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DJ Spinning D > O 

Post#581 » by Ranma » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:35 am

While I think DeAndre Jordan is capable of developing some offensive moves since he's previously flashed some fancy footwork on the floor and even showed adept touch in his trick-shot videos with Blake Griffin, he's not really disciplined or focused, so his efforts should be to continue to develop and solidify his defensive game as he would provide the most value to this team in that aspect. Look no further than his free-throw shooting. He generally has good form--even better than Blake's IMO--but it's his lack of mental focus and discipline that undermines him.

One of the biggest mistakes for Chris Kaman and Mike Dunleavy, Sr. in years past was to encourage the 7-footer to shoot from the perimeter at the expense of his post defense and offense, where he was of more value to the team. Instead, he fell in love with the idea of being the poor-man's Dirk thus negating the value of having a center out on the floor to the point where he was more of a detriment than a positive contributor.

Similarly, DJ isn't the sharpest of tools, so I don't want him distracted from his more vital task of being a defensive presence. Doc has done a tremendous job of getting DJ to make a leap in his development on D, but there's plenty of work to be done as he's far from a solid defensive presence positionally and with regards to reacting and rotating to what an opponent does on offense despite the highlight blocks and rebounds. The team needs to improve further defensively and is actually mediocre in rebounding overall.

Defense should be the primary focus of the team as a whole, but particularly Jordan's if he truly wants to be more like Bill Russell and win a DPOY. DJ hasn't really accomplished anything yet and the last thing we need is for him to get sidetracked. I'll refer to Doc's previous statements from last preseason as well as early last season:

Eric Patten, Clippers.com (10/2/13)
“I’m asking him to do [the same things] better and more consistently and take ownership of it,” Rivers said. “And not get sidetracked on the other side. If you’re a great defensive player, then you’re a great defensive player 100 percent of the time. You can’t be a great defensive player half the time because you didn’t get the ball once or twice. That can’t sidetrack him. It’s got to be I live for my defense and my offense I’ll get.”

Rivers Wants DeAndre Jordan to Get Defensive


Michael Martinez, Fox Sports (12/20/13)
"He said he wanted me to be the leader and the anchor of our defense and he really meant that," Jordan said. "On offense he wanted me to run, sprint, get easy buckets, set picks for guys and help guys get open shots. That's what I've been doing. Anything he asks of me, I'm going to work my butt off to try and make happen."
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"I think he's just grown," Rivers said. "It's not me. I don't want to take any of the credit. That's D.J. He had to decide on his own. He had to embrace it. When you look at all the weapons on our team, he had to look at where he would make his biggest impact€“ and his biggest impact is doing all the other stuff."

Clippers center DeAndre Jordan flourishing under Doc Rivers
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DJ's Contract Year 

Post#582 » by Ranma » Fri Oct 3, 2014 7:21 am

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Re: 2014 Off-season Thread 

Post#583 » by QRich3 » Fri Oct 3, 2014 9:49 am

That's too bad, if he accepted the 3 year extension we'd have Paul, Blake, Hawes and him, all expiring in the same summer, in case we need to retool or something. It'd be worth it even if we have to overpay him.
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Re: 2014 Off-season Thread 

Post#584 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Oct 3, 2014 1:23 pm

wonder why Doc isn't asking DeAndre to work on his post game like many of us in this forum.

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Re: 2014 Off-season Thread 

Post#585 » by azncorruptedo17 » Fri Oct 3, 2014 7:31 pm

can't wait for the season to start!
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Re: 2014 Off-season Thread 

Post#586 » by og15 » Sun Oct 5, 2014 3:53 am

Quake Griffin wrote:wonder why Doc isn't asking DeAndre to work on his post game like many of us in this forum.

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I'd rather he be able to shoot FT's than try to be a post presence because I doubt his offensive awareness and passing out of the post will be adequate enough to make it worth running more than 1-2 possessions a game for him to post-up.
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Re: 2014 Off-season Thread 

Post#587 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Oct 5, 2014 4:11 am

og15 wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:wonder why Doc isn't asking DeAndre to work on his post game like many of us in this forum.

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I'd rather he be able to shoot FT's than try to be a post presence because I doubt his offensive awareness and passing out of the post will be adequate enough to make it worth running more than 1-2 possessions a game for him to post-up.

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Re: 2014 Off-season Thread 

Post#588 » by og15 » Sun Oct 5, 2014 5:29 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:
og15 wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:wonder why Doc isn't asking DeAndre to work on his post game like many of us in this forum.

:roll:

I'd rather he be able to shoot FT's than try to be a post presence because I doubt his offensive awareness and passing out of the post will be adequate enough to make it worth running more than 1-2 possessions a game for him to post-up.

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I'm with you too then, I think there's a misconception on what the value of DJ as the 5th option posting up will actually bring to the offense. I think people believe it will bring an extra element to the offense, and that's a fair thought, but I don't think it will bring the desired result. So here's my argument to help out as to why it really isn't important, especially on this team.

On a per possession basis if you take into account all these things:
    Turnovers from getting stripped or losing the ball
    The times where he can't get close enough to shoot a high percentage shot and takes a long hook or short jumper as he can't back down every other big easily
    The fact that he doesn't have the offensive awareness, floor vision or passing like a Nene, where even though Nene's scoring conversion from the post isn't "great", posting him up is good for the team because the passes he makes out of the post lead to very efficient shots for the team.

You take all that into account, and the logic behind posting DJ up doesn't make sense outside of when he has a great mis-match, but if we're thinking of the playoffs and the teams we would see as worthy opponents:
    Tiago Splitter a GREAT man to man defender who was excellent vs Dirk and Aldridge
    Kendrick Perkins / Steven Adams
    Andrew Bogut
    Marc Gasol
    Tyson Chandler

Those are all terrible options to start thinking of isolating DJ in the post against or even having him exerting any energy trying to get post position and battling against those guys that way. We would just be wasting possessions for no reason cause it won't make the offense better, so might as well just have him do the things he is good at.
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Re: 2014 Off-season Thread 

Post#589 » by thanumba2clippersfan » Sun Oct 5, 2014 7:18 pm

Since the pre-season has started this thread will no longer be "stickied"
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