rookies: best, sleeper, bust

SV1113 · Post #141 » by **SV1113** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:30 pm

Best: Wiggins

Sleeper: TJ warren

Bust: Exum

PKABOOICU · Post #142 » by **PKABOOICU** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:33 pm

best- jabari parker- imo, he's the next paul pierce, not melo

bust- noah vonleh- there are too many stretch 4's in the NBA and all are better than him. below avg defender.

sleeper- dante exum- reminds me of shaun livingston; who was suppose to be the next big thing in point guards before he got injured on the clippers. Exum, assuming he stays healthy and is able to play his natural position as PG, is my sleeper pick who is easily negotiable for top 2 in this draft, only behind jabari.

safety pick- probably julius randle. seeing him play, you can tell he's a scorer+rebounder, and loves to bang in the paint. A quicker, but not as strong, zach randolph. capable of producing in any system, but no superstar by any means. just a safe bet. gets winded too fast for the nba level. although in shape, he needs a conditioning mentor more than anything at this point.

franktony · Post #143 » by **franktony** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:37 pm

Best - Embiid - He will be a top 3 BIG in a few years.

Sleeper - Kyle Anderson (homer pick) and Mitch McGary

Bust - Vonleh

wildvikeswolves · Post #144 » by **wildvikeswolves** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:38 pm

Best- Andrew Wiggins

Bust- Noah Vonleh

Sleeper- Kyle Anderson

LobCityRondo2KG · Post #145 » by **LobCityRondo2KG** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:42 pm

Best: Embiid, Smart, Parker
Sleeper: Ennis (MIA and Phx), Warren, Young, Staukus, Payne
Semi Bust - Payton, Hairston
Bust: Napier, Vonleh, Randle,

76ersfan · Post #146 » by **76ersfan** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:47 pm

LobCityRondo2KG wrote:Best: Embiid, Smart, Parker
Sleeper: Ennis (MIA and Phx), Warren, Young, Staukus, Payne
Semi Bust - Payton, Hairston
Bust: Napier, Vonleh, Randle,

Honest question here. Why do u think Marcus Smart will be among the best??

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majortom71 · Post #147 » by **majortom71** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:54 pm

Prokorov wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Prokorov wrote:i dont get why so many people have Gordon as a bust. I really like the kid and think he will be a solid player. is it just cause of his draft position or do people see him not being an NBA starter?

interesting? you defend Gordon (who still doesnt know what his true position will be) but have Payton as a bust when he has already shown to be a very good passer and defender playing PG.

What has payton shown? he has played 0 NBA games. His passing really isnt all that good. He lacks play making ability, shooting ability. I just dont see him ever being a quality starter and getting bounced around a ton.

Gordon might not have a position, but he is explosive and the league has made a transition towards positionless basketball anyhow. im not saying the dude will be an MVP, but i cant see him being a terrible player

He has played 2 pre-season NBA games, I am not sure what you meant by 0 games.
His passing is actually pretty good but I am not sure you know this since you seem to not be aware that the pre-season has started.
He is a legit point guard and the offense comes alive with his court presence.
Only thing you got right was his shooting, actually it's his outside shooting.
Anyway, your post is very spotty. I would watch a few games or read about them before making further statements.

Michael Lucky · Post #148 » by **Michael Lucky** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:56 pm

76ersfan wrote:
LobCityRondo2KG wrote:Best: Embiid, Smart, Parker
Sleeper: Ennis (MIA and Phx), Warren, Young, Staukus, Payne
Semi Bust - Payton, Hairston
Bust: Napier, Vonleh, Randle,

Honest question here. Why do u think Marcus Smart will be among the best??

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Post #149 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:59 pm

Best: Parker because I think he will thrive in Milwaukee as the go to scorer on a team that should run a good amount.

Sleeper: McGary, it's a homer pick, but I love what he brings at the 4. He can rebound, post up, pass very well on the run, and play respectable defense. He might be a missing piece backing up the post for OKC.

Bust: Gordon, I think Orlando is crowded with good but not great young players and with Harris/Harkless/Frye holding the 3/4 I think he will struggle to shine.

InFlames · Post #150 » by **InFlames** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:08 pm

Prokorov wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Prokorov wrote:i dont get why so many people have Gordon as a bust. I really like the kid and think he will be a solid player. is it just cause of his draft position or do people see him not being an NBA starter?

interesting? you defend Gordon (who still doesnt know what his true position will be) but have Payton as a bust when he has already shown to be a very good passer and defender playing PG.

What has payton shown? he has played 0 NBA games. His passing really isnt all that good. He lacks play making ability, shooting ability. I just dont see him ever being a quality starter and getting bounced around a ton.

Gordon might not have a position, but he is explosive and the league has made a transition towards positionless basketball anyhow. im not saying the dude will be an MVP, but i cant see him being a terrible player

Payton has already shown so much more than Gordon. You are wrong about him not being a good passer or playmaker. He is also an incredible defender. Here is a gif of just a couple of his plays from the 4th quarter vs Indy.

He was making passes like these all night but our players just weren't making their shots. He could have easily had 9+ assists. People who say Payton isn't a good passer just aren't watching him. Literally every Magic fan on the forum has been extremely impressed with his passing and playmaking.

Prokorov · Post #151 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:15 pm

majortom71 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
interesting? you defend Gordon (who still doesnt know what his true position will be) but have Payton as a bust when he has already shown to be a very good passer and defender playing PG.

What has payton shown? he has played 0 NBA games. His passing really isnt all that good. He lacks play making ability, shooting ability. I just dont see him ever being a quality starter and getting bounced around a ton.

Gordon might not have a position, but he is explosive and the league has made a transition towards positionless basketball anyhow. im not saying the dude will be an MVP, but i cant see him being a terrible player

He has played 2 pre-season NBA games, I am not sure what you meant by 0 games.
His passing is actually pretty good but I am not sure you know this since you seem to not be aware that the pre-season has started.
He is a legit point guard and the offense comes alive with his court presence.
Only thing you got right was his shooting, actually it's his outside shooting.
Anyway, your post is very spotty. I would watch a few games or read about them before making further statements.

really? preseason?

ive seen him play in college. i think thats a better gauge then meaningless preseason games

Prokorov · Post #152 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:17 pm

InFlames wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
interesting? you defend Gordon (who still doesnt know what his true position will be) but have Payton as a bust when he has already shown to be a very good passer and defender playing PG.

What has payton shown? he has played 0 NBA games. His passing really isnt all that good. He lacks play making ability, shooting ability. I just dont see him ever being a quality starter and getting bounced around a ton.

Gordon might not have a position, but he is explosive and the league has made a transition towards positionless basketball anyhow. im not saying the dude will be an MVP, but i cant see him being a terrible player

Payton has already shown so much more than Gordon. You are wrong about him not being a good passer or playmaker. He is also an incredible defender. Here is a gif of just a couple of his plays from the 4th quarter vs Indy.

He was making passes like these all night but our players just weren't making their shots. He could have easily had 9+ assists. People who say Payton isn't a good passer just aren't watching him. Literally every Magic fan on the forum has been extremely impressed with his passing and playmaking.

basing anything on preseason is just completely riddiculous. its like the people that go haywire when someone does well in summer league.

he wasnt a great passer in college, i dont see that changing much in he NBA

Post #153 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:20 pm

Best: Wiggins

Sleeper: Bojan Bogdanovic

Bust: Randle

Hornet Mania · Post #154 » by **Hornet Mania** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:24 pm

Best: Dante Exum. Loved everything I've seen thus far, looks like a really good lead guard. Utah may been lucky enough to have a star fall into their laps.

Sleeper: Elfrid Payton. Not a great shooter, but I like the rest of his game. He and Oladipo are going to be really nice on the defensive end. Orlando got a steal imo.

Bust: Aaron Gordon. This is the part where I squander all the good will Orlando fans may have had for me after that sleeper pick. Didn't like Gordon going into the draft, way too much of a tweener. Never dominated at Arizona in spite of great measurables. Blake comparisons were incredibly optimistic.

Noah Vonleh will be the rookie most likely to be heckled on the General Board this season though. He's not going to get much playing time, and it seemed pretty clear even before his injury (missed training camp and still out a few more weeks) that Clifford is going to bring him in slowly. I think it's a good thing for his long-term outlook though, he's raw and definitely not yet ready for big minutes in the pros. If he gets many minutes it will be toward the end of the year, and even then only if Marvin/Zeller/Biyombo all play like crap (not out of the question). No way to know yet how he will turn out, but I'm glad the Hornets swung for the fences with their last lottery pick (hopefully) for several years to come.

majortom71 · Post #155 » by **majortom71** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:29 pm

Prokorov wrote:
majortom71 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:

What has payton shown? he has played 0 NBA games. His passing really isnt all that good. He lacks play making ability, shooting ability. I just dont see him ever being a quality starter and getting bounced around a ton.

Gordon might not have a position, but he is explosive and the league has made a transition towards positionless basketball anyhow. im not saying the dude will be an MVP, but i cant see him being a terrible player

He has played 2 pre-season NBA games, I am not sure what you meant by 0 games.
His passing is actually pretty good but I am not sure you know this since you seem to not be aware that the pre-season has started.
He is a legit point guard and the offense comes alive with his court presence.
Only thing you got right was his shooting, actually it's his outside shooting.
Anyway, your post is very spotty. I would watch a few games or read about them before making further statements.

really? preseason?

ive seen him play in college. i think thats a better gauge then meaningless preseason games

Ok. So let me get this straight. Pre-season NBA game where the significant number of players are much better than college players is NOT as good as assessing a player than his college games?

OrlandoNed · Post #156 » by **OrlandoNed** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:13 pm

majortom71 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
majortom71 wrote:
He has played 2 pre-season NBA games, I am not sure what you meant by 0 games.
His passing is actually pretty good but I am not sure you know this since you seem to not be aware that the pre-season has started.
He is a legit point guard and the offense comes alive with his court presence.
Only thing you got right was his shooting, actually it's his outside shooting.
Anyway, your post is very spotty. I would watch a few games or read about them before making further statements.

really? preseason?

ive seen him play in college. i think thats a better gauge then meaningless preseason games

Ok. So let me get this straight. Pre-season NBA game where the significant number of players are much better than college players is NOT as good as assessing a player than his college games?

I wouldn't pay too much mind to what he has to say about anything Orlando related. He seems like he has a bit of beef with the Magic.

Kabookalu · Post #157 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:29 pm

Best:

Andrew Wiggins - An Olympian athlete and a hard worker. His skills will come eventually.

Dante Exum - I'm not going to judge him until at least a season from now. Has the tools and work ethic to be the 2nd best player in this draft.

Sleeper:

Julius Randle - On the condition that he acquires a face-up jumper. If he can shoot the 15fter at a respectable rate he's going to be a 20/10 player.

Nick Stauskas - Been really impressed with what he's shown so far in preseason. He's more than just a shooter, he can do a lot of secondary playmaking. Ginobili without the athleticism.

Bust:

Marcus Smart - Was never high on him outside of a fantasy perspective. People compare him to Lowry but what many people don't realize about Lowry is that he's sort of like a poor mans Chris Paul; crafty and highly skilled player that can blow by you with a sweet hesitation move. Don't see Smart having that same level of craftiness from Lowry. I see Smart as a PG version of Corey Maggette.

Aaron Gordon - He has the lowest ceiling and the highest bust potential out of all the lottery picks outside of Zach LaVine and TJ Warren. Upside is prime Gerald Wallace but he has a lesser chance of reaching that than other lottery picks has of reaching their best case scenarios.

Dat2U · Post #158 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:39 pm

In some cases a bust is a bust no matter where he goes, in other cases it depends on how the player is utilized and the system he's going to.

For example: Aaron Gordon - playing him at SF is a horrible idea. No skill for the position (he's not a shooter and his handle would probably be more effective against 4s than 3s), plus you also take away the value of his defensive toolkit by limiting him to the perimeter. I think he's more Josh Smith, with even less offensive skill. Problem is Orlando already signed Frye to play PF and it also may be Tobias Harris' best position as well.

tiderulz · Post #159 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:46 pm

Prokorov wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Prokorov wrote:i dont get why so many people have Gordon as a bust. I really like the kid and think he will be a solid player. is it just cause of his draft position or do people see him not being an NBA starter?

interesting? you defend Gordon (who still doesnt know what his true position will be) but have Payton as a bust when he has already shown to be a very good passer and defender playing PG.

What has payton shown? he has played 0 NBA games. His passing really isnt all that good. He lacks play making ability, shooting ability. I just dont see him ever being a quality starter and getting bounced around a ton.

Gordon might not have a position, but he is explosive and the league has made a transition towards positionless basketball anyhow. im not saying the dude will be an MVP, but i cant see him being a terrible player

are you being serious here? His passing has looked great. his defense is very good too. Shooting, that is an issue with many rookies.

And how many NBA games has Gordon played? so what has he shown? can use it on one but not the exact same argument on the other.

jolbin · Post #160 » by **jolbin** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:47 pm

Best : Wiggins
Sleeper : Warren, Saric, Dragic, Nurkic
Bust : Exum