Where does Wade's 06 finals performance rank all time?

[D Nice]

Joey Crawford and Bennet Salvatore were GOAT-level. Wade was pretty good. Not top 10 though. Jordan, Shaq, and West could essentially have 10 seasons between just the 3 of them that were better than Wade in 06. If he had been able to do anything like it, oh, ever again, perhaps that would have validated the performance.

If you absolutely do not recognize that was the most absurdly refereed series in NBA history, it's top 5.

[Colbinii]

If he had been able to do anything like it, oh, ever again, perhaps that would have validated the performance.

Like his series in '10 where he put up a 29.4 PER, 65 TS%, 40.0 AST% on 33/6.8/5.6.

Or what about his '11 Finals where he put up a 61.4 TS%, 28.7 AST%, 10.4 TOV%, 123 oRTG on 26.5/7.0/5.2

Wade has had many series where he had a higher TS%, FG%, oRTG, AST%, ect.

[D Nice]

Was very obviously referring to FTA there. Wade was a MUCH better player in 2009 and 2010 than he was in 2006. I think it's pretty well-documented how highly I think of him those 2 seasons.

[cyclix]

Was very obviously referring to FTA there. Wade was a MUCH better player in 2009 and 2010 than he was in 2006. I think it's pretty well-documented how highly I think of him those 2 seasons.

doing Wade led the league in PI, NPI and also let his team to the championship. How is he not the best player that season? and RAPM is a reputable stat. his player efficiency ratings was also 27.6, which was third in the league.

[Wolfy1983]

Clearly no fouls were committed here. FIX!

[Pg81]

Clearly no fouls were committed here. FIX!

Another strawman fallacy. Congratulations.

[BBallFreak]

Clearly no fouls were committed here. FIX!

Another strawman fallacy. Congratulations.

Do you know any words other than strawman?

[Pg81]

Clearly no fouls were committed here. FIX!

Another strawman fallacy. Congratulations.

Do you know any words other than strawman?

Do you even know what it refers to? Have you nothing better to do then constantly baiting me? Are you always going off topic?

[BBallFreak]

Do you even know what it refers to?

A strawman argument is one made to intentionally draw the argument off topic. The picture in question was clearly not off topic.

Have you nothing better to do then constantly baiting me?

When you start speaking factually, I'll stop calling you out on it.

Are you always going off topic?

Kind of not off topic, actually. He posted a picture from the 2006 Finals, which is exactly what's being discussed here. You referred to it as a strawman. How is it a strawman? People are besmirching Wade's performance due to what they feel is unfair officiating. He showed you the evidence that their indeed was a foul (two fouls, but who's counting?) on probably the most controversial call in the entire series, which is again what's up for debate here. How is that a strawman argument?

Or are you referring to the word fix? Again, something that should be included in the discussion, since so many seem to think it was actually...ya know...fixed.

[Pg81]

Do you even know what it refers to?

A strawman argument is one made to intentionally draw the argument off topic. The picture in question was clearly not off topic.

Have you nothing better to do then constantly baiting me?

When you start speaking factually, I'll stop calling you out on it.

Are you always going off topic?

Kind of not off topic, actually. He posted a picture from the 2006 Finals, which is exactly what's being discussed here. You referred to it as a strawman. How is it a strawman? People are besmirching Wade's performance due to what they feel is unfair officiating. He showed you the evidence that their indeed was a foul (two fouls, but who's counting?) on probably the most controversial calls in the entire series, which is again what's up for debate here. How is that a strawman argument?

No, a strawman fallacy is when you pretend to tear down an argument of your opponent(s) which in reality they never made.
Also this is very much off topic since the topic was about how good you consider Wade's 2006 finals performance to be in comparison to other final performances.

I am not surprised that you didn't get my point though and since you continue to throw out that crap arguments I'll just keep this brief:
No one argued Wade was never fouled.

Also it's not "besmirching" to just state that you find a finals performance less impressive due to an absurd amount of free throws over an entire series.
Great players tend to have a game or maybe two with a really high amount of free throws but there is literally no one past or present who got even remotely as many free throws on average as Wade did.
And since Wade could not replicate this in any way or shape it is reasonable to assume that this was an anomaly. Reasons for this are hard to find since the game is complicated and many factors have to be considered. What can be definitely to be deduced is that it was not purely Wade suddenly being 50% better at getting to the basket which caused that. This would be an absurd assumption.

But please, continue your homerism, it's funny to see how desperately you attack people for expressing their opinion.

[Wolfy1983]

Clearly no fouls were committed here. FIX!

Another strawman fallacy. Congratulations.

Strawman?

1st off, Wade's performance in those finals has been marginalized due to the fact of how many FT attempts he had throughout the series. There were plenty questionable calls, but to sit there and say all were bad is str8 up laughable. 2nd, your posts ooze of homerism so please stop referring to others as homers, hypocrite.

[Texas Chuck]

The fact that this thread has deteriorated into a Mavs fan vs Heat fan trainwreck means its probably time to just let it die.


I wish my fellow Mavs fans were willing to concede that regardless of the officiating, Wade played great in the 06 Finals.

And I wish the Heat fans were willing to accept that people are always going to question the legitimacy of his performance because of the officiating.

As just one Mavs fan, I've always taken the stance that the officiating was terrible, but not biased in favor of the Heat or Wade in particular. And more importantly that Dwayne Wade played like an absolute boss. Now I still hate him and hate the Heat and was thrilled we got a re-match in 2011, but my personal feelings about Wade aside he was an incredible player who played incredibly well.

[BBallFreak]

The fact that this thread has deteriorated into a Mavs fan vs Heat fan trainwreck means its probably time to just let it die.

Nah, it's still sorta offseason. Let's enjoy the friendly rivalry.

I wish my fellow Mavs fans were willing to concede that regardless of the officiating, Wade played great in the 06 Finals.

Haven't seen many argue otherwise, though most seem willing to marginalize it as merely good.

And I wish the Heat fans were willing to accept that people are always going to question the legitimacy of his performance because of the officiating.

Why would we do that? People have questioned the legitimacy of that entire championship. We get defensive because of that. You can't blame us. Every ring we've ever won, people have tried to marginalize, either because "teh offishalz!!!111!!1", or "Sooperteamz!!!! and lockoutz". It's dumb. It's old. We root for an elite franchise, yet people scoff at our fanbase, call us the cHeat, and revel in our potential downfall. You can't put the black hats on an entire fanbase/franchise, and not expect them to get defensive. That's preposterous.

As just one Mavs fan, I've always taken the stance that the officiating was terrible, but not biased in favor of the Heat or Wade in particular. And more importantly that Dwayne Wade played like an absolute boss. Now I still hate him and hate the Heat and was thrilled we got a re-match in 2011, but my personal feelings about Wade aside he was an incredible player who played incredibly well.

I respect that. Don't have to like the team, but respecting what they've done is just common sense. I can't stand the Knicks, but damn I wish they'd get back to respectability. Just better that way.

[RayBan-Sematra]

I remember a guy from 82games did a pretty good review of one or more of those Finals games.
From memory I believe he said that the percentage of calls that may have been potentially wrong in said game/games wasn't above average.
I also clearly remember that many of the calls he questioned as possibly being incorrect weren't even Wade related.

[JordansBulls]

Top 3

[Pg81]

Clearly no fouls were committed here. FIX!

Another strawman fallacy. Congratulations.

Strawman?

1st off, Wade's performance in those finals has been marginalized due to the fact of how many FT attempts he had throughout the series. There were plenty questionable calls, but to sit there and say all were bad is str8 up laughable. 2nd, your posts ooze of homerism so please stop referring to others as homers, hypocrite.

Another strawman again. No one marginalizes the performances of Wade. We just do not rate them a top 5 or top 10 finals performance, that is all. Why can you guys not accept differing opinions and why do you resort to such bad arguments when no one is attacking you or anyone else who thinks differently?
How are my posts homerism? Which player am I a homer for?

Just another lashing out post with no substance and just getting more off topic.

[BBallFreak]

Another strawman again. No one marginalizes the performances of Wade. We just do not rate them a top 5 or top 10 finals performance, that is all. Why can you guys not accept differing opinions and why do you resort to such bad arguments when no one is attacking you or anyone else who thinks differently?
How are my posts homerism? Which player am I a homer for?

Just another lashing out post with no substance and just getting more off topic.

I'm sorry, but this thread is about rating his Finals performance in '06. How is a discussion, and subsequent debate, of why people rate the performance where they do considered a strawman?

[Pg81]

Another strawman again. No one marginalizes the performances of Wade. We just do not rate them a top 5 or top 10 finals performance, that is all. Why can you guys not accept differing opinions and why do you resort to such bad arguments when no one is attacking you or anyone else who thinks differently?
How are my posts homerism? Which player am I a homer for?

Just another lashing out post with no substance and just getting more off topic.

I'm sorry, but this thread is about rating his Finals performance in '06. How is a discussion, and subsequent debate, of why people rate the performance where they do considered a strawman?

I already explained that. If you did not understand it from my previous posts what the strawman arguments were, then there is no point in explaining it further because you will just continue to either not understand it or ignore it and pretend like it was never explained to you.

[Magic Boo]

G.O.A.T Finals Performance. Down 0-2, he just took over in an absolutely dominant fashion, i have never seen anything like that since or before. MJ and Shaq have a case, but they were never the underdogs and switched an entire series.

[KD35Brah]

Lebron had 3 less FTs in the 09 Magic series than DWade did in the 06 Finals in the same amount of games.