Bledsoe and Suns reach 5 year, $70 million deal

[Shem]

More years with guaranteed money is usually the more appealing thing to players. I've been following the NBA sine the 80's and that's been a common theme that more years is better than per-season average, especially if the total worth of the contract is bigger. That's what happened here.

Why did the Suns push for 5 years? Bledsoe would be locked in at a lower amount then what the market at the time would dictate. Once again, at the end of the deal, that $18m would be equivalent to a $13.5m (or lower depending how high the salary cap rises) today.

But if he's missing a ton of games like last season for example, that contract becomes a burden and the more years you have on that contract, the worse it is. I don't care if you think it's going to be a better contract later on. $14 million a year is still $14 million a year which is a lot of dough and can handicap their salary cap depending on where they're at 3, 4, or 5 years down the road. Now if he's healthy and last season season and other seasons where he's had injury issues are flukes, then it's a bargain.

With Bledsoe's injury concerns, this was a no brainer. And if you saw the training camp report on NBA TV today, Bledsoe was asked about the contract situation and the anxiety over it. He responded by saying there was none and that he knew it would take care of itself and he was all smiles during that interview.

As per McDonough

"We would not have made this commitment in terms of years or money if we had significant concerns about Eric's health," Suns general manager Ryan McDonough said. "Nobody knows Eric's medical history or where he's at better than us."

Because if it wasn't, he doesn't sign that contract and would have become a RFA next offseason. And it's also like I keep saying that the Suns had more to lose than Bledsoe which is why he said he wasn't worried today.

Except if he hadn't signed the deal then he would be playing on QO ($3.7m) and risk reinjuring he knees, or not being able to sustain the same on-court production as last year. Any number of factors could've signficantly reduced his payday next offseason. He wasn't worried because he left his agent in charge, who without doubt, would've gave Bledsoe his reassurance that Bledsoe would be getting paid either this off-season or the next.

Injury prone guys still find ways to get paid.

I can't count how many times RealGM has blown up when that has happened.

[lilfishi22]

Considering one side didn't want to move off the 4 year $48 million offer. But then again I just said the Suns caved more than Bledsoe and you're still trying to pin it on Bledsoe. Keep the replies coming!

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We think we gave him a fair offer, and (we would) be more than happy to sit down with him and continue to negotiate it. We're happy to do that," he said.

Tell me again, who didn't want to move off their initial offer?

[Shem]

l This whole argument is pointless

And yet you're still here keep it up with your fellow Suns fans. Are you guys bonding together over this? If it's so pointless, you can just walk away. But we know you can't do that like I've said many times before. All this because you cared what I thought and yes, you cared. You ALL cared. So what if I believe the Wolves inspired the Suns to make sure a deal was done. You're insecurity is funny.

Oh, and I didn't dodge main points. I attacked them head on. If I missed something, it's because I'm replying to so many people at once that things can get lost in the shuffle when formatting so many replies.

But please prove to me that you didn't mean what you said. This is NOT pointless to you. I'll be waiting for your reply. You know you can't resist. You know why? Because it's important to you to try to convince me otherwise because of your insecurity. Keep amusing me!

[kingstyyyle]

Fact - $70 is closer to $84 million than it is to $48 million. Sounds like simple math to me.
Fact - 5 years of guaranteed money is better than four.
Fact - That 5 year $70 million contract is better than any other team could give Bledsoe this last summer or the next summer.

If you're a free agent, you want the best possible deal. The Suns wouldn't give it to him at first until later when they backed off their stance. Bledsoe did what anyone would do in that situation and take that deal.

It's not simple math, it's simpleton math. Ignoring the per amount is a nice trick but it doesn't work that way in real life and given the fact you can type, it's clear you also know this.

More years with guaranteed money is usually the more appealing thing to players. I've been following the NBA sine the 80's and that's been a common theme that more years is better than per-season average, especially if the total worth of the contract is bigger. That's what happened here.

With Bledsoe's injury concerns, this was a no brainer. And if you saw the training camp report on NBA TV today, Bledsoe was asked about the contract situation and the anxiety over it. He responded by saying there was none and that he knew it would take care of itself and he was all smiles during that interview.

The Suns wanted the 5th year all along, they just didn't want to pay the maximum. The Bledsoe camp only wanted the 5th year if they could get the max. By the time this deal was done, the 5th year was the sweetener that allowed the Suns to move up to 14 million per. This was a win/win deal for both sides, I don't know why you keep trying to paint it as something other than what it was. It was a negotiation, both sides moved from their original offers.

To me whoever compromised more is the one who caved. And it's like I said, the Suns' offer was the best one he was going to get. Because if it wasn't, he doesn't sign that contract and would have become a RFA next offseason. And it's also like I keep saying that the Suns had more to lose than Bledsoe which is why he said he wasn't worried today.

Bledsoe wanted around 16 and the Sun's wanted to pay 12. They both met at 14. Im not sure how to simplify this any more for you.

[kingstyyyle]

l This whole argument is pointless

And yet you're still here keep it up with your fellow Suns fans. Are you guys bonding together over this? If it's so pointless, you can just walk away. But we know you can't do that like I've said many times before. All this because you cared what I thought and yes, you cared. You ALL cared. So what if I believe the Wolves inspired the Suns to make sure a deal was done. You're insecurity is funny.

Oh, and I didn't dodge main points. I attacked them head on. If I missed something, it's because I'm replying to so many people at once that things can get lost in the shuffle when formatting so many replies.

But please prove to me that you didn't mean what you said. This is NOT pointless to you. I'll be waiting for your reply. You know you can't resist. You know why? Because it's important to you to try to convince me otherwise because of your insecurity. Keep amusing me!

Your posts in this thread make life worth living shem. Im not sure how suns fans got along without you

[Shem]

It's not simple math, it's simpleton math. Ignoring the per amount is a nice trick but it doesn't work that way in real life and given the fact you can type, it's clear you also know this.

More years with guaranteed money is usually the more appealing thing to players. I've been following the NBA sine the 80's and that's been a common theme that more years is better than per-season average, especially if the total worth of the contract is bigger. That's what happened here.

With Bledsoe's injury concerns, this was a no brainer. And if you saw the training camp report on NBA TV today, Bledsoe was asked about the contract situation and the anxiety over it. He responded by saying there was none and that he knew it would take care of itself and he was all smiles during that interview.

The Suns wanted the 5th year all along, they just didn't want to pay the maximum. The Bledsoe camp only wanted the 5th year if they could get the max. By the time this deal was done, the 5th year was the sweetener that allowed the Suns to move up to 14 million per. This was a win/win deal for both sides, I don't know why you keep trying to paint it as something other than what it was. It was a negotiation, both sides moved from their original offers.

To me whoever compromised more is the one who caved. And it's like I said, the Suns' offer was the best one he was going to get. Because if it wasn't, he doesn't sign that contract and would have become a RFA next offseason. And it's also like I keep saying that the Suns had more to lose than Bledsoe which is why he said he wasn't worried today.

Bledsoe wanted around 16 and the Sun's wanted to pay 12. They both met at 14. Im not sure how to simplify this any more for you.

Because you're not listening to what I said and the reasoning behind it. Here you all are saying I'm dodging points, yet my points are being dodged. But please come back and make the same points over again. You guys are funny! All because you care what I think! And yes you care, or you wouldn't be doing this for the last few days. Prove me right... again!

[kingstyyyle]

More years with guaranteed money is usually the more appealing thing to players. I've been following the NBA sine the 80's and that's been a common theme that more years is better than per-season average, especially if the total worth of the contract is bigger. That's what happened here.

With Bledsoe's injury concerns, this was a no brainer. And if you saw the training camp report on NBA TV today, Bledsoe was asked about the contract situation and the anxiety over it. He responded by saying there was none and that he knew it would take care of itself and he was all smiles during that interview.


To me whoever compromised more is the one who caved. And it's like I said, the Suns' offer was the best one he was going to get. Because if it wasn't, he doesn't sign that contract and would have become a RFA next offseason. And it's also like I keep saying that the Suns had more to lose than Bledsoe which is why he said he wasn't worried today.

Bledsoe wanted around 16 and the Sun's wanted to pay 12. They both met at 14. Im not sure how to simplify this any more for you.

Because you're not listening to what I said and the reasoning behind it. Here you all are saying I'm dodging points, yet my points are being dodged. But please come back and make the same points over again. You guys are funny! All because you care what I think! And yes you care, or you wouldn't be doing this for the last few days. Prove me right... again!

This is actually a blast for me. Its like playing ball against a 12 year old. I dont even have to make a point because you do all the work for me

[lilfishi22]

But if he's missing a ton of games like last season for example, that contract becomes a burden and the more years you have on that contract, the worse it is. I don't care if you think it's going to be a better contract later on. $14 million a year is still $14 million a year which is a lot of dough and can handicap their salary cap depending on where they're at 3, 4, or 5 years down the road. Now if he's healthy and last season season and other seasons where he's had injury issues are flukes, then it's a bargain.

lol you're running on fumes Shem. Or should I ask what fumes are you running on because I want some.

The knees has been looked over by the best medical staff in the league and they could've nixed the deal like that've done in the past but they gave it the stamp of approval. It's going to be a better deal down the track when you have a guy on $14m in his prime. Could he go down with an injury? Sure. Paul George went down with one and who knows how he would be when he gets back. But until it happens, it's a solid deal.

Injury prone guys still find ways to get paid.

I can't count how many times RealGM has blown up when that has happened.

Wade, CP3, Blake and Westbrook all had the same injuries and they've all been able to return pre-injury level production.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/16/us-nba-players-meniscus-idUSTRE7BF23P20111216

[Shem]

l This whole argument is pointless

And yet you're still here keep it up with your fellow Suns fans. Are you guys bonding together over this? If it's so pointless, you can just walk away. But we know you can't do that like I've said many times before. All this because you cared what I thought and yes, you cared. You ALL cared. So what if I believe the Wolves inspired the Suns to make sure a deal was done. You're insecurity is funny.

Oh, and I didn't dodge main points. I attacked them head on. If I missed something, it's because I'm replying to so many people at once that things can get lost in the shuffle when formatting so many replies.

But please prove to me that you didn't mean what you said. This is NOT pointless to you. I'll be waiting for your reply. You know you can't resist. You know why? Because it's important to you to try to convince me otherwise because of your insecurity. Keep amusing me!

Your posts in this thread make life worth living shem. Im not sure how suns fans got along without you

You know what's funny? Is how fast you all reply!! It's like you all live by your keyboards waiting for me. I stop and then I come back and notice that you guys reply right away. Even though I may leave my computer for 12-15 hours. But that is how long most of the replies are. I post, and very soon afterwards without fail, there's a reply from several of you. Like I said, this is very important to you. More to you than it is to me. I'm just seeing how far you guys are willing to go making those same points over-and-over again. Coming at them from multiple angles. While dodging my points and accusing me of doing the same and even mock my sources even if they're the top sources in the NBA because you don't like it disproves your arguments.

Keep fighting the good fight, and reply again with redundant points with new angles thinking this time it's going to work. I know how important this is to you all, even if someone says it's pointless. It's far from that by you all.

[Shem]

But if he's missing a ton of games like last season for example, that contract becomes a burden and the more years you have on that contract, the worse it is. I don't care if you think it's going to be a better contract later on. $14 million a year is still $14 million a year which is a lot of dough and can handicap their salary cap depending on where they're at 3, 4, or 5 years down the road. Now if he's healthy and last season season and other seasons where he's had injury issues are flukes, then it's a bargain.

lol you're running on fumes Shem. Or should I ask what fumes are you running on because I want some.

What makes you think so? I'm having too much fun seeing you guys go crazy over things I say.

The knees has been looked over by the best medical staff in the league and they could've nixed the deal like that've done in the past but they gave it the stamp of approval. It's going to be a better deal down the track when you have a guy on $14m in his prime. Could he go down with an injury? Sure. Paul George went down with one and who knows how he would be when he gets back. But until it happens, it's a solid deal.

And yet it took all summer to make a deal. Did the medical staff take all summer to get the results done or something?

Injury prone guys still find ways to get paid.

I can't count how many times RealGM has blown up when that has happened.

Wade, CP3, Blake and Westbrook all had the same injuries and they've all been able to return pre-injury level production.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/16/us-nba-players-meniscus-idUSTRE7BF23P20111216

Westbrook was already under contract well before the cheap shot by Beverley that caused some problems. Anyway, obviously there was a concern at first or this would have been done sooner. It all didn't matter at the end.

[Shem]

Bledsoe wanted around 16 and the Sun's wanted to pay 12. They both met at 14. Im not sure how to simplify this any more for you.

Because you're not listening to what I said and the reasoning behind it. Here you all are saying I'm dodging points, yet my points are being dodged. But please come back and make the same points over again. You guys are funny! All because you care what I think! And yes you care, or you wouldn't be doing this for the last few days. Prove me right... again!

This is actually a blast for me. Its like playing ball against a 12 year old. I dont even have to make a point because you do all the work for me

That doesn't make any sense, especially if you want to win a debate. Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

[Shem]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... Leave-Suns

No wonder the Suns panicked and got a deal done with Bledsoe just before training camp. Sarver was having Joe Johnson flashbacks when he tried to low-ball him. Again, my point is proven. LOL

Now bring on the denials!!!!

[lilfishi22]

What makes you think so? I'm having too much fun seeing you guys go crazy over things I say

Because you're clearly out of reasonable points and you're just rehashing your old points which we've already debunked and moved on from. But trust me, I'm having just as much fun watching you ignore all the tweets from Woj when you've so strongly tried to pass on his word as gospel a few pages back.

And yet it took all summer to make a deal. Did the medical staff take all summer to get the results done or something?

It doesn't take all summer to do an evaluation on the knee. It took all summer to get him to come to Phoenix. But once again, you're trying move off on a tangent because you're clearly grasping at straws here.

Westbrook was already under contract well before the cheap shot by Beverley that caused some problems. Anyway, obviously there was a concern at first or this would have been done sooner. It all didn't matter at the end.

I never said anything about their pay, only that they've returned to their pre-injury level of production. You see, the Suns have had half an NBA season to evaluate his knees, they were the ones who rehabed and monitored them after Bledsoe got injured. No one has had a closer evaluation of his knees than the Suns. I don't know how on Earth you came to the conclusion that the injury evaluation was somehow part of the reason why it took so long to get a deal done.

[lilfishi22]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235032/Robert-Sarver-Still-Regrets-Allowing-Joe-Johnson-To-Leave-Suns

No wonder the Suns panicked and got a deal done with Bledsoe just before training camp. Sarver was having Joe Johnson flashbacks when he tried to low-ball him. Again, my point is proven. LOL

Now bring on the denials!!!!

The Suns front office have made it clear publicly, Bledsoe was their off-season priority.

[kingstyyyle]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235032/Robert-Sarver-Still-Regrets-Allowing-Joe-Johnson-To-Leave-Suns

No wonder the Suns panicked and got a deal done with Bledsoe just before training camp. Sarver was having Joe Johnson flashbacks when he tried to low-ball him. Again, my point is proven. LOL

Now bring on the denials!!!!

I really doubt something sarver has been saying YEARS before Bledsoe was on our team had anything to do with the contract he recieved.

[Shem]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235032/Robert-Sarver-Still-Regrets-Allowing-Joe-Johnson-To-Leave-Suns

No wonder the Suns panicked and got a deal done with Bledsoe just before training camp. Sarver was having Joe Johnson flashbacks when he tried to low-ball him. Again, my point is proven. LOL

Now bring on the denials!!!!

I really doubt something sarver has been saying YEARS before Bledsoe was on our team had anything to do with the contract he recieved.

Yeah, funny how it just happens to come up right after the Bledsoe issue. But then again, you're just going to say another coincidence like with the Wolves situation.

[Shem]

What makes you think so? I'm having too much fun seeing you guys go crazy over things I say

Because you're clearly out of reasonable points and you're just rehashing your old points which we've already debunked and moved on from.

That's exactly what you're doing. Funny how that works.

But trust me, I'm having just as much fun watching you ignore all the tweets from Woj when you've so strongly tried to pass on his word as gospel a few pages back.

Actually I didn't. You just chose to ignore my points. I find it amusing you're accusing me of something I didn't do, but you did and act like it's the other way around.

And yet it took all summer to make a deal. Did the medical staff take all summer to get the results done or something?

It doesn't take all summer to do an evaluation on the knee. It took all summer to get him to come to Phoenix.

Yeah, because the Suns wouldn't budge until they decided to offer a deal that no other team could match. It was the best way to make sure you don't have another Joe Johnson situation again. I mean, your owner is expressing regret about that again at an interesting time.

But once again, you're trying move off on a tangent because you're clearly grasping at straws here.

That's what you all been doing to me. Again, funny how that works.

Westbrook was already under contract well before the cheap shot by Beverley that caused some problems. Anyway, obviously there was a concern at first or this would have been done sooner. It all didn't matter at the end.

I never said anything about their pay, only that they've returned to their pre-injury level of production. You see, the Suns have had half an NBA season to evaluate his knees, they were the ones who rehabed and monitored them after Bledsoe got injured. No one has had a closer evaluation of his knees than the Suns. I don't know how on Earth you came to the conclusion that the injury evaluation was somehow part of the reason why it took so long to get a deal done.

Maybe you should choose your words more carefully in the future. I was just going off of what you said/implied. Try going back through our conversation history and look at it carefully. Maybe you'll realize how silly you look.

[aIvin adams]

[inquisitive]

dragic is good as gone next summer...

[aIvin adams]

dragic is good as gone next summer...

that sucks. i wish the suns would have tried harder to keep an all-nba player entering his prime.

dang it.