isn't going anywhere.

JDLAW · Post #1776 » by **JDLAW** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:48 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
Fischella wrote:so unless any injury occur I'm guessing the main rotation will be,

Bledsoe-Thomas
Dragic-Dragic
Tucker-Green
Morris-Morris
Plumlee-Len

right? not much playing time for Ennis, expected, Goodwin, still raw and with Zoran in..., Warren, many guys ahead of him, and Randolph, not a NBA player.
I expect Tolliver to get some minutes here and there as a specialist.
I guess the first guy in if there are injuries will be TJ.

Its easy to see how it should work for the Suns in the future, re-sign Dragic, re-sign the Morris for a good deal giving the fact that you can offer both of them to stay togeter, let Green go and give his minutes to Warren/Goodwin, go for a big name for the frontcourt in the FA, draft the best available, and probably trade Ennis as soon as possible he is not going to get ANY playing time in the future and is a lost asset.

As much as I think (as of right this second, but those players might become good in time) Ryan Mcd whiffed on Alex Len and Ennis, warren just might redeem Ryan. Warren may be the steal of the draft. Many people (so called experts) are saying he will be the steal of the draft.

Reason I bring up warren is that warren may over take tucker on the depth chart close to the end of the year or beginning of next year. With Marcus and now warren, I think tucker will get traded within the next year/year and a half. Two reasons to trade tucker. 1) pick up a draft pick. 2) dump his salary to give a little extra room to resign the morrii. There are a few teams, I know would trade for him now.

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Don't think he whiffed on Len or Ennis. Len will take a little time, but he will be good. There are a lot of people who gave up on Robin Lopez, but he has become a top quality center after regaining his health.

Split T · Post #1777 » by **Split T** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:04 am

I think our best shot at a star player might be horford. If markieff takes another step and the lakers pick looks like 6-9 range, and Atlanta really struggles, a Morris brothers, Len, lakers pick for horford might make sense. Although millsap is essentially the Morris brothers morphed into one. But we could get a third team involved

Revived · Post #1778 » by **Revived** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:35 am

There's an idiot named "Shem" on the GB in the Bledsoe thread and he has to be one of the dumbest motha*** on the planet. And I don't mean dumb by just basketball standards, but everything.

Kerrsed schooled him at math and he threatened to report him to the admin because apparently, you can't point out the idiocy in someone if you are a mod.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1346523&start=220

Even a fellow Blazers fan went and put him on blast.

thamadkant · Post #1779 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:37 am

Cousin a 6'11 PF/C putting up 22/11/1.5 as an interior scorer aged 24 years old being traded?

Would be a dream for Suns but crazy stupid from Kings side...

Suns don't have the personnel to get it done as well... Bledsoe and Dragic would need to go back to Kings for them to even consider it.... By then it wouldn't make sense for Suns to trade stars for stars... The point is to pair the two guards with an elite big...

Ibaka is not elite but could be ideal PF next to Len if Len shows some improvement... Len's potential is still pretty intriguing.

asudevil · Post #1780 » by **asudevil** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:03 am

Split T wrote:I think our best shot at a star player might be horford. If markieff takes another step and the lakers pick looks like 6-9 range, and Atlanta really struggles, a Morris brothers, Len, lakers pick for horford might make sense. Although millsap is essentially the Morris brothers morphed into one. But we could get a third team involved

If Markieff takes another step wouldnt that put him that much closer to Horford. Just look at there per36 (which i know a lot of you hate, but the sample size is large enough)

18.6pts/8.4rbs/2.6asts with 0.9stls/1.5blks - Horford
18.6pts/8.1rbs/2.4asts with 1.1stls/0.9blks - Morris

the numbers are not that far off. Yeah, the arguement is there that we are comparing 1st vs 2nd string, but if you talking talent vs talent then over the course of 2000 minutes the numbers arent THAT skewed.

I think a lot of your are undervaluing what Markieff has accomplished. He's on the verge of a breakout year.

IMO you keep Markieff. He's one of two things. a.) a STUD force off the bench with Marcus/Thomas that elevate our 2nd string to unstoppable or b.) he makes the leap to star quality PF. He really isnt that far behind Horford, and when you factor in age/experience Markieff as all the ability to elevate his game. Afterall we are talking about 4 years experience that Horford has over Markieff.