OT: The WWE Thread

omerome · Post #2161 » by **omerome** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:57 pm

Butch718 wrote:Thank you Rollins!

I wish Cena weren't a part of Ambrose and Rollins feud. So damn annoying.

You'll never get rid of Cena. Neveeer! :lol:

wolfv · Post #2162 » by **wolfv** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:06 pm

Cena always has to team up with whoever the new popular guy is in order to make Cena appear cool again and get fans to cheer for him. Happened with Punk, Ryback, DB, Roman, now Ambrose... and it never works. If anything it just makes the new guy less popular

I really can't believe they continue to push Cena like this after years of fans begging them to stop. It's insane

Fury · Post #2163 » by **Fury** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:26 pm

wolfv wrote:Cena always has to team up with whoever the new popular guy is in order to make Cena appear cool again and get fans to cheer for him. Happened with Punk, Ryback, DB, Roman, now Ambrose... and it never works. If anything it just makes the new guy less popular

I really can't believe they continue to push Cena like this after years of fans begging them to stop. It's insane

In this instance, at least Cena and Ambrose already have tension. Also, because Brock is the champ, Cena needs something to do. The reason they keep him on top is because his merchandise sells more than everyone else combined. That may have to do a little bit with how they push Cena, how much merchandise of his they have available at arenas, and other factors, but it's not completely unwarranted. Cena draws a reaction, whether it's positive or negative depends on which part of the country they're at. But it's a reaction.

That being said, Cena is breaking down, and if they don't establish another dude, they'll be in big trouble. Daniel Bryan was supposed to be that guy, but he's already broken down himself. Roman Reigns was next in line, but he's not ready. A lot is on Dean Ambrose's shoulders to become that guy at some point in the future, and I think he can do it. Yesterday he hit a few demographics with his promos, style of wrestling, and the nickolodeon gag which didn't come off goofy like Cena but was still something positive for the kids.

IMAN5 · Post #2164 » by **IMAN5** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:46 pm

wolfv wrote:Cena always has to team up with whoever the new popular guy is in order to make Cena appear cool again and get fans to cheer for him. Happened with Punk, Ryback, DB, Roman, now Ambrose... and it never works. If anything it just makes the new guy less popular

I really can't believe they continue to push Cena like this after years of fans begging them to stop. It's insane

I agree, but the people begging WWE to stop are guys like you and I. We unfortunately are out numbered by all the kids with Cena Shirts and arm bands who love Cena and make their parents buy all his merchandise.

His merch is so ugly and corny and no grown man would ever wear it, but it is constantly sold out or the top seller because of kids. WWE would lose a lot of money if they weren't pushing Cena.

Post #2165 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:52 pm

wolfv wrote:Cena always has to team up with whoever the new popular guy is in order to make Cena appear cool again and get fans to cheer for him. Happened with Punk, Ryback, DB, Roman, now Ambrose... and it never works. If anything it just makes the new guy less popular

I really can't believe they continue to push Cena like this after years of fans begging them to stop. It's insane

It's not as much about gaining popularity as it is just getting a reaction - which Cena does better than anyone else in the business. The old formulas about being purely good guy or bad guy don't apply anymore. People getting annoyed at Cena helps him because it's a reaction.

Stannis · Post #2166 » by **Stannis** » Wed Oct 1, 2014 12:16 am

Ambrose doesn't seem like a good flyer at all.... Last night, he clearly missed one and Kane tried to play it off lol. Ambrose just got a couple of hairs on him. And other than that, he would just do a regular jump off the ropes, land on his feet and then hit whoever at the same time. They should change up his style imo. This jumping and flying doesn't really fit him. And I think it looks really bad.

The talent pool looks really depleted as well. No Reigns. Bryan. Punk. These shows are flat.

Also, the US Title and Intercontinental division kind of sucks. It seems like these are the titles for World Heavyweight Champion rejects (Sheamus, Ziggler, The Mix). When it SHOULD be the title for younger guys like Reigns, imo. That way they get more build up when they contend for the World Title.

If they are going to stick with Raw & Smackdown being one big roster, they should think about unifying the US and Intercontinental titles as well. And bringing back the Cruiser weight/Light Heavyweight title. I miss Tajiri - Rey Mysterio type matches. Those were always fun ways to start the show.

kingquan316 · Post #2167 » by **kingquan316** » Wed Oct 1, 2014 12:35 am

Dean Ambrose has that connection wit the crowd. He's carrying raw, n I liked this weeks show. U can be a great worker, or have a great look, but the hardest part of being a true main event player is to connect wit the crowd, and Dean connected quick. Raws ratings went above 4 mil, so hopefully the audience likes wat he is doing, and Vince n trips get behind him. He has the mic skills, facial expression, n storytelling in matches. I see him getting the Daniel Bryan fan support like last year, no question in my mind. Rumble will be very interesting. Can't wait.

Stannis · Post #2168 » by **Stannis** » Wed Oct 1, 2014 1:22 am

Does anybody still watch Smackdown? I haven't watched that in ages.

IMAN5 · Post #2169 » by **IMAN5** » Wed Oct 1, 2014 2:33 pm

Travis Knight wrote:Does anybody still watch Smackdown? I haven't watched that in ages.

naw nothing important ever happens on smackdown.

Butch718 · Post #2170 » by **Butch718** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 12:57 am

Travis Knight wrote:Ambrose doesn't seem like a good flyer at all.... Last night, he clearly missed one and Kane tried to play it off lol. Ambrose just got a couple of hairs on him. And other than that, he would just do a regular jump off the ropes, land on his feet and then hit whoever at the same time. They should change up his style imo. This jumping and flying doesn't really fit him. And I think it looks really bad.

The talent pool looks really depleted as well. No Reigns. Bryan. Punk. These shows are flat.

Also, the US Title and Intercontinental division kind of sucks. It seems like these are the titles for World Heavyweight Champion rejects (Sheamus, Ziggler, The Mix). When it SHOULD be the title for younger guys like Reigns, imo. That way they get more build up when they contend for the World Title.

If they are going to stick with Raw & Smackdown being one big roster, they should think about unifying the US and Intercontinental titles as well. And bringing back the Cruiser weight/Light Heavyweight title. I miss Tajiri - Rey Mysterio type matches. Those were always fun ways to start the show.

They should make Ambrose more of the brawler that he naturally is, with the occasional spot of him flying into a wrestler or bunch of wrestlers.

However, I for one am glad that Reigns is out. Ambrose is getting the push that Reigns would have gotten. The guy is opening and closing shows now. TPTB are giving him the ball and seeing what he can do with it. He's one of the few bright spots on Raw nowadays and the crowds clearly love and want to root for him.

I would actually like to see Rusev win the US title belt because it could create a storyline of American wrestlers trying to win it back from him. Hell if they're going to go for the anti-Russian/pro USA angle they might as well go all the way with it. It would give some meaning to the belt as well and create massive heat for Rusev in the process. Could you imagine the promos that Lana would cut about a Russian holding the US title? It would be great.

Meat · Post #2171 » by **Meat** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 2:00 am

mox was never a high flyer, he has like 2 high risk moves. the missile drop kick and the suicide dive, a lot of his regular moveset from the indies had to be toned down because they're either being used by other stars or they're just too dangerous for the wwe's tastes.

i still think he's trying to figure out a moveset that goes with his gimmick

Meat · Post #2172 » by **Meat** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 2:07 am

Travis Knight wrote:Ambrose doesn't seem like a good flyer at all.... Last night, he clearly missed one and Kane tried to play it off lol. Ambrose just got a couple of hairs on him. And other than that, he would just do a regular jump off the ropes, land on his feet and then hit whoever at the same time. They should change up his style imo. This jumping and flying doesn't really fit him. And I think it looks really bad.

The talent pool looks really depleted as well. No Reigns. Bryan. Punk. These shows are flat.

Also, the US Title and Intercontinental division kind of sucks. It seems like these are the titles for World Heavyweight Champion rejects (Sheamus, Ziggler, The Mix). When it SHOULD be the title for younger guys like Reigns, imo. That way they get more build up when they contend for the World Title.

If they are going to stick with Raw & Smackdown being one big roster, they should think about unifying the US and Intercontinental titles as well. And bringing back the Cruiser weight/Light Heavyweight title. I miss Tajiri - Rey Mysterio type matches. Those were always fun ways to start the show.

pray that vince dies, cruiserweights are expensive since they spend a decent amount of time injured. HHH doesnt seem to care tho, since he's got some cruiserweights in nxt, sammray del sol(kallisto) is pretty much the best flyer in north america

poeman · Post #2173 » by **poeman** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 3:51 am

Travis Knight wrote:Does anybody still watch Smackdown? I haven't watched that in ages.

For the past 10 or 12 weeks Smackdown has been terrible...I read the taped results and move on. It is garbage.

Whats a point of even having it other then just cashing money. There is no value in terms of creativity

wolfv · Post #2174 » by **wolfv** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 4:22 pm

Ruzious wrote:
wolfv wrote:Cena always has to team up with whoever the new popular guy is in order to make Cena appear cool again and get fans to cheer for him. Happened with Punk, Ryback, DB, Roman, now Ambrose... and it never works. If anything it just makes the new guy less popular

I really can't believe they continue to push Cena like this after years of fans begging them to stop. It's insane

It's not as much about gaining popularity as it is just getting a reaction - which Cena does better than anyone else in the business. The old formulas about being purely good guy or bad guy don't apply anymore. People getting annoyed at Cena helps him because it's a reaction.

Cena does get a reaction but I don't think it's "good" heat that he's getting from the crowd. It's more like "just f*** off already" heat because they're sick of him. I don't know who is in control of his character but WWE is just killing him by not letting him evolve. He's so stale. And it's a shame because he is natural cutting promos and could be really interesting as a heel.

IMAN5 · Post #2175 » by **IMAN5** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 8:14 pm

rusev with the U.S title would be great.

delvec19 · Post #2176 » by **delvec19** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 8:16 pm

I don't know how many of you have the WWE Network but it really is amazing. The current product is so bad, I feel like I'm watching the same show every week just in a different order. I'm currently re-watching the Attitude Era RAWs and Smackdowns and they really are amazing. Although I'll admit one thing. The wrestling and matches back then weren't even close to what it is today. Every match seemed to have a hardcore/brawl element to it every time, and Russo always chose to involve screwjobs and interference. The writing/acting/storylines/characters were just eons better than anything today...that's what made it entertaining.

Post #2177 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 8:48 pm

wolfv wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
wolfv wrote:Cena always has to team up with whoever the new popular guy is in order to make Cena appear cool again and get fans to cheer for him. Happened with Punk, Ryback, DB, Roman, now Ambrose... and it never works. If anything it just makes the new guy less popular

I really can't believe they continue to push Cena like this after years of fans begging them to stop. It's insane

It's not as much about gaining popularity as it is just getting a reaction - which Cena does better than anyone else in the business. The old formulas about being purely good guy or bad guy don't apply anymore. People getting annoyed at Cena helps him because it's a reaction.

Cena does get a reaction but I don't think it's "good" heat that he's getting from the crowd. It's more like "just f*** off already" heat because they're sick of him. I don't know who is in control of his character but WWE is just killing him by not letting him evolve. He's so stale. And it's a shame because he is natural cutting promos and could be really interesting as a heel.

I'd also love to see him as a heel, but I think the WWE is invested in him as a face. They sell so much Cena merch for kids that'd be a big business risk. And the kids watching today are the adult fans of the future. Hook em when they're young - as a creepy pedofile or the cigarette industry might say.

frogfood · Post #2178 » by **frogfood** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 9:21 pm

Ruzious wrote:
wolfv wrote:
Ruzious wrote:It's not as much about gaining popularity as it is just getting a reaction - which Cena does better than anyone else in the business. The old formulas about being purely good guy or bad guy don't apply anymore. People getting annoyed at Cena helps him because it's a reaction.

Cena does get a reaction but I don't think it's "good" heat that he's getting from the crowd. It's more like "just f*** off already" heat because they're sick of him. I don't know who is in control of his character but WWE is just killing him by not letting him evolve. He's so stale. And it's a shame because he is natural cutting promos and could be really interesting as a heel.

I'd also love to see him as a heel, but I think the WWE is invested in him as a face. They sell so much Cena merch for kids that'd be a big business risk. And the kids watching today are the adult fans of the future. Hook em when they're young - as a creepy pedofile or the cigarette industry might say.

Good point. He's their Hulk Hogan.

poeman · Post #2179 » by **poeman** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 10:06 pm

Cena is merch god...Yeah he is pretty much this generation's Hogan. He does need a serious makeover though.

Also Randy Orton got a pop for his RKO's the other night...Time for him to change his act, he is more boring then the Divas division

SaveUsKP6 · Post #2180 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Thu Oct 2, 2014 11:36 pm

delvec19 wrote:I don't know how many of you have the WWE Network but it really is amazing. The current product is so bad, I feel like I'm watching the same show every week just in a different order. I'm currently re-watching the Attitude Era RAWs and Smackdowns and they really are amazing. Although I'll admit one thing. The wrestling and matches back then weren't even close to what it is today. Every match seemed to have a hardcore/brawl element to it every time, and Russo always chose to involve screwjobs and interference. The writing/acting/storylines/characters were just eons better than anything today...that's what made it entertaining.

I honestly don't know how anyone who is even a casual wrestling fan doesn't own this network. I guess half of the problem is WWE's audience who a.) doesn't have the technology or b.) unfortunately can't afford it.