Where does Wade's 06 finals performance rank all time?

[Pg81]

If we're gonna discredit the numbers Wade put up in that series because of the free throws, why don't we do that for every player? Why can't I say Shaq only has 3 rings because 2002 vs the Kings shouldn't count, or whatever. Wade got to the line a lot, deal with it. Rate his performance on stuff that actually happened, not what might have happened if it was reffed differently.

Nice strawman here. No one said it should not count, whatever you mean by that. What we said is that we do not regard it as highly as others due to the reason already mentioned.

For clarification, Shaq was actually fouled, real hard contact was made to ensure he goes to the ffree throw line. Yes, he did get quite a few points due to the Hack-a-Shaq tactic but guess what? If not for that tactic, he might have been able to score even more. There was a reason for that and just in case you forgot, he was a terrible ft shooter. He was just so dominant that free throws were his only real weakness so the best way to stop him was to force him shooting free throws.

Without the absurd amount of throws he got, Wade would have never gotten close to the points he scored in that series.
Heck, two less foul calls and the Mavs might have still won that series.

Oh and by the way, we do rate what happened. Wade got an absurd amount of foul calls. That really happened, believe it or not.

[BBallFreak]

If we're gonna discredit the numbers Wade put up in that series because of the free throws, why don't we do that for every player? Why can't I say Shaq only has 3 rings because 2002 vs the Kings shouldn't count, or whatever. Wade got to the line a lot, deal with it. Rate his performance on stuff that actually happened, not what might have happened if it was reffed differently.

Nice strawman here. No one said it should not count, whatever you mean by that. What we said is that we do not regard it as highly as others due to the reason already mentioned.

For clarification, Shaq was actually fouled, real hard contact was made to ensure he goes to the ffree throw line. Yes, he did get quite a few points due to the Hack-a-Shaq tactic but guess what? If not for that tactic, he might have been able to score even more. There was a reason for that and just in case you forgot, he was a terrible ft shooter. He was just so dominant that free throws were his only real weakness so the best way to stop him was to force him shooting free throws.

Without the absurd amount of throws he got, Wade would have never gotten close to the points he scored in that series.
Heck, two less foul calls and the Mavs might have still won that series.

Oh and by the way, we do rate what happened. Wade got an absurd amount of foul calls. That really happened, believe it or not.

See, the problem with this line of thinking is that Hack-A-Shaq happened at the same time as Wade got all those calls. Seriously, you can't get yourself into the bonus two minutes into the game and not expect a parade of free throws. When you set the standard for trying to foul, it's going to be easier for the ref to blow the whistle. Sorry, but live by the foul, die by the foul...

[Pg81]

If we're gonna discredit the numbers Wade put up in that series because of the free throws, why don't we do that for every player? Why can't I say Shaq only has 3 rings because 2002 vs the Kings shouldn't count, or whatever. Wade got to the line a lot, deal with it. Rate his performance on stuff that actually happened, not what might have happened if it was reffed differently.

Nice strawman here. No one said it should not count, whatever you mean by that. What we said is that we do not regard it as highly as others due to the reason already mentioned.

For clarification, Shaq was actually fouled, real hard contact was made to ensure he goes to the ffree throw line. Yes, he did get quite a few points due to the Hack-a-Shaq tactic but guess what? If not for that tactic, he might have been able to score even more. There was a reason for that and just in case you forgot, he was a terrible ft shooter. He was just so dominant that free throws were his only real weakness so the best way to stop him was to force him shooting free throws.

Without the absurd amount of throws he got, Wade would have never gotten close to the points he scored in that series.
Heck, two less foul calls and the Mavs might have still won that series.

Oh and by the way, we do rate what happened. Wade got an absurd amount of foul calls. That really happened, believe it or not.

See, the problem with this line of thinking is that Hack-A-Shaq happened at the same time as Wade got all those calls. Seriously, you can't get yourself into the bonus two minutes into the game and not expect a parade of free throws. When you set the standard for trying to foul, it's going to be easier for the ref to blow the whistle. Sorry, but live by the foul, die by the foul...

At the same time? What is that supposed to mean? You can spin this however you want, no SG prior to Wade got it so easy to get FTs. Not even MJ and he was significantly better than Wade. Truth is while his finals run was great there are many which are greater and Wades stats especially point wise are heavily inflated by the easy FTs he got, not because he was so dominant but because of the no hand checking rule and the bad officiating.
Shaq got his fouls fair and square. The opponents team designed it as a strategy to limit Shaq. Even with his bad free throw shooting and the forced FTs Shaq still averaged more than Wade in a tougher defensive era.
Wade got party lucky. Mavs didn't hit some baskets they should have but he also got quite a few questionable free throw calls. More than any other superstar I have seen prior.

Ok now I looked up Shaqs stats of that series and this is a laughably bad argument.
Shaq had 69 free throw attempts in 7 games against Sacramento. That's not even 10 free throws per game. Wade avaraged 3 times that in 6 games.

Thanks for actually proving that Wade's points are heavily inflated due overly harsh offciating to enforce the new no handchecking rule.

[BBallFreak]

At the same time? What is that supposed to mean?

It means that employing Hack-A-Shaq all game long, while trying to play Wade physically is going to lead you to problems. That's what happened. The Mavs came out, determined to make Shaq earn it from the line, fouled him early and often, and Wade took advantage and attacked, thus getting himself to the line. Had the Mavs tried to actually defend Shaq, rather than getting themselves into the bonus within the first couple of minutes of every quarter, Wade wouldn't have gotten all those free throws.

You can spin this however you want, no SG prior to Wade got it so easy to get FTs. Not even MJ and he was significantly better than Wade. Truth is while his finals run was great there are many which are greater and Wades stats especially point wise are heavily inflated by the easy FTs he got, not because he was so dominant but because of the no hand checking rule and the bad officiating.

And YOU can spin it anyway YOU want, but the Mavs played it stupid. You gave Miami an easy win by playing Hack-A-Shaq from the opening tip.

Shaq got his fouls fair and square. The opponents team designed it as a strategy to limit Shaq. Even with his bad free throw shooting and the forced FTs Shaq still averaged more than Wade in a tougher defensive era.

But Hack-A-Shaq created the free throws for Wade. They are not mutually exclusive. For every action their is an equal or opposite reaction. The Mavs gave Wade the opportunity by fouling Shaq on every possession.

Wade got party lucky. Mavs didn't hit some baskets they should have but he also got quite a few questionable free throw calls. More than any other superstar I have seen prior.

Ok now I looked up Shaqs stats of that series and this is a laughably bad argument.
Shaq had 69 free throw attempts in 7 games against Sacramento. That's not even 10 free throws per game. Wade avaraged 3 times that in 6 games.

Thanks for actually proving that Wade's points are heavily inflated due overly harsh offciating to enforce the new no handchecking rule.

You spin it anyway you want but the rules were the same for Miami as they were for Dallas. The Mavs just couldn't take advantage, offensively, and defensively they gave Wade exactly what he needed to destroy Dallas - constant foul trouble and no one who could stay in front of him...

[Pg81]

At the same time? What is that supposed to mean?

It means that employing Hack-A-Shaq all game long, while trying to play Wade physically is going to lead you to problems. That's what happened. The Mavs came out, determined to make Shaq earn it from the line, fouled him early and often, and Wade took advantage and attacked, thus getting himself to the line. Had the Mavs tried to actually defend Shaq, rather than getting themselves into the bonus within the first couple of minutes of every quarter, Wade wouldn't have gotten all those free throws.

You can spin this however you want, no SG prior to Wade got it so easy to get FTs. Not even MJ and he was significantly better than Wade. Truth is while his finals run was great there are many which are greater and Wades stats especially point wise are heavily inflated by the easy FTs he got, not because he was so dominant but because of the no hand checking rule and the bad officiating.

And YOU can spin it anyway YOU want, but the Mavs played it stupid. You gave Miami an easy win by playing Hack-A-Shaq from the opening tip.

Shaq got his fouls fair and square. The opponents team designed it as a strategy to limit Shaq. Even with his bad free throw shooting and the forced FTs Shaq still averaged more than Wade in a tougher defensive era.

But Hack-A-Shaq created the free throws for Wade. They are not mutually exclusive. For every action their is an equal or opposite reaction. The Mavs gave Wade the opportunity by fouling Shaq on every possession.

Wade got party lucky. Mavs didn't hit some baskets they should have but he also got quite a few questionable free throw calls. More than any other superstar I have seen prior.

Ok now I looked up Shaqs stats of that series and this is a laughably bad argument.
Shaq had 69 free throw attempts in 7 games against Sacramento. That's not even 10 free throws per game. Wade avaraged 3 times that in 6 games.

Thanks for actually proving that Wade's points are heavily inflated due overly harsh offciating to enforce the new no handchecking rule.

You spin it anyway you want but the rules were the same for Miami as they were for Dallas. The Mavs just couldn't take advantage, offensively, and defensively they gave Wade exactly what he needed to destroy Dallas - constant foul trouble and no one who could stay in front of him...

They didnt play Hack a Wade, heck the last games they tried to avoid contact and still got whistled. Also the first games they focused more on limiting Shaq than Wade.

So let me ask you this, how come that Hack a Shaq leads Shaq to have barely 10 FTs against Sacramento in the 2002 WCFs?
How come that Wade never averaged 16 FTs and 18 from game 3-6 again in any series? How come he was the only one to ever do so right after the hand checking rules were removed? If he was such a great player, why is the 2006 finals such a massive outlier not only for a single game or two, but for an entire series?

You are also making little sense. The Mavs didnt play Hack a Shaq. There was no need to he was past his prime. Hack a Shaq was referenced for Shaq's 3 peat in LA. Also how is fouling Shaq getting Wade any free throws? Makes no sense whatsoever.

You can spin it all you want, but Wades amount of free throws was absurd regardless how you want to tell the story.

[BBallFreak]

They didnt play Hack a Wade, heck the last games they tried to avoid contact and still got whistled. Also the first games they focused more on limiting Shaq than Wade.

EXACTLY MY POINT! The played Hack-A-Shaq from opening tip to close. Their goal was to stop Shaq, not Wade. So they fouled him every time he touched the ball. At a certain point, Miami stopped giving him the ball and started letting Wade destroy an already foul troubled team. By the time Wade became the focus of Miami's offense, the Mavs were already in foul trouble.

So let me ask you this, how come that Hack a Shaq leads Shaq to have barely 10 FTs against Sacramento in the 2002 WCFs?

Because the Kings didn't play Hack-A-Shaq from the opening tip to the close of the game, like the Mavs did.

How come that Wade never averaged 16 FTs and 18 from game 3-6 again in any series? How come he was the only one to ever do so right after the hand checking rules were removed? If he was such a great player, why is the 2006 finals such a massive outlier not only for a single game or two, but for an entire series?

HACK-A-SHAQ! Really? Do I need to keep spelling it out? The Mavs employed it from the opening tip. No one else did. Hence, the free throw disparity.

You are also making little sense. The Mavs didnt play Hack a Shaq. There was no need to he was past his prime. Hack a Shaq was referenced for Shaq's 3 peat in LA. Also how is fouling Shaq getting Wade any free throws? Makes no sense whatsoever.

You and I clearly remember a very different series.
You can spin it all you want, but Wades amount of free throws was absurd regardless how you want to tell the story.[/quote]
Wade's ridiculous amount of free throws Really silly considering Dirk was smashing free throw records in previous rounds. The Mavs don't get to face Miami without the free throw advantage...

[Pg81]

They didnt play Hack a Wade, heck the last games they tried to avoid contact and still got whistled. Also the first games they focused more on limiting Shaq than Wade.

EXACTLY MY POINT! The played Hack-A-Shaq from opening tip to close. Their goal was to stop Shaq, not Wade. So they fouled him every time he touched the ball. At a certain point, Miami stopped giving him the ball and started letting Wade destroy an already foul troubled team. By the time Wade became the focus of Miami's offense, the Mavs were already in foul trouble.

So let me ask you this, how come that Hack a Shaq leads Shaq to have barely 10 FTs against Sacramento in the 2002 WCFs?

Because the Kings didn't play Hack-A-Shaq from the opening tip to the close of the game, like the Mavs did.

How come that Wade never averaged 16 FTs and 18 from game 3-6 again in any series? How come he was the only one to ever do so right after the hand checking rules were removed? If he was such a great player, why is the 2006 finals such a massive outlier not only for a single game or two, but for an entire series?

HACK-A-SHAQ! Really? Do I need to keep spelling it out? The Mavs employed it from the opening tip. No one else did. Hence, the free throw disparity.

You are also making little sense. The Mavs didnt play Hack a Shaq. There was no need to he was past his prime. Hack a Shaq was referenced for Shaq's 3 peat in LA. Also how is fouling Shaq getting Wade any free throws? Makes no sense whatsoever.

You and I clearly remember a very different series.
You can spin it all you want, but Wades amount of free throws was absurd regardless how you want to tell the story.

Wade's ridiculous amount of free throws Really silly considering Dirk was smashing free throw records in previous rounds. The Mavs don't get to face Miami without the free throw advantage...

1.) It was not me who brought up Hack a Shaq. Regardless who and when it was used, Shaq never came close to the free trow attempts Wade was gifted with.

2.) We were talking about Wade's free throws. Not Shaqs. Stop throwing around red herrings. Shaq's amount of free throws have nothing to do with Wades.

3.) Dirk's free throw records primarily revolve around free throws MADE, not attempted. That's a big difference, but as usual Wade fans ignore that.

4.) Please plaster your posts with more silly smileys. Give them so much more "substance.

At this point it becomes actually quite obvious that you are not here for a discussion. You just want to have a fight since you do not like people having an opinion similar to mine.
If you all you can come up with are more red herrings I'll just put you on ignore. I got no problem with people thinking that Wade's 2006 performance is a top 10 or even top 5 all time great performance. I do have a problem with people like you just trying to bash people who differ in opinion.

Edit:
Just looked up Shaq's 2006 final stats. He averaged 8 FTs and in the first two games in which Shaq was more of a focus to the Mavs defense and he got 9 free throws in game 1 and 7 free throws in game 2 which is basically his average for the entire series.
It's also worth mentioning that Shaq averaged nearly 8 FTs over the entire 2006 playoff series so it is kinda strange of you to claim that Dallas played a lot of "Hack-a-Shaq" and it is not reflected in his stats. At all. Unless you want to tell me every team played "Hack-a-Shaq" the entire playoffs.

[Perkele]

1.) It was not me who brought up Hack a Shaq. Regardless who and when it was used, Shaq never came close to the free trow attempts Wade was gifted with.

2.) We were talking about Wade's free throws. Not Shaqs. Stop throwing around red herrings. Shaq's amount of free throws have nothing to do with Wades.

3.) Dirk's free throw records primarily revolve around free throws MADE, not attempted. That's a big difference, but as usual Wade fans ignore that.

4.) Please plaster your posts with more silly smileys. Give them so much more "substance.

At this point it becomes actually quite obvious that you are not here for a discussion. You just want to have a fight since you do not like people having an opinion similar to mine.
If you all you can come up with are more red herrings I'll just put you on ignore. I got no problem with people thinking that Wade's 2006 performance is a top 10 or even top 5 all time great performance. I do have a problem with people like you just trying to bash people who differ in opinion.

Edit:
Just looked up Shaq's 2006 final stats. He averaged 8 FTs and in the first two games in which Shaq was more of a focus to the Mavs defense and he got 9 free throws in game 1 and 7 free throws in game 2 which is basically his average for the entire series.
It's also worth mentioning that Shaq averaged nearly 8 FTs over the entire 2006 playoff series so it is kinda strange of you to claim that Dallas played a lot of "Hack-a-Shaq" and it is not reflected in his stats. At all. Unless you want to tell me every team played "Hack-a-Shaq" the entire playoffs.

Exactly. But I'm not surprised, that's something Wade homers constantly ignore. Just take a look at my post on the first page of the thread, it's pretty obvious who got carried by the refs. Attempting a FT is not the same as actually making them.

But as he was tallking about the previous rounds, let's have a look at the WCSF against the Spurs... Yep, the Spurs got screwed... seriously, the "arguments" made by BBallFreak hold no water. Actually, Duncan got more FT's in that series than Dirk.

NBA Playoffs 2006

Mavs: 28, 43, 50, 32, 19, 20, 31 = 223
Spurs: 30, 37, 32, 32, 31, 34, 39 = 235

Mavs: 26, 28, 26, 27, 25, 23 = 155
Heat: 19, 32, 34, 36, 49, 37 = 207

[Pg81]

Duncan had 10 more free throws than Dirk over the course of the series. Talking about Dirk getting free throws "gifted". /sigh

[Texas Chuck]

Dallas didn't play Hack a Shaq in the 06 Finals. Where is that even coming from? And they certainly never did it early in games or quarters because there is zero value to it until you get into the bonus. But they wouldn't have anyway because Avery didn't believe in that. Did Nellie do it a ton when Shaq was in LA? Of course he did. But this was peak Shaq and the Dallas centers were Bradley and Rafe. He had no choice. This was still very good Shaq, but not quite the same beast and Dallas had Dampier and Diop two big physical centers. Just completely different. But even if they might would have done it---the fact remains they never did. Did they foul him hard to prevent easy buckets inside? Yeah. But claiming they just wrapped him up away from the ball is odd since that was never the strategy.

They did put a ton of defensive focus on Shaq. That is correct. And its part of why Wade went off--that and the fact that Dallas didn't have anybody who could remotely handle Wade defensively. He was way too quick and explosive for Griffin or Howard and way too strong for Devin.

Yes the officiating was out of control. And yes Cuban had been ref-baiting for years. Do I wish they had let guys play--not just in that series, but in the playoffs overall? Yeah I think we all do. But again, for me, it goes back to the coaches(and here Avery got exposed) and players adjusting to the game that is being called. Riley and Wade did, and Avery and the Mavericks really didn't.

So are some of Wade's numbers inflated because of how the series was reffed? Of course they are. Even Heat guys admit that. But anyone who watched those games knows that Wade was far and away the best player on the court(and everyone knows how I feel about Dirk). He was a beast.

[Basketballefan]

If we're gonna discredit the numbers Wade put up in that series because of the free throws, why don't we do that for every player? Why can't I say Shaq only has 3 rings because 2002 vs the Kings shouldn't count, or whatever. Wade got to the line a lot, deal with it. Rate his performance on stuff that actually happened, not what might have happened if it was reffed differently.

Without the absurd amount of throws he got, Wade would have never gotten close to the points he scored in that series.
Heck, two less foul calls and the Mavs might have still won that series.

Oh and by the way, we do rate what happened. Wade got an absurd amount of foul calls. That really happened, believe it or not.

Even if Wade got his normal free throw amount he still would've had a really good series.

The Mavs really lost, "believe it or not", deal with it.

[Pg81]

If we're gonna discredit the numbers Wade put up in that series because of the free throws, why don't we do that for every player? Why can't I say Shaq only has 3 rings because 2002 vs the Kings shouldn't count, or whatever. Wade got to the line a lot, deal with it. Rate his performance on stuff that actually happened, not what might have happened if it was reffed differently.

Without the absurd amount of throws he got, Wade would have never gotten close to the points he scored in that series.
Heck, two less foul calls and the Mavs might have still won that series.

Oh and by the way, we do rate what happened. Wade got an absurd amount of foul calls. That really happened, believe it or not.

Even if Wade got his normal free throw amount he still would've had a really good series.

The Mavs really lost, "believe it or not", deal with it.

No one argued that. The topic was if one consider Wade's finals performance a top finals performance of all time. There was never a debate wether he won fair and square.
If you are curious about my opinion, yes he won fair and square. Dallas had their chances despite him getting so man free throws and they blew them.
Again, this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

In conclusion, stop being butthurt that not all fans view Wade's performance in the same light you do.

[bledredwine]

It was amazing, only short of Shaq, prime MJ who both played out of their minds and posted fairy tail stats, and I actually take 94 Hakeem w defensive impact in consideration. Ill also take 87 Magic and 98 MJ just for all of the needed non-scoring fascets/intangibles tey provided at vital times. But Wade played out of his mind and its a shame that he's a shell of his former self. I thought that he deserved MVP over lbj a few years back.

[Perkele]

Without the absurd amount of throws he got, Wade would have never gotten close to the points he scored in that series.
Heck, two less foul calls and the Mavs might have still won that series.

Oh and by the way, we do rate what happened. Wade got an absurd amount of foul calls. That really happened, believe it or not.

Even if Wade got his normal free throw amount he still would've had a really good series.

The Mavs really lost, "believe it or not", deal with it.

No one argued that. The topic was if one consider Wade's finals performance a top finals performance of all time. There was never a debate wether he won fair and square.
If you are curious about my opinion, yes he won fair and square. Dallas had their chances despite him getting so man free throws and they blew them.
Again, this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

In conclusion, stop being butthurt that not all fans view Wade's performance in the same light you do.

Exactly. I already wrote earlier that the refs didn't make the Mavs missing buckets. Especially in game 3 in the 4th quarter. If the Mavs just had made those, they would have won the game despite Wade's parade to the charity stripe. I have never had any problems to admit that. And by winning that game they would ikely have won in 2006 due to the fact of then being up 3-0.

As Pg wrote, the point of this thread was if you see Wade's performance as one of the best of all time. I don't, simply because of the inflated amount of FT's from which many were extremely doubtful calls and some were even made without a Mavs player touching him. And if you take the outcome of game 3, 5 and 6 into consideration (all were decided by 3 points or less), without Wade averaging over 18 FT's between games 3-6, the outcome would very likely have been a different one.

[BBallFreak]

1.) It was not me who brought up Hack a Shaq. Regardless who and when it was used, Shaq never came close to the free trow attempts Wade was gifted with.

I never said he was. I said the fact that they were fouling him like he were a pinata made Wade's job of getting to the free throw line easier.

2.) We were talking about Wade's free throws. Not Shaqs. Stop throwing around red herrings. Shaq's amount of free throws have nothing to do with Wades.

It wasn't about Shaq's free throws. In fact, I never mentioned his free throws. I mentioned the fact that they were fouling him over and over again, before they were in the bonus.

3.) Dirk's free throw records primarily revolve around free throws MADE, not attempted. That's a big difference, but as usual Wade fans ignore that.

Really? Dirk was second to Wade in free throws per game for the playoffs, and before the Finals was number one with a bullet. He was breaking records left and right before Wade out did him. Again, don't hear you complaining about that. And in 2011, Dirk set a record for free throws in a game with 27!

4.) Please plaster your posts with more silly smileys. Give them so much more "substance.

I play to the level of my competition.

At this point it becomes actually quite obvious that you are not here for a discussion. You just want to have a fight since you do not like people having an opinion similar to mine.
If you all you can come up with are more red herrings I'll just put you on ignore. I got no problem with people thinking that Wade's 2006 performance is a top 10 or even top 5 all time great performance. I do have a problem with people like you just trying to bash people who differ in opinion.

I have no problems with differing opinions. I have problems with differing facts. Fact; The Mavs employed Hack-a-Shaq. Not debatable. They attempted to stop Shaq, first and foremost. They went away from it, but by that time, Wade was already shredding them.

Edit:
Just looked up Shaq's 2006 final stats. He averaged 8 FTs and in the first two games in which Shaq was more of a focus to the Mavs defense and he got 9 free throws in game 1 and 7 free throws in game 2 which is basically his average for the entire series.
It's also worth mentioning that Shaq averaged nearly 8 FTs over the entire 2006 playoff series so it is kinda strange of you to claim that Dallas played a lot of "Hack-a-Shaq" and it is not reflected in his stats. At all. Unless you want to tell me every team played "Hack-a-Shaq" the entire playoffs.

Again, not saying they played it the entire time, but they certainly employed it. Not debatable.

Q. Was it frustrating dealing with the hack-a-Shaq thing?

SHAQUILLE O'NEAL: No, I just really wanted to hit him, it felt good leaving my hand but it just didn't go in today. Dwyane Wade, he had a fabulous game. He stuck up for me. I told him that I owe him one.
Read more at http://www.insidehoops.com/shaq-finals- ... UHf2OTg.99

http://www.insidehoops.com/shaq-finals- ... 2006.shtml

That's from Shaq, himself.

O'Neal had just two points at the end of the first quarter despite two of Dallas' three big men -- Erick Dampier, DeSagana Diop -- picking up two personal fouls, forcing the Mavs to turn to third-stringer DJ Mbenga in his first game back after a six-game suspension. But the Heat had some foul trouble, too, with Walker and Haslem each picking up a pair early, and Miami led 24-21 after one quarter.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260618014

Avery is calling the “Hack-a-Shaq” repeatedly when the Heat were not in the bonus. He even ordered it when DeSagana Diop had 5 fouls and had to disqualify himself to do so. He signaled a timeout to his team (that he wanted taken after the next free throw) and since they couldn’t hear what he was saying, they called the timeout. Player error in truth, but a coaching error because of poor communication. There were moments of single-teaming Wade and quadruple-teaming Wade.

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2011/05/ ... e-06.html/

I didn't say he was the one who benefited from the free throws, either. He wasn't. It was Wade. Clearly. I'm not even saying Wade deserved all the free throws. I'm saying that the Mavs strategy helped Wade get free throws. They fouled Shaq early and often, but when Miami got into the bonus, they stopped dumping it down to Shaq.

[Perkele]

Really? Dirk was second to Wade in free throws per game for the playoffs, and before the Finals was number one with a bullet. He was breaking records left and right before Wade out did him. Again, don't hear you complaining about that. And in 2011, Dirk set a record for free throws in a game with 27!
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Guy, at least get your facts straight. It weren't 27 FT's, it were 24. Secondly, it seems you're again unable to separate between FT's made and attempted. The record for FT's attempted in a playoff game is 39 by Shaq. Dirk holds the record for most FT's made without a miss (24-24). The record for most FT's made in a playoff game is 30 by Bob Cousy (30-32). Thirdly, as a team OKC had more FT's than Dallas (43-36). Fourthly, the game was called very tight, everything was called. Fifthly, the last 4 FT's of Dirk were intentional fouls by OKC to stop the clock. Sixthly, did you become a Heat mod because there was a competition and you were elected to be the biggest fan of D-Whistle?

[BBallFreak]

Guy, at least get your facts straight. It weren't 27 FT's, it were 24. Secondly, it seems you're again unable to seperate between FT's made and attempted. The record for FT's attempted in a playoff game is 39 by Shaq. Dirk holds the record for most FT's made (24-24). Thirdly, as a team OKC had more FT's than Dallas (43-36). Fourthly, the game was called very tight, everything was called. Fifthly, the last 4 FT's of Dirk were intentional fouls by OKC to stop the clock. Sixthly, did you become a Heat mod because there was a competition and you were elected to be the biggest fan of D-Whistle?

That's what you've got? Attacking me for reading a number wrong and D-Whistle? Really?

Hack-a-Shaq happened in the 2006 Finals. Deal with it. The Mavs fouled Wade... A lot. Deal with it. And for the record, this "D-Whistle" fan voted top ten. Not GOAT. Not top five. Ten.

[Perkele]

Actually, I rather think you didn't misread Dirk's number, you just raised it on purpose to have some "argument". Again, Dirk NEITHER did set a record for most FT's made nor attempted in the playoffs (Shaq and Cousy). And yeah, if one Dallas player came within one foot of Wade, the whistle was blown. If you call that a foul, fine. And as Chuck already stated, hack-a-shaq did NOT happen in 2006. But seems you're unable to get that.

And finally, I have it already stated twice in this thread that the Mavs have mainly to blame themselves. If they hadn't missed some easy buckets (especially in game 3), the whole FT parade wouldn't have changed anything. That's what happened. But this will not make me stop criticizing the calls Wade got. I have started watching the NBA in 1980 and I have never seen such a bullsh*t before, not even during the Jordan days (and yes, I saw Ray's stats on page 1).

But that's it for me for this thread, I don't see a sense to discuss with someone who isn't able to admit that Wade got a treatment in the finals which has never happened before and since then.

[Pg81]

Guy, at least get your facts straight. It weren't 27 FT's, it were 24. Secondly, it seems you're again unable to seperate between FT's made and attempted. The record for FT's attempted in a playoff game is 39 by Shaq. Dirk holds the record for most FT's made (24-24). Thirdly, as a team OKC had more FT's than Dallas (43-36). Fourthly, the game was called very tight, everything was called. Fifthly, the last 4 FT's of Dirk were intentional fouls by OKC to stop the clock. Sixthly, did you become a Heat mod because there was a competition and you were elected to be the biggest fan of D-Whistle?

That's what you've got? Attacking me for reading a number wrong and D-Whistle? Really?

Hack-a-Shaq happened in the 2006 Finals. Deal with it. The Mavs fouled Wade... A lot. Deal with it. And for the record, this "D-Whistle" fan voted top ten. Not GOAT. Not top five. Ten.

And yet no god damn statistic support your claim. And even more strangely 3 posters by now have refuted your claim that the Mavs played "Hack a Shaq".

Deal with it, you are wrong. I could care less where you rate Wade's finals performance but the "arguments" you bring up do not help your case. At all.

[BBallFreak]

Guy, at least get your facts straight. It weren't 27 FT's, it were 24. Secondly, it seems you're again unable to seperate between FT's made and attempted. The record for FT's attempted in a playoff game is 39 by Shaq. Dirk holds the record for most FT's made (24-24). Thirdly, as a team OKC had more FT's than Dallas (43-36). Fourthly, the game was called very tight, everything was called. Fifthly, the last 4 FT's of Dirk were intentional fouls by OKC to stop the clock. Sixthly, did you become a Heat mod because there was a competition and you were elected to be the biggest fan of D-Whistle?

That's what you've got? Attacking me for reading a number wrong and D-Whistle? Really?

Hack-a-Shaq happened in the 2006 Finals. Deal with it. The Mavs fouled Wade... A lot. Deal with it. And for the record, this "D-Whistle" fan voted top ten. Not GOAT. Not top five. Ten.

And yet no god damn statistic support your claim. And even more strangely 3 posters by now have refuted your claim that the Mavs played "Hack a Shaq".

Deal with it, you are wrong. I could care less where you rate Wade's finals performance but the "arguments" you bring up do not help your case. At all.

And I gave you three links that showed they did play Hack-a-Shaq. Sorry, links trump people saying, "Gee, I don't remember that."