ATL - Bledsoe signs with the Suns for 5/$70

Baddy Chuck · Post #101 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:03 am

WRau1 wrote:5'9 combo guards aren't assets, they are 6th men that a championship caliber club would MLE or trade a late 1st for.

I think that's debatable. For three seasons he improved his scoring drastically while keeping up ELITE efficiency numbers. Maybe he's a sixth man type, but he's closer to Jason Terry then say JJ Barea.

Post #102 » by **paulpressey25** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:07 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
WRau1 wrote:5'9 combo guards aren't assets, they are 6th men that a championship caliber club would MLE or trade a late 1st for.

I think that's debatable. For three seasons he improved his scoring drastically while keeping up ELITE efficiency numbers. Maybe he's a sixth man type, but he's closer to Jason Terry then say JJ Barea.

And yet his team that doesn't really have a good PG decided to let him move on. Not saying the Kings front office is smart though. BTW, Terry is a solid 6-2" IMO which is a significant difference in the NBA.

Post #103 » by **paulpressey25** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:13 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
On one hand you say the big name guys like lma won't be headed there next yr (which is probably true) but I'm also getting the impression you don't like the Thomas and Bledsoe signings.

I've been consistent with the Phoenix board all summer. They absolutely had to resign him as he is too valuable an asset. There was no choice as the way the NBA is set up, sometimes your breakout guys come up for a new contract before they have proven themselves over more than one season. But at the same time, he's a big risk and he's also part of a team that I'm not sure has a long run in them.

The Suns need to have either Len or TJ Warren make some sort of leap to an all star caliber player to get beyond a six to nine seed in the West. Or they need to make some sort of 3 for 1 trade that pays off big.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #104 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:08 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
WRau1 wrote:5'9 combo guards aren't assets, they are 6th men that a championship caliber club would MLE or trade a late 1st for.

I think that's debatable. For three seasons he improved his scoring drastically while keeping up ELITE efficiency numbers. Maybe he's a sixth man type, but he's closer to Jason Terry then say JJ Barea.

agreed. Thomas is nasty if hes the 3rd guard coming in behind Bledsoe and Dragic.

the suns now have arguably the best backcourt in the league and that's one hell of an asset for the franchise moving forward. all they need is some half decent bigs that can run, finish, and defend a little and they could have a serious problem for some people. a modern run tmc kind of thing like the warriors going on there now. I like them.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #105 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:32 pm

Rubio in the 11-12 mil range on a small market overpay looks like its gonna happen....basically that larry sanders uber role player kind of money. glad I wasn't losing my mind thinking all that max talk sounded insane.

Nebula1 · Post #106 » by **Nebula1** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:54 pm

I like the Bledsoe signing and like what Phoenix has done with their roster. I think they have a number of pieces they can put together for a trade and allows them a ton of flexibility.

I like their young talent as well, especially Goodwin and Len, but I imagine their roster is more about gathering assets to combine into a bigger trade down the line. Eventually Goodwin will be their starting 2 guard so something has to give.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #107 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:29 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
On one hand you say the big name guys like lma won't be headed there next yr (which is probably true) but I'm also getting the impression you don't like the Thomas and Bledsoe signings.

I've been consistent with the Phoenix board all summer. They absolutely had to resign him as he is too valuable an asset. There was no choice as the way the NBA is set up, sometimes your breakout guys come up for a new contract before they have proven themselves over more than one season. But at the same time, he's a big risk and he's also part of a team that I'm not sure has a long run in them.

The Suns need to have either Len or TJ Warren make some sort of leap to an all star caliber player to get beyond a six to nine seed in the West. Or they need to make some sort of 3 for 1 trade that pays off big.

right on I miss understand your stance. You're absolutely right they need one of their young guys to take a leap or 3 for 1 type trade.

My overall stance is its just too early to really label this team. The current regime has only been on the job for a little over a year. When McDonough took over as gm it was a pretty depressing roster and he did a nice job of turning dudley gortat and scola into younger assets. Who knows how things ultimately end up but it's premature to label them the Hawks of the west when even the suns front office would admit there's a long ways to go in the rebuild.

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raferfenix · Post #108 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:02 pm

Bledsoe resigning for so close to his asking price is very good for other restricted free agents negotiating in this kind of situation.

Maybe the Suns were going over the top playing such hardball -- but I'd base that on what their training staff really believes about the status of his knee.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #109 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:14 pm

raferfenix wrote:Bledsoe resigning for so close to his asking price is very good for other restricted free agents negotiating in this kind of situation.

Maybe the Suns were going over the top playing such hardball -- but I'd base that on what their training staff really believes about the status of his knee.

I don't think they would have paid him 70 mil if the suns training staff wasn't ok with his knee. This is the same staff the wouldn't clear amare when he was up for extension and the suns took Noel off their draft board after the staff wasn't comfortable with his knee. It's a well regarded training staff that the organization trusts and listens to.

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Baddy Chuck · Post #110 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:09 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:
WRau1 wrote:5'9 combo guards aren't assets, they are 6th men that a championship caliber club would MLE or trade a late 1st for.

I think that's debatable. For three seasons he improved his scoring drastically while keeping up ELITE efficiency numbers. Maybe he's a sixth man type, but he's closer to Jason Terry then say JJ Barea.

And yet his team that doesn't really have a good PG decided to let him move on. Not saying the Kings front office is smart though. BTW, Terry is a solid 6-2" IMO which is a significant difference in the NBA.

I don't really see how height plays into it honestly, he's proven to score at a very good rate in the NBA so far in his career and his height hasn't mattered there. Just because he's 5'9 doesn't mean he's Nate Robinson. Guys like JJ Barea sign for the MLE with contenders, guys who score 20 PPG on elite efficiency don't.

Chuck Diesel · Post #111 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:16 pm

Sacramento always makes sound front office decisions.

mattg · Post #112 » by **mattg** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:19 pm

From what I know of the kings they let Thomas walk because they don't like how he runs an offense, too shot happy and doesn't look for cousins enough. Also, he's viewed as major detriment defensively because he's so small. He's definitely a pesky/feisty defender, but at 5'9 that's only so effective. Pretty much all kings fans thought Ray mccallum was their best PG last season. Doesn't mean Thomas isn't valuable, I think his contract is fair, but he's definitely a 6th man type IMO.

engelmartin · Post #113 » by **engelmartin** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:36 pm

I think the real question is this: Brandon Jennings or Tyreke Evans, who you got?

AussieBuck · Post #114 » by **AussieBuck** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:46 pm

Seems like the deal Mo got out of us. Fine for the right team.

AussieBuck · Post #115 » by **AussieBuck** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:54 pm

engelmartin wrote:I think the real question is this: Brandon Jennings or Tyreke Evans, who you got?

Tyreke if I have to have one.

edit: I'd take the theoretical Jennings. Not often a player has their head that far up their ass.

stellation · Post #116 » by **stellation** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:23 am

1. Ricky Rubio is awesome
2. Ricky Rubio is not $11 million per year awesome

Post #117 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:35 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Eh. I'm not considering a 5-9" combo guard who turns 26 y/o, signing a 4/$28 deal being a steal. He's a good sixth man, but they paid market for him, and he's not an impact starter which was my point. i.e. PHX isn't luring an impact starter there in FA. Players like LMA aren't making the move to PHX next year if he's got a good offer from LA/NY or gets maxed by PDX.

$7m for Kyrie Irving stats on better TS% and efg% is a steal when you consider Kyrie just signed 5/$90 deal. If you can find me a PG with similar stats on a bargain deal, I'd love to see it.

Also most markets outside of NY/LA/DAL/CHI aren't particularly attractive FA destinations and some are downright avoided. PHX isn't an especially attractive FA destination but it does have a solid winning history and have brought in stars like Barkley, Nash and Kidd in the past.

But let's be honest, if PHX isn't a likely destination for LMA, then it's very unlikely he'd consider majority of other teams either. In the end, it's the money that will talk first and the loudest. I don't think PHX is any worse than the majority of other markets in the NBA.

Chuck Diesel · Post #118 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:00 am

AussieBuck wrote:Seems like the deal Mo got out of us. Fine for the right team.

Not far apart in yearly salary, but Thomas as 28 million over 4 years is obviously a way better deal than Mo at 52 mil over six. Thomas will be able to speak up in the locker room now that he's on his second contract.

eagle13 · Post #119 » by **eagle13** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:50 am

Unless Len breaks out (he won't) Suns would have been better off dealing Bledsoe to Wolves for Pekovic or Dieng. Suns still would have had a backcourt of Dragic Green Goodwin Thomas Ennis

No-Man · Post #120 » by **No-Man** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:54 am

People are missing the fact that the suns still got capspace, got a lot of assets and on top of them all they could easily end up getting a 6th pick in next years draft thanks to the Lakers.

lets see how Len develops, but even if they resign Dragic for 14-16m$, he will accept a discount since his brother is playing there, the same with the Morris twins, they could have capspace to target Aldridge or assets to make a trade for Cousins.

They need a big, and experience to be a championship caliber team, but they have all the tools.