Acy and the Knicks

[Boarder Patrol]

Loving Acy's hustle, unselfishness and defense. We need an enforcer with some actual bite, K-Mart served us well for a while but it was time to move on.

I like him as a starter here for now. I'd rather he take shots when open and make a couple than Bargs or Stat dominate the ball on horrific efficiency, while playing worse defense. Between him and Shumpert, we'd have two guys who play unselfishly on O and go hard on D. No need for Amare or Bargs to play when we're not contending this year, they're gone in a year anyway, and they negatively effect us when we play.

Jose / Pablo
Shump / Timmy
Melo / JR Smith
Acy / Smith
Dally / Aldrich

Surprising amounts of smarts and hustle there, a good start. JR is on thin ice but I still think he can be moulded into an effective 20 MPG bench scorer if we regulate his minutes and shots right. He needs to literally be re-trained the game so there's got to be some patience, but it's not like Amare or B where he's beyond reproach.

[NYKsince03]

Great post you blessed us NYK fans lol

I'm surprised how garbage Larkin is, though it is fixable i don't like his size and inability to lead the second unit as a PG not sure if sharkin and prigs are enough

as one of amare biggest supporters its sad to want him traded but he can't do 1 thing right. last season it took awhile for him to come thru but thats unacceptable now id rather see j smith and acy even barfs play for now ...
if he re-injures we might get to re-sign later for the vet min. WIN WIN ???

[Thorn]

The hammer of THORn

Thorn dropping the ban hammer on Craptor trolls:

ROFL!

I am going to have use this in any threads I lock or ban posts from now on.

That and THORn will become a thing... I can see it now.

Thanks!

[Deeeez Knicks]

I like Acy and much rather see him then Bargs or Amare, but I wonder if Jason Smith will end up starting.

[moocow007]

i know it's rewarding bad behavior, and we shouldn't have to do it, but as long as amar'e is under contract with the new york knicks, we should do what's best for both parties. giving him his start impacts his rhythm like night and day. it also keeps him and bargnani off the floor at the same time, as well as keeping him supported by the team's best players while he is playing

This is exactly how you create bad blood in the locker room. You have to throw out a hook when a player isn't playing the way a team needs to be, he'll that's what the d league is for! A mare and JR should be on short leashes if they don't play within the system. We have plenty of players to fill the void in his position.

Yes and no. Yes, ideally you would want everyone to know that you the better you play the more you'll play. However players aren't robots and I think most guys know that you may not necessarily get minutes just like that. Acy is a new player. He's been shuttled around quite a bit already. I would get that he knows the drill and would not be broken by not starting and that he would continue to play the same way regardless (role player, it's what he is). Stoudemire, on the other hand, I'd picture as probably a more fragile psyche in that regards. And as much as a lot of Knick fans might want to say "so what", the reality is that he's still on this team, in the locker room and whatever he does and is does impact the rest of that team. They aren't going to find anyone to trade for him that wouldn't require the Knicks to either fork up what few assets they have or screw their 2015/2016 plans by having to take back long term contracts. They could Penny Hardaway him (send him home) but that also sends a real bad message. I don't think it's as simple. It's also easier to get role players to learn and fit a new system quickly than you do established guys like Stoudemire...so 3 games in may or may not be proof. More of an issue would be any plans on preserving Stoudemire's body and/or belief that there is no way he'd be able to play more than 60 games. That would be more justification for not starting him than anything Acy has done.

[Deeeez Knicks]

its sad how many washed up vets we have had over the years. Too depressing to even try to name them all.

[moocow007]

its sad how many washed up vets we have had over the years. Too depressing to even try to name them all.

Yep. There's been a whole lot. A whole, whole, whole lot. Seemed like Scotty Stirling back in the 80's were deliberately picking up those types (Rolando Blackman, Kiki Vandeweghe, Truck Robinson, etc.). Then we had a mini reprieve and pretty much picked back up with the Scott Layden era in 1999 and beyond (Larry Hughes, Penny Hardaway, Steve Francis, etc.)

EDIT: Stirling didn't sign those guys but you get the drift.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Stat off the bench makes sense because ideally he can somewhat duplicate Melo's role as the hub of the offense. He's not doing it now but let's give it more games before we conclude he's going to suck unless he's a starter.

[Workforce250]

its sad how many washed up vets we have had over the years. Too depressing to even try to name them all.

Yep. There's been a whole lot. A whole, whole, whole lot. Seemed like Scotty Stirling back in the 80's were deliberately picking up those types (Rolando Blackman, Kiki Vandeweghe, Truck Robinson, etc.). Then we had a mini reprieve and pretty much picked back up with the Scott Layden era in 1999.

EDIT: Stirling didn't sign those guys but you get the drift.

In my opinion, Rolando Blackman would have gotten us a Championship, if Riley wasn't stuck on Starks.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Yes and no. Yes, ideally you would want everyone to know that you the better you play the more you'll play. However players aren't robots and I think most guys know that you may not necessarily get minutes just like that. Acy is a new player. He's been shuttled around quite a bit already. I would get that he knows the drill and would not be broken by not starting and that he would continue to play the same way regardless (role player, it's what he is). Stoudemire, on the other hand, I'd picture as probably a more fragile psyche in that regards. And as much as a lot of Knick fans might want to say "so what", the reality is that he's still on this team, in the locker room and whatever he does and is does impact the rest of that team. They aren't going to find anyone to trade for him that wouldn't require the Knicks to either fork up what few assets they have or screw their 2015/2016 plans by having to take back long term contracts. They could Penny Hardaway him (send him home) but that also sends a real bad message. I don't think it's as simple. It's also easier to get role players to learn and fit a new system quickly than you do established guys like Stoudemire...so 3 games in may or may not be proof. More of an issue would be any plans on preserving Stoudemire's body and/or belief that there is no way he'd be able to play more than 60 games. That would be more justification for not starting him than anything Acy has done.

Amare is in a contract year and will most likely be looking for a new team in a league full of PF's. Doubt he wants to create the perception that he's a malcontent.

[moocow007]

its sad how many washed up vets we have had over the years. Too depressing to even try to name them all.

Yep. There's been a whole lot. A whole, whole, whole lot. Seemed like Scotty Stirling back in the 80's were deliberately picking up those types (Rolando Blackman, Kiki Vandeweghe, Truck Robinson, etc.). Then we had a mini reprieve and pretty much picked back up with the Scott Layden era in 1999.

EDIT: Stirling didn't sign those guys but you get the drift.

In my opinion, Rolando Blackman would have gotten us a Championship, if Riley wasn't stuck on Starks.

Yeah probably. Didn't Riley once say that it was the worst decision he ever made as a Knicks head coach (keeping Blackman on the bench in favor of Starks)? But I think that was more reflective of how bad Starks was that infamous 2-16 game than how good Blackman was.

But the point was that Blackman was a classic example of the Knicks acquiring a washed up vet. Blackman was basically done for by the time he got to NY. He ended up retiring 2 short underwhelming years with the Knicks where he struggled to do much of anything. The only thing good about it was even though the Knicks traded the their 1995 1st round pick for him, that draft was piss poor so they ended up not really missing much (unless one believes that the Knicks would have drafted Michael Finley had they kept their pick).

[moocow007]

Yes and no. Yes, ideally you would want everyone to know that you the better you play the more you'll play. However players aren't robots and I think most guys know that you may not necessarily get minutes just like that. Acy is a new player. He's been shuttled around quite a bit already. I would get that he knows the drill and would not be broken by not starting and that he would continue to play the same way regardless (role player, it's what he is). Stoudemire, on the other hand, I'd picture as probably a more fragile psyche in that regards. And as much as a lot of Knick fans might want to say "so what", the reality is that he's still on this team, in the locker room and whatever he does and is does impact the rest of that team. They aren't going to find anyone to trade for him that wouldn't require the Knicks to either fork up what few assets they have or screw their 2015/2016 plans by having to take back long term contracts. They could Penny Hardaway him (send him home) but that also sends a real bad message. I don't think it's as simple. It's also easier to get role players to learn and fit a new system quickly than you do established guys like Stoudemire...so 3 games in may or may not be proof. More of an issue would be any plans on preserving Stoudemire's body and/or belief that there is no way he'd be able to play more than 60 games. That would be more justification for not starting him than anything Acy has done.

Amare is in a contract year and will most likely be looking for a new team in a league full of PF's. Doubt he wants to create the perception that he's a malcontent.

That would assume that Stoudemire actually thinks like that. But Stoudemire has done some pretty unexpected/stupid things in the past that seems to be centered around his pride. And a hurt pride would probably not be a positive thing for him. Again, it could, it could not. But that's what has to be juggled by Fisher. Why I said it's not that simple.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Amare will need another big pay day to fund his red wine baths

[Workforce250]

Yep. There's been a whole lot. A whole, whole, whole lot. Seemed like Scotty Stirling back in the 80's were deliberately picking up those types (Rolando Blackman, Kiki Vandeweghe, Truck Robinson, etc.). Then we had a mini reprieve and pretty much picked back up with the Scott Layden era in 1999.
EDIT: Stirling didn't sign those guys but you get the drift.

In my opinion, Rolando Blackman would have gotten us a Championship, if Riley wasn't stuck on Starks.

Yeah probably. Didn't Riley once say that it was the worst decision he ever made as a Knicks head coach (keeping Blackman on the bench in favor of Starks)? But I think that was more reflective of how bad Starks was that infamous 2-16 game than how good Blackman was.

But the point was that Blackman was a classic example of the Knicks acquiring a washed up vet. Blackman was basically done for by the time he got to NY. He ended up retiring 2 short underwhelming years with the Knicks where he struggled to do much of anything. The only thing good about it was even though the Knicks traded the their 1995 1st round pick for him, that draft was piss poor so they ended up not really missing much (unless one believes that the Knicks would have drafted Michael Finley had they kept their pick).

I hear you.

Riley always said, he felt Starks was one BIG shot from getting on a roll. Alas, it never came, shot after shot.
Although Rolando was no longer an elite shooter, he and Derek Harper, in my heart, could have done damaged. They, both from Dallas, had alot of experience and success against Houston. All is hindsight though.

Michael nor Kobe nor Lebron, needed veterans to get them championships. While it's important for playoff experience, it's more important to develop the experience themselves.
How I see it these are the necessary steps to win the Championship:

- Every year reach deeper and deeper into the playoffs.
- Suffer that one loss, in which one knew in their hearts, should have won. (create that hunger, that pain.)
- Refuse to feel that pain again.

The Knicks have a long voyage ahead perhaps 3 years worth. But a guy like Acy who is 24, Shumpert who is 24, Timmy 22 are great players to have, who can build on that type of experience.

That is why I refuse to trade any of the young guys for Draft picks (ridiculous), or gut the team of young talent.

[bigfnjoe96]

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[GYK]

I don't mind him being the starter for this season. He would have to consistently the mid range jumper and be an elite defender. The FA class is more then likely bigs.

[Capn'O]

Yep. There's been a whole lot. A whole, whole, whole lot. Seemed like Scotty Stirling back in the 80's were deliberately picking up those types (Rolando Blackman, Kiki Vandeweghe, Truck Robinson, etc.). Then we had a mini reprieve and pretty much picked back up with the Scott Layden era in 1999.

EDIT: Stirling didn't sign those guys but you get the drift.

In my opinion, Rolando Blackman would have gotten us a Championship, if Riley wasn't stuck on Starks.

Yeah probably. Didn't Riley once say that it was the worst decision he ever made as a Knicks head coach (keeping Blackman on the bench in favor of Starks)? But I think that was more reflective of how bad Starks was that infamous 2-16 game than how good Blackman was.

But the point was that Blackman was a classic example of the Knicks acquiring a washed up vet. Blackman was basically done for by the time he got to NY. He ended up retiring 2 short underwhelming years with the Knicks where he struggled to do much of anything. The only thing good about it was even though the Knicks traded the their 1995 1st round pick for him, that draft was piss poor so they ended up not really missing much (unless one believes that the Knicks would have drafted Michael Finley had they kept their pick).

Just looked up that draft* - Finley was off the board but Knicks _could_ have gotten Greg "The Tag" "Tag Sale" Ostertag. Would have given some relief at Center. Getting rid of Rod Strickland was the real blunder of that decade.

It was a bit weird that Blackman wasn't really used in that playoffs in general. They worked their starters in those days.

*Also, I always thought Shawn Respert was going to amount to something. That kid could flat out shoot the ball.

[duetta]

If memory serves me, Blackman hurt his back almost immediately after the deal. May have been in his first training camp. He was never the same again. That Knicks-Rockets series was the kind of defensive struggle that Stern all but outlawed - and unless you were at the top of your game, you had no business being on the floor for. For instance, Greg Anthony was beyond useless in that series, due to the extraordinary defensive pressure being brought by the Rockets.

[Lord Commander]

Amare will need another big pay day to fund his red wine baths

Not if he's using Manischewitz...

[Fat Kat]

i can see acy as a oakley or mason type.

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