How many games does the Bradley Beal injury cost us?

[DN2U]

Funny thing is that Ariza was weak from 3 until he came here. I think some people are underesting how much of a downgrade it will be going from Ariza's career year to an aging Pierce.

Career wise, Pierce is the better 3pt shooter (37% vs. 34.9%). I think some people are underestimating how much Wall can make Pierce's 3 pt shooting even better.

Only 3 times in 16 seasons has Pierce shot 40% from 3 and he has been playing with Rondo for years. There is no reason to believe he will suddenly improve playing with Wall, especially given his age.

And Ariza played both ends of the court. Pierce is just too slow to guard the 3 while Ariza was one of the best defenders in the league.

Going from Ariza to Pierce is going to be a big downgrade.

Wall took Webster & Ariza to career highs in shooting. Getting guys high quality looks from 3 is Wall's speciality. Stats show he's better at that than anyone in the league, including Rondo so I don't think it's a stretch to say if he can help Ariza, he can help a better career shooter in Pierce.

And one doesn't need elite athleticism to be a good perimeter defender. It's mainly about effort & IQ and Pierce is still very solid on that side of the ball. As I have mentioned, Pierce at least in my research, shows to be a better team defender than Ariza. Pierce may not have the footspeed to stay with quicker SFs but he'll certainly channel the ballhandler into the defensive help correctly. Also he's like a coach on the floor, he's an excellent communicator and will yell out instructions to his teammates. There's a lot Pierce can bring to the table with his experience & work ethic that's being overlooked because were so focused on missing Ariza's athleticism on the wing.

[tontoz]

Career wise, Pierce is the better 3pt shooter (37% vs. 34.9%). I think some people are underestimating how much Wall can make Pierce's 3 pt shooting even better.

Only 3 times in 16 seasons has Pierce shot 40% from 3 and he has been playing with Rondo for years. There is no reason to believe he will suddenly improve playing with Wall, especially given his age.

And Ariza played both ends of the court. Pierce is just too slow to guard the 3 while Ariza was one of the best defenders in the league.

Going from Ariza to Pierce is going to be a big downgrade.

Wall took Webster & Ariza to career highs in shooting. Getting guys high quality looks from 3 is Wall's speciality. Stats show he's better at that than anyone in the league, including Rondo so I don't think it's a stretch to say if he can help Ariza, he can help a better career shooter in Pierce.

And one doesn't need elite athleticism to be a good perimeter defender. It's mainly about effort & IQ and Pierce is still very solid on that side of the ball. As I have mentioned, Pierce at least in my research, shows to be a better team defender than Ariza. Pierce may not have the footspeed to stay with quicker SFs but he'll certainly channel the ballhandler into the defensive help correctly. Also he's like a coach on the floor, he's an excellent communicator and will yell out instructions to his teammates. There's a lot Pierce can bring to the table with his experience & work ethic that's being overlooked because were so focused on missing Ariza's athleticism on the wing.

Webster shot just as well with Wall on the bench. His big issue over the years has been health.

Ariza and Webster were both in their primes with WAll. Pierce isn't. He has already played with an elite playmaker so there is no reason to expect a big jump in 3 point shooting.

A nets fan came on here after we signed Pierce and explained that they played Pierce at the 4 a lot with the Nets so he didn't have to guard quick wing players. Doubt that happens here.

[DCZards]

I don't think it would have made sense to offer Ariza $12 million. The Wiz signed Pierce, Humphries and Blair for almost exactly that same amount ($11,555,000) and the Wiz are left with just a smidge under the luxury tax. I don't see how they could have filled their bench like that. I liked Ariza alot but don't think he'd do more for the team than those three additions combined.

Depth at the 11th and 12th man is pretty irrelevant. I'd much rather have an upgrade at starter.

Yeah, but depth at the 6-9 man is not irrelevant...and that's where the combo of Pierce, Hump and Blair trumps having Ariza alone.

[DCZards]

And Ariza played both ends of the court. Pierce is just too slow to guard the 3 while Ariza was one of the best defenders in the league.

Going from Ariza to Pierce is going to be a big downgrade.

I agree that going from Ariza to Pierce is a downgrade. But "big" downgrade? I don't think so. Pierce on a cheaper, shorter contract than Ariza would have accepted is a good move since the real future SF of the Zards is neither Ariza nor Pierce...but Porter.

[tontoz]

And Ariza played both ends of the court. Pierce is just too slow to guard the 3 while Ariza was one of the best defenders in the league.

Going from Ariza to Pierce is going to be a big downgrade.

I agree that going from Ariza to Pierce is a downgrade. But "big" downgrade? I don't think so. Pierce on a cheaper, shorter contract than Ariza would have accepted is a good move since the real future SF of the Zards is neither Ariza nor Pierce...but Porter.

Porter....remains to be seen. I haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement one way or the other. He hasn't played meaningful minutes yet so i am not confident in making a call on him.

And i am not comparing Pierce to a resigned Ariza. I am comparing Pierce to what Ariza did last year. I don't see Pierce being nearly as effective as Ariza was last year.

I wasn't interested in resigning Ariza. Props to him for playing his career best in a Wizards uni though.

[thinker07]

I don't think it would have made sense to offer Ariza $12 million. The Wiz signed Pierce, Humphries and Blair for almost exactly that same amount ($11,555,000) and the Wiz are left with just a smidge under the luxury tax. I don't see how they could have filled their bench like that. I liked Ariza alot but don't think he'd do more for the team than those three additions combined.

Depth at the 11th and 12th man is pretty irrelevant. I'd much rather have an upgrade at starter.

Still I don't see how they could have payed Ariza $12 million and filled out the roster and stayed out of the luxury tax. To do that they likely would have had to withdraw the QO to Seraphin and then sign all minimum salary guys to fill out the roster. To me I still am more excited about having Pierce, Blair, Humphries, and Seraphin than Ariza and three minimum salary guys. And I think Ariza was great last year, but I don't see how he could play much better than last year so we would be kind of topped out.

[hands11]

Funny thing is that Ariza was weak from 3 until he came here. I think some people are underesting how much of a downgrade it will be going from Ariza's career year to an aging Pierce.

Career wise, Pierce is the better 3pt shooter (37% vs. 34.9%). I think some people are underestimating how much Wall can make Pierce's 3 pt shooting even better.

Only 3 times in 16 seasons has Pierce shot 40% from 3 and he played with Rondo for years. There is no reason to believe he will suddenly improve playing with Wall, especially given his age.

And Ariza played both ends of the court. Pierce is just too slow to guard the 3 while Ariza was one of the best defenders in the league.

Going from Ariza to Pierce is going to be a big downgrade.

Absolutely. Trevor A is a first ballet HOFer. Best SF in the league last year. Its a huge downgrade.

I'm not so worried about losing TA as I am that we are starting the season without Beal or Webster.

[hands11]

Wall and Professor back court.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2014/10/1 ... ards-ankle

"I think it will work," Beal said of a possible Wall and Miller pairing. "I think any combination we throw out there will work. It just depends on if guys are willing to buy into what coach wants them to do. I actually like that combo. It keeps defenses off balance because you have a fast point guard and you don't know who is going to bring the ball up the court. You don't know what their tendencies are on the court together. I think it will be pretty good to give them a different look."

If they do it, they have to pull Miller or Wall early to return with the 2nd unit.

[dlts20]

I dont like it for the simple fact that until we got Dre, the one person we couldnt lose was Wall. If Wall went down then we wouldnt win. Even with Wall, he had to play basically 40min and do everything because our backup PG sucked. Now we have a great one but he's still pushing 40 and if he's hurt then we are back to playing Wall super huge minutes again where he has to do a ton.

I think as far as it working, its 50 50. They are 2 pass first pg's who dont have consistent range on there J but they both can score and are good all around. I woud like to see it but only "some". Just makes more sense to me to play a young high draft pick. I mean if you are going to play someone out of position then have it be Porter. With that being said, I do want Dre to do more then backup Wall. I still want Wall to play atleast 36mpg so I would want Dre to play more then the 12 leftover. Not alot but he's too good to only play 12mpg

[hands11]

I dont like it for the simple fact that until we got Dre, the one person we couldnt lose was Wall. If Wall went down then we wouldnt win. Even with Wall, he had to play basically 40min and do everything because our backup PG sucked. Now we have a great one but he's still pushing 40 and if he's hurt then we are back to playing Wall super huge minutes again where he has to do a ton.

I think as far as it working, its 50 50. They are 2 pass first pg's who dont have consistent range on there J but they both can score and are good all around. I woud like to see it but only "some". Just makes more sense to me to play a young high draft pick. I mean if you are going to play someone out of position then have it be Porter. With that being said, I do want Dre to do more then backup Wall. I still want Wall to play atleast 36mpg so I would want Dre to play more then the 12 leftover. Not alot but he's too good to only play 12mpg

Right.

A Miller and Wall could start.
Pull Miller for Otto and then bring Miller back when Wall hits the bench.
Otto rotates over to SF when Pierce comes out.

Thats how they would do it. Miller would get more then Wall 14 minute change. Otto get more then 24 left over from PP.

Miller might end up closer to 22-25 and Otto closer to 34

Professor to a streaking Wall could be a nasty fast break.

This is if they can't find a suitable SG option. I figure they will try Temple there.

Randy has his work cut out. When losing an important piece like Beal, I prefer to turn to the best more experienced talent as the first option. Then most talented lesser experienced options.. i.e. Otto.

[dckingsfan]

Shooting guard Glen Rice Jr. left Wednesday’s game with a sprained right ankle...

[dckingsfan]

Wall and Professor back court.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2014/10/1 ... ards-ankle

"I think it will work," Beal said of a possible Wall and Miller pairing. "I think any combination we throw out there will work. It just depends on if guys are willing to buy into what coach wants them to do. I actually like that combo. It keeps defenses off balance because you have a fast point guard and you don't know who is going to bring the ball up the court. You don't know what their tendencies are on the court together. I think it will be pretty good to give them a different look."

If they do it, they have to pull Miller or Wall early to return with the 2nd unit.

Oh boy, that would really be desperation time...

[hands11]

So what was it ?

[theboomking]

So what was it ?

Probably cost us the Miami game, but I think we would have lost at Toronto anyway. Maybe we beat Dallas if we already have Beal worked into the flow and playing heavy minutes. It cost us one to two games.

[hands11]

So what was it ?

Probably cost us the Miami game, but I think we would have lost at Toronto anyway. Maybe we beat Dallas if we already have Beal worked into the flow and playing heavy minutes. It cost us one to two games.

Well considering we only have 3 loses, the answer have to be something there or less.

Would be hard to imagine we would be 11-0 at this point. And yes, TOR was a blowout so not sure if he could have helped stop that. MIA we also didn't have Nene, Rasual or Blair. So even with Beal we were short handed. He clearly would have helped there though. And DAL was close but he did play.

I think a safe beat would be to say 0 or 1 game. We could be 10-2 and 1/2 game out for best record in the league.

Things are going pretty well for our Wizards right now. But more growth to happen to get where they want to be.

Glad Beal injury happened when it did and didn't cost them much. Actually, it might have been a net positive since they discovered Rasual other players had to step up.

[Higga]

The Beal injury didn't really cost us any games since Temple basically gave us Beal-like production early on.

[dobrojim]

we only lost 2 games while BB was out so the max number is quite low

[Nivek]

The Beal injury didn't really cost us any games since Temple basically gave us Beal-like production early on.

This.

Temple and Butler played well while Beal was out. They didn't lose anything because of his injury.

[nate33]

The Beal injury didn't really cost us any games since Temple basically gave us Beal-like production early on.

In the first loss to Miami, Temple was pretty lousy. He was 2 for 8 with 3 turnovers and an ORtg of 68. Beal probably would have played considerably better. Also, don't let the 12 point differential in the final score fool you. The score was 94-90 with 3 minutes to go so it was anybody's game. A case could be made that the absence of Beal cost us this game.

The second loss to Toronto was a blowout. Beal couldn't have made up that difference.

In the third loss to Dallas, Beal played and played really well.