NBA likely to vote on changing draft odds next month

[WVU]

Define "made a difference."

There are plenty of bona fide NBA players that could have made sixers more watchable this year and (if the long-rumored lottery proposal goes through) would not have hurt lottery odds that much.

Yes, Channing Frye would have made the Sixers better this year but Jerami Grant is more watchable to me. The definition of difference is enough to make people like you stop whining.

Loul Deng, Ariza, Chandler Parsons, Bledsoe, Lowrly, Monroe. Were all attainable and could have helped immensely.
Parsons would have filled a big need in a 3 that spaces the floor. Why not go for him?

Oh right because you are trying to put the worst possible team to get the top pick. That is what people are talking about.
You were one of the teams with the most cap space and still you didn't even attempt to get those guys.

Parsons would have fit perfectly in a young guy who can grow with the core of your team. But nope.

Why the **** would we sign Chandler Parsons to a max deal? Dude get out of our forum with your dumb reasoning.

[Sixersftw]

You were selling high on Jrue. On a team that was rebuilding.

No we didn't. We sold high on Jrue to kickstart rebuilding. Before Jrue was traded that team was a stagnant also ran without any other tradeable asset of real value. The FO did the brave thing and tried to make a dollar out of fifteen cents.

Payton is at least equal to Saric. Time will tell if he is better but he seems like it based on his summer league performance so far. But again who knows. But he was talent you desperately needed.

Tell me why we need what appears to be the less talented player now rather than the more talented player a year later? What would Payton, who plays the same position as the reigning ROY, do this year for this team that is so remarkable compared to a likely better prospect next year? You don't have an answer I'm guessing.

Then you went ahead and signed NO ONE. When you needed talent in the worst way. It was obvious what you were doing and no one likes it except sixers fans. That should tell you all you need to know about this situation.

we've been an 7-10th pick enough thanks but no thanks. We shouldn't just sign players just because you have no idea the ramifications of signing crappy MLE contracts (no major FA is coming here). The Sixers have been down that rabbit hole numerous times and we are done.

Also the point that no one likes it means its bad is ridiculous.

Look at the Celtics for comparison. They gave up their best players for picks BUT they kept adding talent. Did anyone say anything? No.

You mean Evan Turner? Great pick up.

[CoreyGallagher]

You were selling high on Jrue. On a team that was rebuilding.

We sold high on Payton as well, Hinkie drafted him because he suspected the Magic were intending to and he was exactly correct which is why they traded so much more him...

Payton is at least equal to Saric. Time will tell if he is better but he seems like it based on his summer league performance so far. But again who knows. But he was talent you desperately needed. Way different situations.

How does he seem better based on his SL performance? Saric didn't even compete in the SL, he did play in FIBA however and played exceptionally well. Also, if Payton is supposedly about equal to Saric than we certainly won that trade by getting so much for swapping the two.

Then you went ahead and signed NO ONE. When you needed talent in the worst way. It was obvious what you were doing and no one likes it except sixers fans. That should tell you all you need to know about this situation.

Look at the Celtics for comparison. They gave up their best players for picks BUT they kept adding talent. Did anyone say anything? No.

Who did the Celtics sign?

[marcush]

All the talk about who we have chosen to draft being a tanking strategy is purely for simpletons. It's just who they view as the best players long term.

The team making no effort to replace our experienced players with other middling talent is tanking though. We have draftees and Dleague talent and that is a problem.

The plan to change the odds should only increase tanking more but is aimed to stop our uber tank, which it probably will not. So, probably just Silver buckling to public demand again.

[Cokeleaf]

By the sounds of things the new draft reform will certainly take place. Doesn't hurt as much as it would have if this happened last year but still, let's just win the lottery

[Sixersftw]

By the sounds of things the new draft reform will certainly take place. Doesn't hurt as much as it would have if this happened last year but still, let's just win the lottery

I really didn't care about winning the lottery but now its like priority 1 must have. Just the hate would be delightful.

[Mik317]

No shocked.

If my team wasn't getting hosed by it, I'd agree with the actual plan.

It should curtail tanking but I hope fans are ready for more treadmill teams and overpaying lower level talent.

[42uptop]

Who is saying I don't see the long term plan here? Everyone can see what Hinkie is doing. EVERYONE.

That doesn't change what I said. Not one bit.

Don't hate the player. Hate the game

[42uptop]

Also, this new lottery system is substituting one problem for another. Now there is a ton of incentive for middle of the pack teams to intentionally miss the playoffs and throw their hat into the lottery ring. I give it 2 seasons before a team intentionally bottoms out of the playoff picture and we're back at square one. The lottery is a useless gimmick that needs to be scrapped.

[Kobblehead]

There are too many intelligent people in the league front office to be this stupid. This is just making the league worse. Instead of 3-4 teams tanking, there's gonna be 6-8 teams throwing games at the end of the year to miss the playoffs in addition to the usual 3-4 tankers.

So every March, 2/5ths of the league is gonna be mailing it in.

[Eyeamok]

The 89/90 Pistons took an aggressive approach to winning to. They tried hurting their opponents to get a win. Now was that allowed back then? Sure.
Were they playing around the rules set forth back then? Sure.
Was it dirty and unsportsmanlike? Yep.
Did it cause and uproar for the league to change the rules? Yep

Same concept, except the dirty part. This is just disgraceful to competitive sports to field the worst team possible. I don't see why you can't see that.

Because its equally disgraceful to competitive sports to not be willing to try anything creative to become a contender and instead simply accept your fate as perpetual also ran. Look, no one is going to change your opinion on this and you're entitled to have it. But thinking that your opinion is the only one with moral authority is wrong.

Look no one batted an eye when he traded an all star for picks. Good trade actually. Sell high.
But to keep your best player out. Ok. Maybe he was "injured". MAYBE.

But the draft was the final nail in the coffin for Hinkie. Had you kept Payton no one would have said anything. But you had to trade him for a guy who won't play for 2 years when you were in dire need of talent. And you didn't sign anyone that was an nba caliber player.
I can't remember ANYONE doing this in team sports.

You call it creative, I call it smug, unsportsmanlike and unprofessional. And now the rules have changed because everyone can see that.

Keep Payton...why we have the ROY on our team and guess what position he plays.

We got the guy we wanted and we got our draft pick back. I's say that was a pretty good haul...but you already know that.

I doubt you are here to engage in debate that could actually change the way you think.
A lot of the people said the Pistons played hard and tough basketball not dirty! Two sides of the same coin. Funny enough that brand of basketball helped the Pistons to win a championship or two and even today when you say bad boys people know which team you are talking about and they associate hard winning basketball with that name. Sign me up!!!!

[sixerswillrule]

That is not the point. You guys tried as hard as you could to get the worst record by keeping your best player out. You purposely picked two guys who wouldn't play this year so that you would be horrible again and get another top pick.

You purposely didn't sign anyone to field a horrible basketball team.
The bucks who were the worse never did any of those things. They were just plain bad. But you purposely did all those things.

Now you are right, that is well within the rules. But so was punching an opponent without getting tossed in the 80s. The bad boys brought to light what horrible rules they had and changed them.

Your team just brought to light how someone can purposely put the worst product possible to get some ping pong balls. And now the rules changed no different.

What your team is doing is not against the rules but it goes against what everyone has ever been taught and that is to try to compete no matter what and let the chips fall where they may. And that is where the issue lies.

You sir seem to have no concept of a long term vision. If all goes well the 76ers are fast tracking their way out of the lottery and into being contenders. Most teams get out of the lottery and stay average, at best for years. The 76ers are being bad for a few years in hopes they never ever sniff the lottery again for a good decade or more.

Once upon a time everyone was taught that the world was flat. New ideas came along and boom things changed. Just because you were taught something does not mean it is the only way to do things for the rest of your life. Things change, people (Hinkie) innovate and try new ways to do things. That's life.

The same people that are crying about how unfair the 76ers are...will be crying even harder at the end of the season if they change the lottery and the 76ers end up with the #1 pick.

Surface level analysis at its best. Let's go point by point:
You guys tried as hard as you could to get the worst record by keeping your best player out.
Are we talking about Noel? The guy with the ACL tear? You mean we did the same exact thing as the Bulls or any other team with a franchise player who had a major injury....

You purposely picked two guys who wouldn't play this year so that you would be horrible again and get another top pick.
We picked the two best players available. Period. Had Embiid not gotten hurt, we don't get him and happily snag Wiggins or Parker. And if you saw Saric play in the World Cup, you'd know he's legit.

You purposely didn't sign anyone to field a horrible basketball team.
So we're supposed to overpay some vet, tie up our salary cap space and reduce minutes to our young guys to make you feel better? Ok, no.

The bucks who were the worse never did any of those things. They were just plain bad. But you purposely did all those things.
And still had a better record. Which defeats your point, a bit, no? And we still have a better roster than last year. Probably won't have the worst record in the league this year either. Kind of odd for such a cheating, tanking team, isn't it?

He's not interested in dealing with facts and logic.

[Ericb5]

Define "made a difference."

There are plenty of bona fide NBA players that could have made sixers more watchable this year and (if the long-rumored lottery proposal goes through) would not have hurt lottery odds that much.

Yes, Channing Frye would have made the Sixers better this year but Jerami Grant is more watchable to me. The definition of difference is enough to make people like you stop whining.

Loul Deng, Ariza, Chandler Parsons, Bledsoe, Lowrly, Monroe. Were all attainable and could have helped immensely.
Parsons would have filled a big need in a 3 that spaces the floor. Why not go for him?

Oh right because you are trying to put the worst possible team to get the top pick. That is what people are talking about.
You were one of the teams with the most cap space and still you didn't even attempt to get those guys.

Parsons would have fit perfectly in a young guy who can grow with the core of your team. But nope.

Look, I understand why people don't like tanking, but it is what it is. Many teams tank and the Sixers are just doing it more blatantly. It is distasteful, but so is the move towards superstar laden teams trying to corner the market ala Miami over the last few years.

Every team should do whatever they can within the rules to increase their chances of winning a championship.

The goal is to win the title and not just be respectable. Every one of the free agents that you mentioned would help to make us respectable, but NONE of them will help us win a championship.

Let's take them one by one.

Luol Deng: A good player that is near 30 years old, that is not a star
Channing Frye: a pure role player who would not have made a difference to us on the court, and would take minutes away from Noel and Joel. If we were going to sign him then we might as well have kept Hawes.
Ariza: see Luol Deng.
Bledsoe: a point guard requiring a Max contract when we already have our point guard
Lowry: a point guard require a very big contract when we already have our point guard.
Parsons: I like him, but he just got WAY overpaid
Monroe: I like him, but again he is a non fit with Noel and Joel and would require a huge contract

None of these guys help us win a title. If, two years from now we have a healthy Embiid established as our franchise player, continued development of MCW and Noel into very good allstar caliber players, a few more high draft picks, Saric coming over, a few players found in the second round, and we win around 40 games, then signing a player like Deng, Ariza or Parsons at that time would make sense.

Until you are ready to compete it makes NO sense to pay for free agent role players that are older than 25 or so, and command salaries above 8-10 million dollars.

We did exactly what the naysayers say that we should do for the last decade and got nowhere. You cannot win in the NBA by being mediocre. Historically, you can only get superstars by drafting them at the top of the draft, and mostly in the top 5, or by signing max free agents.

Max free agents go to places that satisfy one of two requirements. Either they go to a huge market team, or they go to a team that already has a superstar. So if you are not a huge market team then you pretty much have to draft a superstar to have a shot. San Antonio would have never been able to sign Tim Duncan as a max free agent for example. They had to draft him, ironically during a season of pure tanking when a contending team lost their franchise player to a back injury, fell to last place, and then kept him out beyond when he could have come back and won 21 games.

If Embiid turns in to Duncan then everything will be fine, but until we know that that is what we have, then we have nothing and have to continue to try to find a superstar through the draft. The Sixers have been doing EXACTLY what they should be doing in these circumstances. Plus they have been doing it for only about 16 months so it isn't like they have been doing it for 5 years.

[WorldBeFree]

You were selling high on Jrue. On a team that was rebuilding.

Payton is at least equal to Saric. Time will tell if he is better but he seems like it based on his summer league performance so far. But again who knows. But he was talent you desperately needed. Way different situations.

Then you went ahead and signed NO ONE. When you needed talent in the worst way. It was obvious what you were doing and no one likes it except sixers fans. That should tell you all you need to know about this situation.

Look at the Celtics for comparison. They gave up their best players for picks BUT they kept adding talent. Did anyone say anything? No.

I get it, its your team and you will defend it no matter what. Look we have people in our board that defend JR Smith even though he is a complete moron and a detriment to our team. It doesn't make it right though.

Are you high? We desperately needed Payton when we have the point guard of our future in MCW? Payton was a bargaining chip and nothing else. We got exactly what we needed from him. I was rooting for McDermott to be honest, but Payton is most definitely not at a need position, at all. And if we're gonna talk about summer league and ignore the World Cup, which is a much higher level competition, with much higher stakes....then I have a hard time taking what you're saying in good faith.

Navarro, Juan Carlos

All star in the Spain national team but wouldn't be able to cut a starting lineup in the nba.

And again I said who knows. I don't know who will be better. I never said anything definite.

Navarro was the best 3 point shooter in his class, he played around 25 min for the grizzlies and i think got something like 10 ppg, which is not bad for the first and ONLY year in the nba. After a year he went back to spain, because he missed home and thats perfectly Ok, i wouldn't leave a place too were i am treated like a god.

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[Hardcore6erFan]

And next year when the Lakers have the worst record but get the 7th pick (which would go to Phoenix) the media will be calling for lottery reform again.

[Skates]

I love how Hinkie picking the top rated player left on the board at 3 and 10/12 this year suddenly became a sin. Other than Payton, whom they drafted and traded since he played the same position as our reigning ROY, Saric was the only guy left on the board from the upper/second tier of talent. It isn't like they passed on more highly rather players to grab Embiid and Saric just so they could not play this year (personally I believe we may see Embiid this season), and even if the Sixers had gone after other players, lower rated ones as we should have apparently, does anyone really think that some combination of Dante Exum and whichever mid first round talent you like would have made this team suddenly that much better.

Exum, the next most talented guy at 3, is extremely talented and equally raw. The guys after Saric were pretty much at about the same talent level as KJ McDaniels, the draft really leveled out from the early teens to the mid thirties. If Wiggins had been available at 3 or Vonleh/Stuaskas at 10, there is every possibility that they would have been picked instead of Embiid/Saric, and the team would still stink record wise this year.

It drives me nuts to see posters and commentators saying they understand the long term reasons for what the Sixers did and yet bitching about it. So instead of taking the two guys with the highest draft grades, plus getting an extra first rounder in the process, the Sixers should have drafted lesser rated, but more available players to make dinosaurs like George Karl happy? Then signed a bunch of middling free agents, at best, just to use their cap space? Overpaid better FA's like Parsons on contracts that will be expiring when the team is maturing?

Say you don't like the draft system, but to blame it all on the Sixers draft this year, which really seems to have triggered the bitter hatred way more than last year, is ridiculous.

[BullyKing]

Define "made a difference."

There are plenty of bona fide NBA players that could have made sixers more watchable this year and (if the long-rumored lottery proposal goes through) would not have hurt lottery odds that much.

Yes, Channing Frye would have made the Sixers better this year but Jerami Grant is more watchable to me. The definition of difference is enough to make people like you stop whining.

Loul Deng, Ariza, Chandler Parsons, Bledsoe, Lowrly, Monroe. Were all attainable and could have helped immensely.
Parsons would have filled a big need in a 3 that spaces the floor. Why not go for him?

Oh right because you are trying to put the worst possible team to get the top pick. That is what people are talking about.
You were one of the teams with the most cap space and still you didn't even attempt to get those guys.

Parsons would have fit perfectly in a young guy who can grow with the core of your team. But nope.

Why would Parsons have signed with us when he could and did get the same amount of money from the Mavs?

[LloydFree]

Also, this new lottery system is substituting one problem for another. Now there is a ton of incentive for middle of the pack teams to intentionally miss the playoffs and throw their hat into the lottery ring. I give it 2 seasons before a team intentionally bottoms out of the playoff picture and we're back at square one. The lottery is a useless gimmick that needs to be scrapped.

Exactly. You'll just have 10 teams falling over themselves in February and March trying as hard as possible to get away from the the #8 seed and the 4 late lottery teams trying to get into the bottom 10 teams. Basically copying the '96 and '07 Celtics playbook.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Define "made a difference."

There are plenty of bona fide NBA players that could have made sixers more watchable this year and (if the long-rumored lottery proposal goes through) would not have hurt lottery odds that much.

Yes, Channing Frye would have made the Sixers better this year but Jerami Grant is more watchable to me. The definition of difference is enough to make people like you stop whining.

Loul Deng, Ariza, Chandler Parsons, Bledsoe, Lowrly, Monroe. Were all attainable and could have helped immensely.
Parsons would have filled a big need in a 3 that spaces the floor. Why not go for him?

Oh right because you are trying to put the worst possible team to get the top pick. That is what people are talking about.
You were one of the teams with the most cap space and still you didn't even attempt to get those guys.

Parsons would have fit perfectly in a young guy who can grow with the core of your team. But nope.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

1. Just because you thought those players could make a difference, doesn't mean the Sixers did, or that the Sixers liked those players in their own evaluations.

2. Those players would not have made any difference whatsoever, other than maybe adding 5 wins to the Sixers' total at the end of the season and putting them farther back into mediocrity.

3. They are most likely trying to keep that cap room for future superstar players down the road.

4. Even if the Sixers were interested, they still would have to compete with other teams, and those players would have to want to come here anyway.

You sound butthurt to be honest. You're a Knicks fan? Figures. Your team sucks, and you try to go for it every year, because your front office doesn't have a damn clue what they are doing. Also, congrats on signing one of the most overrated players in pro sports to a massive contract. Let me know when Melo plays a lick of defense or shows up in a big game.

Nothing the Sixers did is unprofessional. It's their team and it's their right to build it the way they want. It's no one else's damn business to tell the Sixers how to build their team. They see a method they think will lead them to the promised land, and they have chosen to build that way. People need to worry about their own teams, instead of being jealous that they can't "tank" because they don't have ownership support like the Sixers do.

[Da Doctor]

Should we have not taken BPA at 3 and 12? Should we have wasted cash on Chandler Parsons and Eric Bledsoe to get a 8 seed? The NBA has no one to blame but themselves for this.

The good news is that we have our hopeful superstar already, not Rodney Hood and another treadmill season.