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TheKingofSting wrote:Our firsts will be low, I don't understand not wantingto trade them.
El ahrairah wrote:BizGilwalker wrote:In short...
Zeller is better than you give him credit for, the Raptors aren't a completely inept franchise anymore, Darrell Arthur is 100% scrubtrashtic.
In short this is your assumption and hope.
As of now, no he is not and there is no scout that see's him as anything more then he currently is, outside of being fine tuned. So again, best case is an athletic energy bench big who can come in and score but wont rebound or defend in any significant or even mentionable, manner.
There seems to be a breakdown of player evaluation when you are calling DA "scrubtrashtic" yet continuing to praise Zeller, when there is not a single thing Zeller does better than DA or is naturally more talented, experienced, etc. If we are doing honest player evaluations there is nothing about Zeller we can highlight over DA.
In lesser heralded moves the Hornets added veteran Marvin Williams to start at power forward and Brian Roberts to backup Kemba Walker at point guard. All in all the Hornets had a very successful offseason and look poised for a breakout season.
However, it still feels like something is missing. They seem one piece away from challenging for a top 3 seed in the East and perhaps even making a run at the conference finals. The obvious upgradeable positions are the small forward and power forward spots, but only at power forward are there available upgrades on the market.
One player who could be available, and would fit in perfectly with the Hornets, is Indiana Pacers starting power forward David West. West and the Pacers are heading into the regular season after losing Stephenson to the Hornets, and seeing Paul George suffer a season ending injury. Rather than a return trip to the conference finals, they may not even sniff the playoffs.
At 34 West is probably looking at the last few years of productivity in his career. He likely wants to play on a contender, and it is clear that the Pacers are not a contender this season. Sending him to the Hornets would allow them to shed money before starting their rebuild focused on Paul George’s return in 2015.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
Liver_Pooty wrote:^ Have a link?
And yeah, Id pass on 34 year old West.
catch20two wrote:I currently don't see any trade between us and the Pacers that'll interest me in taking on West's contract knowing he won't opt out the following year. Maybe if Zeller is still looking like he did at the start of last season and Hendo is still as annoying in a decreased role, maybe.
mrknowitall215 wrote:Rumor has it that David West may be on our radar as a PF to trade for...In lesser heralded moves the Hornets added veteran Marvin Williams to start at power forward and Brian Roberts to backup Kemba Walker at point guard. All in all the Hornets had a very successful offseason and look poised for a breakout season.
However, it still feels like something is missing. They seem one piece away from challenging for a top 3 seed in the East and perhaps even making a run at the conference finals. The obvious upgradeable positions are the small forward and power forward spots, but only at power forward are there available upgrades on the market.
One player who could be available, and would fit in perfectly with the Hornets, is Indiana Pacers starting power forward David West. West and the Pacers are heading into the regular season after losing Stephenson to the Hornets, and seeing Paul George suffer a season ending injury. Rather than a return trip to the conference finals, they may not even sniff the playoffs.
At 34 West is probably looking at the last few years of productivity in his career. He likely wants to play on a contender, and it is clear that the Pacers are not a contender this season. Sending him to the Hornets would allow them to shed money before starting their rebuild focused on Paul George’s return in 2015.
Thoughts?
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Personally, I'm not really interested in David West even though he's easily better than our current options, but I'm holding out hope that Zeller can be serviceable. We don't need a star talent at PF, just someone that can effectively play the role of a dependable rebounder, defender, and finisher around the rim
BizGilwalker wrote:catch20two wrote:I currently don't see any trade between us and the Pacers that'll interest me in taking on West's contract knowing he won't opt out the following year. Maybe if Zeller is still looking like he did at the start of last season and Hendo is still as annoying in a decreased role, maybe.
I'd probably rather have West on his 2-year deal than Marvin on his. If Zeller doesn't look good by midseason and Vonleh looks serviceable by then, I'd do Zeller+Marvin+Taylor/Neal for West+Copeland. I'm sure Indiana would too if West wants to go somewhere to win. Most of their fans like Zeller.
yosemiteben wrote:MKIA is a Marvin loverboy compared to catch20two. Marvin must have kicked his puppy or something.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
BrotherDave wrote:I'm definitely on the Marvin Williams hate-wagon. Al will get his usual 10-12 rpg and the other team will get the rest.
Amir Johnson is legit and a far better player than Zeller is right now, and maybe ever
amcoolio wrote:Amir Johnson is legit and a far better player than Zeller is right now, and maybe ever
When Amir was a starter for Detroit (hell, his entire time with Detroit) he was f'ing horrible. He averaged 3.5 points and 3.7 rebounds in his 4th year in similar minutes to Cody's rookie year. Amir didn't improve drastically until years 7 and 8 in the NBA.
Cody's had 1. And you're ready to make that claim?