NBA likely to vote on changing draft odds next month

[Eyeamok]

A more experienced GM/owner that's more familiar with the culture of the NBA may've been able to see the problems in this strategy/media approach.

I love how we're fielding a D-league team to get a high pick, but somehow the draft isn't that important to us anymore.

I should make this my signature. Since 1983 the last year this team won a championship. 8 teams have won an NBA championship. I'm gonna let that sink in. 8 teams since 1983.

Perhaps Hinkie's approach to the media has not been the best. But if he thinks that this is the best way to build a champion so be it. Only 8 GM's since we last won a title have got the formula right. A lot of luck and good planning goes into winning a title.

Perhaps Hinkie and ownership was/are aware of the backlash they would face in the media and from other owners/NBA. And they are willing to be mavericks and let their plan run it's course because by not following the crowd they have achieved a lot in their own personal life and are now applying their own life lessons to running this team.

The lottery is important just not as important as last year. And if Embiid is healty....oh boy this team did it just right. And if Embiid is healthy two other teams passed on him because they did not have the stones to take such a gamble. And taking a gamble and hoping it pays off is what you have to do sometimes to separate yourself from the pack.

But you know what I could be wrong, Hinkie and company could be wrong....What would you do Chamberlainship?

[roma258]

Yes, Channing Frye would have made the Sixers better this year but Jerami Grant is more watchable to me. The definition of difference is enough to make people like you stop whining.

Loul Deng, Ariza, Chandler Parsons, Bledsoe, Lowrly, Monroe. Were all attainable and could have helped immensely.
Parsons would have filled a big need in a 3 that spaces the floor. Why not go for him?

Oh right because you are trying to put the worst possible team to get the top pick. That is what people are talking about.
You were one of the teams with the most cap space and still you didn't even attempt to get those guys.

Parsons would have fit perfectly in a young guy who can grow with the core of your team. But nope.

Why would Parsons have signed with us when he could and did get the same amount of money from the Mavs?

Because reasons!!

[Chamberlainship]

A more experienced GM/owner that's more familiar with the culture of the NBA may've been able to see the problems in this strategy/media approach.

I love how we're fielding a D-league team to get a high pick, but somehow the draft isn't that important to us anymore.

I should make this my signature. Since 1983 the last year this team won a championship. 8 teams have won an NBA championship. I'm gonna let that sink in. 8 teams since 1983.

Perhaps Hinkie's approach to the media has not been the best. But if he thinks that this is the best way to build a champion so be it. Only 8 GM's since we last won a title have got the formula right. A lot of luck and good planning goes into winning a title.

Perhaps Hinkie and ownership was/are aware of the backlash they would face in the media and from other owners/NBA. And they are willing to be mavericks and let their plan run it's course because by not following the crowd they have achieved a lot in their own personal life and are now applying their own life lessons to running this team.

The lottery is important just not as important as last year. And if Embiid is healty....oh boy this team did it just right. And if Embiid is healthy two other teams passed on him because they did not have the stones to take such a gamble. And taking a gamble and hoping it pays off is what you have to do sometimes to separate yourself from the pack.

But you know what I could be wrong, Hinkie and company could be wrong....What would you do Chamberlainship?

Teams that win titles are teams stars want to play for. We're the raiders of the nba right now. No star takes our management group seriously, probably including Embiid. If Embiid pans out the way you think, what makes you think he'll stay here and not go to the Lakers?

The 8 team thing suggests how long the odds are that Hinkie's plan pans out.

[guest81]

good lord. Tanking is a problem in most sports. Sure it's in the rules, but everybody agrees that it shouldn't be. Silver is trying to improve the NBA, not screw the 76ers.

[Ericb5]

good lord. Tanking is a problem in most sports. Sure it's in the rules, but everybody agrees that it shouldn't be. Silver is trying to improve the NBA, not screw the 76ers.

Changing the rules is totally fair. Doing it immediately is punitive and directed at the Sixers.

It's ironic that for all of the tanking done by the Sixers it was still the Cavs that got the number one pick and used it to get Love teamed up with Lebron. This anger directed at the Sixers is based only on perception because the results of the tank have produced only a 3rd pick so far.

Ultimately, the Sixers fate comes down to Embiid's health. If he turns into the next Hakeem or Duncan then all will be fine in Sixerland no matter who we draft in the next few drafts.


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[PMFJB]

Yes, Channing Frye would have made the Sixers better this year but Jerami Grant is more watchable to me. The definition of difference is enough to make people like you stop whining.

Loul Deng, Ariza, Chandler Parsons, Bledsoe, Lowrly, Monroe. Were all attainable and could have helped immensely.
Parsons would have filled a big need in a 3 that spaces the floor. Why not go for him?

Oh right because you are trying to put the worst possible team to get the top pick. That is what people are talking about.
You were one of the teams with the most cap space and still you didn't even attempt to get those guys.

Parsons would have fit perfectly in a young guy who can grow with the core of your team. But nope.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

1. Just because you thought those players could make a difference, doesn't mean the Sixers did, or that the Sixers liked those players in their own evaluations.

2. Those players would not have made any difference whatsoever, other than maybe adding 5 wins to the Sixers' total at the end of the season and putting them farther back into mediocrity.

3. They are most likely trying to keep that cap room for future superstar players down the road.

4. Even if the Sixers were interested, they still would have to compete with other teams, and those players would have to want to come here anyway.

You sound butthurt to be honest. You're a Knicks fan? Figures. Your team sucks, and you try to go for it every year, because your front office doesn't have a damn clue what they are doing. Also, congrats on signing one of the most overrated players in pro sports to a massive contract. Let me know when Melo plays a lick of defense or shows up in a big game.

Nothing the Sixers did is unprofessional. It's their team and it's their right to build it the way they want. It's no one else's damn business to tell the Sixers how to build their team. They see a method they think will lead them to the promised land, and they have chosen to build that way. People need to worry about their own teams, instead of being jealous that they can't "tank" because they don't have ownership support like the Sixers do.

Allen Iverson no longer plays and we didn't sign him. In before "but but iverson got the sixers to the finals". Yeah it only took the eastern confernece to be the worst it has ever been for him to do it. Kudos to him.

[Philly_3]

Loul Deng, Ariza, Chandler Parsons, Bledsoe, Lowrly, Monroe. Were all attainable and could have helped immensely.
Parsons would have filled a big need in a 3 that spaces the floor. Why not go for him?

Oh right because you are trying to put the worst possible team to get the top pick. That is what people are talking about.
You were one of the teams with the most cap space and still you didn't even attempt to get those guys.

Parsons would have fit perfectly in a young guy who can grow with the core of your team. But nope.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

1. Just because you thought those players could make a difference, doesn't mean the Sixers did, or that the Sixers liked those players in their own evaluations.

2. Those players would not have made any difference whatsoever, other than maybe adding 5 wins to the Sixers' total at the end of the season and putting them farther back into mediocrity.

3. They are most likely trying to keep that cap room for future superstar players down the road.

4. Even if the Sixers were interested, they still would have to compete with other teams, and those players would have to want to come here anyway.

You sound butthurt to be honest. You're a Knicks fan? Figures. Your team sucks, and you try to go for it every year, because your front office doesn't have a damn clue what they are doing. Also, congrats on signing one of the most overrated players in pro sports to a massive contract. Let me know when Melo plays a lick of defense or shows up in a big game.

Nothing the Sixers did is unprofessional. It's their team and it's their right to build it the way they want. It's no one else's damn business to tell the Sixers how to build their team. They see a method they think will lead them to the promised land, and they have chosen to build that way. People need to worry about their own teams, instead of being jealous that they can't "tank" because they don't have ownership support like the Sixers do.

Allen Iverson no longer plays and we didn't sign him. In before "but but iverson got the sixers to the finals". Yeah it only took the eastern confernece to be the worst it has ever been for him to do it. Kudos to him.

I like how you chose to respond to that one sentence instead of the rest of his post.
You've just been demoted to troll status.

[Eyeamok]

A more experienced GM/owner that's more familiar with the culture of the NBA may've been able to see the problems in this strategy/media approach.

I love how we're fielding a D-league team to get a high pick, but somehow the draft isn't that important to us anymore.

I should make this my signature. Since 1983 the last year this team won a championship. 8 teams have won an NBA championship. I'm gonna let that sink in. 8 teams since 1983.

Perhaps Hinkie's approach to the media has not been the best. But if he thinks that this is the best way to build a champion so be it. Only 8 GM's since we last won a title have got the formula right. A lot of luck and good planning goes into winning a title.

Perhaps Hinkie and ownership was/are aware of the backlash they would face in the media and from other owners/NBA. And they are willing to be mavericks and let their plan run it's course because by not following the crowd they have achieved a lot in their own personal life and are now applying their own life lessons to running this team.

The lottery is important just not as important as last year. And if Embiid is healty....oh boy this team did it just right. And if Embiid is healthy two other teams passed on him because they did not have the stones to take such a gamble. And taking a gamble and hoping it pays off is what you have to do sometimes to separate yourself from the pack.

But you know what I could be wrong, Hinkie and company could be wrong....What would you do Chamberlainship?

Teams that win titles are teams stars want to play for. We're the raiders of the nba right now. No star takes our management group seriously, probably including Embiid. If Embiid pans out the way you think, what makes you think he'll stay here and not go to the Lakers?

The 8 team thing suggests how long the odds are that Hinkie's plan pans out.

We are/wil be developing our own stars. Keeping a lot of cap space available, looking for diamonds in the rough. Players that just need an opportunity to shine (more playing time). And collecting assets that we can use in a trade for stars that are unhappy. If we put a good product on the court, which is what we are working towards, you sell stars on coming to your team. With money (we have that) and a sales job of how they will be the missing cog in our team.

It will be a while before Embiid will want to go anywhere. After his rookie deal is over, we can still pay him more than any other team. Players usually don't bolt after their rookie contract they are either not signed or traded for the most part.

But once again you have not answered the question as to what you would do?

[Eyeamok]

Having assets and Miami's pick has now become even more valuable if this change goes into effect.

If we get the #7 pick in the 2015 draft the fact that we have two #1 picks and a few second round picks allows us greater flexibility if we want to move up a spot or two in the draft. Plus the ability to take on salary if need be (a bad contract) tilts the odds in our favor for any draft day deals that we may want to do.

At #7 we are not going to get the #1 pick but swapping #7 for #5 and Miami's pick and or taking on a bad contract would not be out of the question. It might even be an overpayment but we have the assets to do something like this.

So let them change the draft this team has the assets to play the draft game without touching it's core.

[LloydFree]

Teams that win titles are teams stars want to play for. We're the raiders of the nba right now. No star takes our management group seriously, probably including Embiid. If Embiid pans out the way you think, what makes you think he'll stay here and not go to the Lakers?

The 8 team thing suggests how long the odds are that Hinkie's plan pans out.

Now your just throwing whatever nonsense that pops into your head out there for consumption. Whatever you can think of that discredits building from the ground up. You've been crying like a baby about Hinkie since the J'rue Holiday trade. Its like you really only care because you hate that Hinkie does things (in your opinion) to make himself look smarter than everyone else. It comes off as petty.

[Chamberlainship]

Teams that win titles are teams stars want to play for. We're the raiders of the nba right now. No star takes our management group seriously, probably including Embiid. If Embiid pans out the way you think, what makes you think he'll stay here and not go to the Lakers?

The 8 team thing suggests how long the odds are that Hinkie's plan pans out.

Now your just throwing whatever nonsense that pops into your head out there for consumption. Whatever you can think of that discredits building from the ground up. You've been crying like a baby about Hinkie since the J'rue Holiday trade. Its like you really only care because you hate that Hinkie does things (in your opinion) to make himself look smarter than everyone else. It comes off as petty.

It's not nonsense. To win, you have to project competence and convince players that can play elsewhere to play for your team. We're not doing that. In fact, we're doing the opposite.

I care because I like the sixers and hate to see them made into a symbol of failure. Why do you care? What do you want the world to know about you by professing your love of Hinkie's experiment in team building? Why do so many have such devotion to a rookie GM? Do you not find it a little strange that longtime writers who cover the team don't share your devotion?

Thanks for saying I'm "crying like a baby." I might say the immaturity is in the folks who are happily swallowing this player development stuff when the reality is the team is being run like the old school clippers and we're being served dog food and being told it's filet mignon. But, I respect that other people can have different opinions. It doesn't make them babies or their arguments nonsense.

[LloydFree]

Teams that win titles are teams stars want to play for. We're the raiders of the nba right now. No star takes our management group seriously, probably including Embiid. If Embiid pans out the way you think, what makes you think he'll stay here and not go to the Lakers?

The 8 team thing suggests how long the odds are that Hinkie's plan pans out.

Now your just throwing whatever nonsense that pops into your head out there for consumption. Whatever you can think of that discredits building from the ground up. You've been crying like a baby about Hinkie since the J'rue Holiday trade. Its like you really only care because you hate that Hinkie does things (in your opinion) to make himself look smarter than everyone else. It comes off as petty.

It's not nonsense. To win, you have to project competence and convince players that can play elsewhere to play for your team. We're not doing that. In fact, we're doing the opposite.

I care because I like the sixers and hate to see them made into a symbol of failure. Why do you care? What do you want the world to know about you by professing your love of Hinkie's experiment in team building? Why do so many have such devotion to a rookie GM? Do you not find it a little strange that longtime writers who cover the team don't share your devotion?

Thanks for saying I'm "crying like a baby." I might say the immaturity is in the folks who are happily swallowing this player development stuff when the reality is the team is being run like the old school clippers and we're being served dog food and being told it's filet mignon. But, I respect that other people can have different opinions. It doesn't make them babies or their arguments nonsense.

See. That's where you expose yourself. You have made this about your personal distaste for the GM. Who said anything about being devoted to a GM? I didn't. I could care less who the GM is going forward.

I only care about correct decisions. Trading J'rue was correct. Not extending Evan Turner was the correct decision. Trading Thad Young for a mid-1st round pick was the correct decision. And drafting Joel Embiid was the correct decision. That has nothing to do with personal devotion. That has everything to do with acknowledging correct decisions.

[WorldBeFree]

I also have some of the same problems with the Plan of hinkie like chamberlainship. I dont want that the sixers lose, i also would love to see them compete and not tank, but at the same time i unterstand the plan. I may not like the plan soo much, but it could work so i dont have anything against it. At the same time i dont like people who see hinkie like a god or something.
I like the change of the lottery! Now philly just can play as good as they can and still get the number one pick and no one can blame us anymore! People who hate the sixers should hate the cavs who "some how" got 3 first picks in the last years, thats just insane imo.

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[Chamberlainship]

See. That's where you expose yourself. You have made this about your personal distaste for the GM. Who said anything about being devoted to a GM? I didn't. I could care less who the GM is going forward.

I only care about correct decisions. Trading J'rue was correct. Not extending Evan Turner was the correct decision. Trading Thad Young for a mid-1st round pick was the correct decision. And drafting Joel Embiid was the correct decision. That has nothing to do with personal devotion. That has everything to do with acknowledging correct decisions.

I'm a little put off by how smug he is and the MBA/analytic "we do things different" persona, but if he put a winner on the court or even a decent NBA team, it wouldn't bother me. Maybe we'll get to that point. But right now he's putting D-league on the court. That bothers me. Also, the Hinkie fanboy stuff is bothersome, because I feel to date it is unwarranted or at least very premature.

[Chamberlainship]

I also have some of the same problems with the Plan of hinkie like chamberlainship. I dont want that the sixers lose, i also would love to see them compete and not tank, but at the same time i unterstand the plan. I may not like the plan soo much, but it could work so i dont have anything against it. At the same time i dont like people who see hinkie like a god or something.
I like the change of the lottery! Now philly just can play as good as they can and still get the number one pick and no one can blame us anymore! People who hate the sixers should hate the cavs who "some how" got 3 first picks in the last years, thats just insane imo.

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Thank you for that. Very reasonable take in my opinion.

Does anyone have a sense of whether these things normally pass?

Are sixers going to be calling other owners trying to persuade them to vote against it?

[guest81]

good lord. Tanking is a problem in most sports. Sure it's in the rules, but everybody agrees that it shouldn't be. Silver is trying to improve the NBA, not screw the 76ers.

Changing the rules is totally fair. Doing it immediately is punitive and directed at the Sixers.

It's ironic that for all of the tanking done by the Sixers it was still the Cavs that got the number one pick and used it to get Love teamed up with Lebron. This anger directed at the Sixers is based only on perception because the results of the tank have produced only a 3rd pick so far.

Ultimately, the Sixers fate comes down to Embiid's health. If he turns into the next Hakeem or Duncan then all will be fine in Sixerland no matter who we draft in the next few drafts.


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So they should have to wait until the 76er's have carried out their plan? Why show bias in that sense? There's really zero reason to wait longer then it has to just because it affects the 76ers. Wouldn't it be hypocritical of Silver to say that tanking is a problem then pass a rule that wouldn't take effect for another 3 years?

[sixerswillrule]

If Embiid pans out the way you think, what makes you think he'll stay here and not go to the Lakers?

it will be extremely difficult to retain the young talent that does pan out once their rookie deals are up, as they will be sought after by better teams with a better chance to win. Philly is a decent market, so they arent at as big as disadvantage there as say milwaukee... but they still risk losing their young talent because of being terrible.

Not to come across antagonistic, but this is incorrect.

In the last two decades of the NBA there have been almost no star rookies that haven't been retained by their drafting teams if their drafting teams can afford them. Most of the time rookies move teams it's financial (eg Harden, Grant Hill); and Philly has the lowest roster salary of all 30 teams.

All 1st round rookies are automatically RFAs which means their drafting team can match any offer and retain them. They're locked in. The only out is taking the QO, and this almost never happens (only 13 in the past decade) and has never happened with a star player AFAIK. The biggest names that took QOs are Ben Gordon and Greg Monroe.

The other exception is if you can force your drafting team to not match by saying you're a cancer and don't want to play there. And that worked out wonderfully for Eric Gordon's career.

TLDR - if you draft a star, 99.9% chance you will keep that star for up to 9 years (rookie + max contract).

[42uptop]

So they should have to wait until the 76er's have carried out their plan? Why show bias in that sense? There's really zero reason to wait longer then it has to just because it affects the 76ers. Wouldn't it be hypocritical of Silver to say that tanking is a problem then pass a rule that wouldn't take effect for another 3 years?

Adam Silver has already proven himself to be a hypocrite so this is nothing new. He kicks out owners he doesn't like because of private conversations. He says he is going to address the league's drug problem and does nothing. He changes rules in the middle of the season because he feels like it. But as long as he invites Isaiah Austin to the draft it's all good, right?

All it would take is a bit of common sense to give teams 1 year of heads up before changing the draft. That would be the correct thing to do if you really wanted to address something. Instead, the NBA is showing its own bias against the Sixers by waiting until the last minute to make an important change. Another great move by our wonderful commisioner

[Ericb5]

good lord. Tanking is a problem in most sports. Sure it's in the rules, but everybody agrees that it shouldn't be. Silver is trying to improve the NBA, not screw the 76ers.

Changing the rules is totally fair. Doing it immediately is punitive and directed at the Sixers.

It's ironic that for all of the tanking done by the Sixers it was still the Cavs that got the number one pick and used it to get Love teamed up with Lebron. This anger directed at the Sixers is based only on perception because the results of the tank have produced only a 3rd pick so far.

Ultimately, the Sixers fate comes down to Embiid's health. If he turns into the next Hakeem or Duncan then all will be fine in Sixerland no matter who we draft in the next few drafts.


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So they should have to wait until the 76er's have carried out their plan? Why show bias in that sense? There's really zero reason to wait longer then it has to just because it affects the 76ers. Wouldn't it be hypocritical of Silver to say that tanking is a problem then pass a rule that wouldn't take effect for another 3 years?

Making the changes now hurts all of the worst teams in the league, including the Sixers. The reason that you do it in a few years is that by that time the worst teams in the league will be unknown.


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[guest81]

So they should have to wait until the 76er's have carried out their plan? Why show bias in that sense? There's really zero reason to wait longer then it has to just because it affects the 76ers. Wouldn't it be hypocritical of Silver to say that tanking is a problem then pass a rule that wouldn't take effect for another 3 years?

Adam Silver has already proven himself to be a hypocrite so this is nothing new. He kicks out owners he doesn't like because of private conversations. He says he is going to address the league's drug problem and does nothing. He changes rules in the middle of the season because he feels like it. But as long as he invites Isaiah Austin to the draft it's all good, right?

All it would take is a bit of common sense to give teams 1 year of heads up before changing the draft. That would be the correct thing to do if you really wanted to address something. Instead, the NBA is showing its own bias against the Sixers by waiting until the last minute to make an important change. Another great move by our wonderful commisioner

what possible reason would Silver and the NBA have to have a bias against the 76ers?