Acy and the Knicks

Johnny Hoops · Post #61 » by **Johnny Hoops** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:18 pm

To be honest - based on comments Fisher keeps making about it being difficult to assess the PF position properly because BARGS has been injured along with the fact that he started BARGS game 1. Throw in Phil's comments about Bargs being an outstanding player and them expecting a big year out of him.

I kind of think that both Fisher/Phil want BARGS starting at PF.

The issue with BARGS is if you bench him you'll lose him --- that won't be the case with Acy, Smith or Stat.

The other issue is that BARGS is the most talented player of the 4.

damedash09 · Post #62 » by **damedash09** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:24 pm

Knicks need more offense in the starting lineup which is why I think they need to start J smith. Acy can be an energy/hustle guy off the bench.

damedash09 · Post #63 » by **damedash09** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:25 pm

rajajackal wrote:i know it's rewarding bad behavior, and we shouldn't have to do it, but as long as amar'e is under contract with the new york knicks, we should do what's best for both parties. giving him his start impacts his rhythm like night and day. it also keeps him and bargnani off the floor at the same time, as well as keeping him supported by the team's best players while he is playing

The Knicks need to win games, not please Amare. Also there is no way both players can be in the rotation for this team to be successful. If it comes down to it, give one of these dudes playing time and bench the other one. We could use the extra offense

god shammgod · Post #64 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:36 pm

Fat Kat wrote:Amare tracks that damn ball pretty good on the offensive end. I guess he only lacks awareness on one end of the floor. It's crazy how people have bought into this crap.

yeah, i don't buy it either. i've seen him over and over point to the ball instead of going there himself. he's aware where it is, he just doesn't move there.

Bill Pidto · Post #65 » by **Bill Pidto** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:39 pm

Shump about to remind everyone why he used to be everyone's favorite player.

Also.. I say this every year but.. I love this team.

Awesome job, OP.

BRIGGS · Post #66 » by **BRIGGS** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:44 pm

The bottom line

If Im an opponent Id love to have Acy starting for the Knicks and heck play him 35 minutes with Shumpert. That will make it easy for our team to really key on Melo and I will give the Knicks all day to try and beat me with Acy Shumpert and Dalembart's offense.

On the other hand we now sink 4 offensive players into unit 2 with Smith Bargs hardaway and Smith backed by Larkin.

Anyone happen to notice weve avg very low PPG and RPG avg through 4 games? And weve played the worst teams.

This is like getting a shiny new toy--you play with it for a month than it will become old quick. Quincy Acy with our projected line up is not skilled or good enough to compensate for what we will miss. Smith on the other hand would give us the true 4 man skills a good team has. ok keep him on the bench for 30 minutes-- smart.

QueenzAllDay · Post #67 » by **QueenzAllDay** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:49 pm

Not against him starting at all and I like Fisher's logic of having high motor/energy guys in the starting lineup so the rest of the team feeds off of him.

Plus, I really like what I'm seeing from the starting unit. It looks like they are building great repertoire together.

Now we need a solid second unit team.

DrCoach · Post #68 » by **DrCoach** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:52 pm

Go ahead Acy, get your Kenneth Farried on

Post #69 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:08 pm

I will say this. I have noticed that it is more beneficial to start the game off with a stronger defensive unit than a stronger offensive unit.

Why do you ask? If a team playing the knicks gets off to a good start offensively, starts seeing the ball go in the hoop even if we bring in our best defensive players the opposing team already has a rhythm and feeling good about there shot.

Now if we start the game good defensively and get into our opposition right from the get go, our opponents might get frustrated and then even when we are not playing solid defense they may be more susceptible to miss open shots because they aren't in a rhythm or our doubting there shot.

How many times have we started the game off terribly on the defensive end to then make a come back but at the very end of the game some one drills a tough shot even when we tighten up our defense.

Point is a guy is going to make a tougher shot more times than not when he is 6 or 7 for 10 from the floor. Rather than if he is 2 or 3 for 10.

Post #70 » by **Brooklyn_Yards** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:13 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/nyknicks/status/522812273321320449[/tweet]

Calderon!

Post #71 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:13 pm

DrCoach wrote:Go ahead Acy, get your Kenneth Farried on

But QA might be able to defend well as a starter. Also can hit an outside shot here and there.

Meat · Post #72 » by **Meat** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:15 pm

mpharris36 wrote:I will say this. I have noticed that it is more beneficial to start the game off with a stronger defensive unit than a stronger offensive unit.

Why do you ask? If a team playing the knicks gets off to a good start offensively, starts seeing the ball go in the hoop even if we bring in our best defensive players the opposing team already has a rhythm and feeling good about there shot.

Now if we start the game good defensively and get into our opposition right from the get go, our opponents might get frustrated and then even when we are not playing solid defense they may be more susceptible to miss open shots because they aren't in a rhythm or our doubting there shot.

How many times have we started the game off terribly on the defensive end to then make a come back but at the very end of the game some one drills a tough shot even when we tighten up our defense.

Point is a guy is going to make a tougher shot more times than not when he is 6 or 7 for 10 from the floor. Rather than if he is 2 or 3 for 10.

yeah for sure, just happens that our offensive unit is our defensive unit. amar'e has shown he cannot function in the triangle and the 2 good defenders smith\acy have. win-win

Houston99 · Post #73 » by **Houston99** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:17 pm

i can see acy as a oakley or mason type.

Post #74 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:19 pm

mpharris36 wrote:I will say this. I have noticed that it is more beneficial to start the game off with a stronger defensive unit than a stronger offensive unit.

Why do you ask? If a team playing the knicks gets off to a good start offensively, starts seeing the ball go in the hoop even if we bring in our best defensive players the opposing team already has a rhythm and feeling good about there shot.

Now if we start the game good defensively and get into our opposition right from the get go, our opponents might get frustrated and then even when we are not playing solid defense they may be more susceptible to miss open shots because they aren't in a rhythm or our doubting there shot.

How many times have we started the game off terribly on the defensive end to then make a come back but at the very end of the game some one drills a tough shot even when we tighten up our defense.

Point is a guy is going to make a tougher shot more times than not when he is 6 or 7 for 10 from the floor. Rather than if he is 2 or 3 for 10.

Yeah, most good coaches like to do that and it works. Another reason is that defense is a lot more consistent while offense comes and goes. Defense gives you a chance to win every night. Even in our 54 win season, a big part of that was our defense. Most of the time it was Melo + Felton with 3 defensive players like Chandler, Brewer/Kidd/Prigs/Shump. They defended pretty well.

Defense still wins in the NBA.

Mr Rabbit · Post #75 » by **Mr Rabbit** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:27 pm

Houston99 wrote:i can see acy as a oakley or mason type.

I'm a Acy fan, but let the kid earn his stripes before we start mentioning him in the same breath with Oak and Mason.

Post #76 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:39 pm

Kind of sucks that he's not under contract next year at a mil.

ozwizard8 · Post #77 » by **ozwizard8** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:49 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:I think out of respect for his (Amar'e) career trajectory he should be given a chance to see if he can fit in since he claims to be completely healthy now. I'm willing to give him a couple of months.

it'll cost many games.

against toronto he was -22.. :crazy:

wakkahman · Post #78 » by **wakkahman** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:53 pm

Ppl keep saying we have no offense in the starting lineup with acy.... Calderon can produce, shumpert can produce on an inconsistent basis. If we keep it even defensively with that lineup well open up big leads on the nights where shumpert and calderon are on target.

E86 · Post #79 » by **E86** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:57 pm

Great post dude, interesting read.

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nykfan42 · Post #80 » by **nykfan42** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:29 pm

I love Acy. Great post OP. Interesting stuff, especially the tidbit with Acy telling Noel "This is a man's game". I love that haha. The fans will love Acy and Jason Smith. I wouldn't mind if either of them started.

It's sad with STAT because it just takes him forever to get back into the flow. I agree with some posters, I believe it's more of him thinking than reacting. I don't believe it's lack of skill on the offensive end. He was pretty solid in the post and productive offensively last year in limited minutes. Defensively he's awful and that will never change.