Cousins

[Wizardspride]

Kirk Cousins is a career backup.

The end.

Basically.

[hands11]

Sorry, but that's a bit foolish to say so soon.

He is on pace for a 30 TD season and 4500 yards 61.7%

If he can fix the INTs he will be fine. Right now he is on pace for 24 INTs. Now if that was closer to 16-18, that wouldn't be a bad year for a young QB with little live game experience.

It would actually be in line with 6th year full time starter 2013 Matt Ryan 1st round 3rd pick
2013 4th ranked yardage passer in the leaguge
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... /matt-ryan

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/_/year/2013

For a 3rd year QB who has been a back up and has only 9 career starts, he is doing fine.

But for now, its painful watching him go into melt down mode against NY and ARI

[Dat2U]

Sorry, but that's a bit foolish to say so soon.

He is on pace for a 30 TD season and 4500 yards 61.7%

If he can fix the INTs he will be fine. Right now he is on pace for 24 INTs. Now if that was closer to 16-18, that wouldn't be a bad year for a young QB with little live game experience.

It would actually be in line with 6th year full time starter 2013 Matt Ryan 1st round 3rd pick
2013 4th ranked yardage passer in the leaguge
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... /matt-ryan

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/_/year/2013

For a 3rd year QB who has been a back up and has only 9 career starts, he is doing fine.

But for now, its painful watching him go into melt down mode against NY and ARI

No he isn't. This isn't basketball or baseball, where you can be patient and allow for growing pains. He's 1-6 as a starter and he's showing a propensity to meltdown during the 2nd half games. Nothing is fine about that. No one cares about the empty yardage numbers. In this league, you go color blind at the biggest moments, you'll end up holding a chalkboard or selling insurance somewhere.

[Dark Faze]

Grossman 2.0

And RGIII is so brittle. We may need to look at QB in the draft unfortunately.

[queridiculo]

It won't matter who's behind center as long as the Washington football team continues to neglect the offensive line.

What absolutely kills me is that Washington can't follow its own god damned blueprint.

[hands11]

Sorry, but that's a bit foolish to say so soon.

He is on pace for a 30 TD season and 4500 yards 61.7%

If he can fix the INTs he will be fine. Right now he is on pace for 24 INTs. Now if that was closer to 16-18, that wouldn't be a bad year for a young QB with little live game experience.

It would actually be in line with 6th year full time starter 2013 Matt Ryan 1st round 3rd pick
2013 4th ranked yardage passer in the leaguge
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... /matt-ryan

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/_/year/2013

For a 3rd year QB who has been a back up and has only 9 career starts, he is doing fine.

But for now, its painful watching him go into melt down mode against NY and ARI

No he isn't. This isn't basketball or baseball, where you can be patient and allow for growing pains. He's 1-6 as a starter and he's showing a propensity to meltdown during the 2nd half games. Nothing is fine about that. No one cares about the empty yardage numbers. In this league, you go color blind at the biggest moments, you'll end up holding a chalkboard or selling insurance somewhere.

He is on pace for a 30 TD season and 4500 yards 61.7% after only 9 career starts in 3 years. 5 of them this year.

Absolutely you keep giving him his chances.

And its not empty yardage when you have 10 TD in 5 games.

[Ruzious]

Sorry, but that's a bit foolish to say so soon.

He is on pace for a 30 TD season and 4500 yards 61.7%

If he can fix the INTs he will be fine. Right now he is on pace for 24 INTs. Now if that was closer to 16-18, that wouldn't be a bad year for a young QB with little live game experience.

It would actually be in line with 6th year full time starter 2013 Matt Ryan 1st round 3rd pick
2013 4th ranked yardage passer in the leaguge
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... /matt-ryan

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/_/year/2013

For a 3rd year QB who has been a back up and has only 9 career starts, he is doing fine.

But for now, its painful watching him go into melt down mode against NY and ARI

No he isn't. This isn't basketball or baseball, where you can be patient and allow for growing pains. He's 1-6 as a starter and he's showing a propensity to meltdown during the 2nd half games. Nothing is fine about that. No one cares about the empty yardage numbers. In this league, you go color blind at the biggest moments, you'll end up holding a chalkboard or selling insurance somewhere.

He is on pace for a 30 TD season and 4500 yards 61.7% after only 9 career starts in 3 years. 5 of them this year.

Absolutely you keep giving him his chances.

And its not empty yardage when you have 10 TD in 5 games.

There IS a lot of empty yardage, because teams are going to bend/don't break mode when they get big leads against the Skins. It's no secret - he has to drastically cut down his int rate if his team is going to win games. He's still young, so there's a decent chance he'll improve, but the kind of ints he's thrown make him look Grossmanesque. I hope he turns it around.

[Knighthonor]

(EDIT)

[Higga]

He's looking more and more like Rex Grossman 2.0. I still like his talent but he's not a guy who can carry your franchise or elevate the players around him.

RG3 has way more upside and should start as soon as he's healthy(although I'd take it slow and be cautious with his return after last year).

[Nivek]

I would advise patience with both Cousins and Griffin. Cousins has looked like he could be a decent NFL QB with continued work and experience. Griffin has looked like he could be a great NFL QB with continued work and experience.

[Zonkerbl]

Career backup? No way! Boogie's rebounding alone...

Oh, wait.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Deep confessions. Cousins vs Cousins

From Kirk:

"I'm starting to wish for the good old days when I was on the bench watching Robert Griffin play poorly. I was the hero then. Now, I lead the league ... in interceptions thrown."

From Demarcus:

"I don't know about John Wall, but I'm definitely better than Kirk Cousins. To be honest, y'all know CCJ is right. I am better than John. Coach K likes me. Zonker's right, too. Check out my rebounding rate! "

[W. Unseld]

A. Bill Walsh has said you know if you've got your QB after 16 games. I kind of figure that RG3 has lost much of his speed advantage, but I also kind of figure that Cousins is shell-shocked so maybe we are drafting for qb...ugh. I'd prefer to let it play out and draft for O-line so any qb has a shot to do better.
B. I don't know how anyone can come back from "you're subconsciously racist"; I'd almost rather be accused of being a child molester b/c at least it could be proved or disproved where I was when the crime occurred. Where does Russel Wilson fit into all of this? Disregard--I don't want to touch it.
C. This is a tangent, but going back to KC & the Sunshine band, this video might be the greatest piece of unintentional 80's comedy ever produced:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nakrQ9jVKM4

[TGW]

Here are RG3's career stats:

63.3 CMP%
6,708 YDS
36 TDS
17 INTS
91.8 RAT

Cousins:

58.8 CMP%
2,891 YDS
18 TDS
18 INTS
78.1 RAT

Cousins has half as many TDS and more INTs than Griffin (in less games).

Cousins in inferior to RG3 in pretty much every way. He doesn't read a defense any better, his accuracy is poor in the middle of the field, and he has psyche issues on par with Griffin.

Like I said, Cousins is a career backup. The end.

[Kanyewest]

Here are RG3's career stats:

63.3 CMP%
6,708 YDS
36 TDS
17 INTS
91.8 RAT

Cousins:

58.8 CMP%
2,891 YDS
18 TDS
18 INTS
78.1 RAT

Cousins has half as many TDS and more INTs than Griffin (in less games).

Cousins in inferior to RG3 in pretty much every way. He doesn't read a defense any better, his accuracy is poor in the middle of the field, and he has psyche issues on par with Griffin.

Like I said, Cousins is a career backup. The end.

Griffin since his rookie year
16 Touchdown
12 Interceptions

His rating is probably closer to Cousins not to mention all the garbage stats Griffin put in when those games were out of reach. I guess even then Griffin is marginally better than Cousins so far. Still, Cousins is still getting his feet wet in the league so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he improves. Griffin should get the job back if he's healthy and given his past- it might be prudent for Washington to wait.

[FreeBalling]

Here are RG3's career stats:

63.3 CMP%
6,708 YDS
36 TDS
17 INTS
91.8 RAT

Cousins:

58.8 CMP%
2,891 YDS
18 TDS
18 INTS
78.1 RAT

Cousins has half as many TDS and more INTs than Griffin (in less games).

Cousins in inferior to RG3 in pretty much every way. He doesn't read a defense any better, his accuracy is poor in the middle of the field, and he has psyche issues on par with Griffin.

Like I said, Cousins is a career backup. The end.

Your point is clear about RG3 vs. Cousins. However, I'd like to know how many of his passes are 5 yards or less. That's a HUGE number in his misleading passing %. They are catches. I will not argue that point. Cousins passes the ball down field where there are more skilled defenders to make interceptions. Cousins has problems reading the defenders where as Griffen has problems reading his progressions.

Furthermore, Griffen gets hurt A LOT. I believe the running QB in today's NFL does not take advantage of the rules put in place to promote a passing league. There are more points scored this year then any other year because of passing. I got that from Mike and Mike the other day.

[TGW]

^^^What does it matter if the throw is 5 yards or less? Every QB in the league throws passes under 5 yards. As a matter of fact, Tom Brady is consistently one of the leaders in throwing passes under 5 yards so your point is moot. And btw, Griffin career yards per attempt: 7.5—Cousins: 7.4

You lose.

[TGW]

Here are RG3's career stats:

63.3 CMP%
6,708 YDS
36 TDS
17 INTS
91.8 RAT

Cousins:

58.8 CMP%
2,891 YDS
18 TDS
18 INTS
78.1 RAT

Cousins has half as many TDS and more INTs than Griffin (in less games).

Cousins in inferior to RG3 in pretty much every way. He doesn't read a defense any better, his accuracy is poor in the middle of the field, and he has psyche issues on par with Griffin.

Like I said, Cousins is a career backup. The end.

Griffin since his rookie year
16 Touchdown
12 Interceptions

His rating is probably closer to Cousins not to mention all the garbage stats Griffin put in when those games were out of reach. I guess even then Griffin is marginally better than Cousins so far. Still, Cousins is still getting his feet wet in the league so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he improves. Griffin should get the job back if he's healthy and given his past- it might be prudent for Washington to wait.

So you're going to throw out a year of numbers to argue a terrible point.

Why do I bother.

[hands11]

nice deflection.... You act as if racism doesn't exist. Post racial America, yay!!!!
Race played a big factor in the criticism. White supremacy code words were used on RG3 just like Cam, and every other black QB. Stop deflecting from that by trying to play the reverse racism card. I don't fall for that deflection.

Yes the team has many holes, but where was that argument last season when the defense and ST and Oline was crappy? Nope RG3 the knucklehead was to blame. He was a Diva remember?

Smh so come correct with your narrative please.
"America is full of racism, yet nobody seems to be able to find the racist, because everybody say they not a racist.." -Neely Fuller

RG3 was a diva. Are you saying he wasn't ?
There have been white QBs criticized for there personalities. Hell, I used to bust on Joe T all the time. That dude was a diva also.

And plenty of people talked about the O line and why RG3 had to run the read option so A Morris could run because the O line was weak.

Yes .. America has racism. And its both way and not just black and white.

But I fail to see how this has anything to do with RG3 and Cousins in this situation. Specially on this board. You calling out white supremacy was lame. Specially in the NFL. If anything, there is reverse bios against white players at this point.

EDITED

I would prefer to deal with fellow members in a neutral or friendly manner but you way crossed the line.

If the mods haven't banned you for this garbage let me reply with a high hearty... and go seek help.

Anyone with some common sense would have stopped before clicking submit or at least apologized after posting.

I'm a suspected White Supremacist ?

ahh yeah.

[FreeBalling]

^^^What does it matter if the throw is 5 yards or less? Every QB in the league throws passes under 5 yards. As a matter of fact, Tom Brady is consistently one of the leaders in throwing passes under 5 yards so your point is moot. And btw, Griffin career yards per attempt: 7.5—Cousins: 7.4

You lose.

I'm not sold on your argument. Yards after the catch is one measurable stat for a passer. Griffen throws lots of sideways passes. Chad Pennington made a living doing that. I am referring to passing DOWN THE FIELD five or more yards.

O/C's call the quick sideline passes for QB's that have trouble throwing the ball down the field. I truly hope the OC opens up the playbook for RG3 allowing him to demonstrate his full range of weapons. That's one way of measuring strengths and weaknesses.

Here a good case for a down field passing QB. When it's 3rd and 7, 3 and 15 or 3 and 20 because of a false start. We know RG3 can run and extend a play.

If you are aware of a football database that provides advanced passing statistics such as balls thrown 15 yards to the left, center, right. I'll do all of the leg work.