Acy and the Knicks

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Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 6m6 minutes ago

Fisher says Bargnani will not play tomorrow. #Knicks

And I actually had folks debating me about this cat being injury prone.

Amare has played more games the last few years.....Amare.

[Pharmcat]

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 6m6 minutes ago

Fisher says Bargnani will not play tomorrow. #Knicks

And I actually had folks debating me about this cat being injury prone.

Amare has played more games the last few years.....Amare.

no doubt that trade turned out to be a failure

[wakkahman]

Theres a few things acy gives us in the starting lineup that i havent seen anyone mention.

#1 - Quickness in transition both defensively and offensively
#2 - The ability to match up more quickly on transition defense. Acy can guard 1-5 for short periods of time.
#3 As much as some of you hate it he also gives the team the ability to switch on defense more and not get burned for it because of athletic ability and defensive versatility.

All of this ontop of the obvious which others have mentioned like Hitting the open midrange jumper and Bringing energy and intensity which the team feeds off of

[NoLayupRule]

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 6m6 minutes ago

Fisher says Bargnani will not play tomorrow. #Knicks

And I actually had folks debating me about this cat being injury prone.

Amare has played more games the last few years.....Amare.

no doubt that trade turned out to be a failure

I wouldn't mind Novak back on this team as much as a mess as he was at times

[Deeeez Knicks]

Novak >>>> Bargs

[Mr_Perfect]

That trade was a failure the second it was made.

Raptors fan practically threw a parade after the deal.

[wakkahman]

I think bargnani is the superior player overall by a large margin but theyre very different players. Novak is clearly a better 3pt shooter but bargnani is the better midrange shooter, hes also bigger, more athletic, and as hard it is to believe the better defender. The other thing is Novak is a willing and has accepted being roleplayer and his 3pt range was more valuble in woodson's system.

[Capn'O]

It's too bad about the draft pick next year. We'll likely enjoy the cap space next summer.

This year - if Batgs isn't working out and soon, just cut him.

[Capn'O]

That trade was a failure the second it was made.

Raptors fan practically threw a parade after the deal.

There was a certain poetic justice to the trade. After the Pacers series, fans were demanding a second scoring option, more size, and to dump Novak's contract for 2015. A few weeks later: "You want us to do all that eh? With our assets? How does Andrea Bargnani suit ya?"

I mean, you still have guys that think we could have landed LaMarcus **** Aldridge that summer. Ironically, Jason Smith would have suited the situation just fine.

Two unsung killers were Novak's and then JR's contracts bumping into 2015. There was no foreseeable reason to go in like that for Steve, in particular. It put the team in a desperate situation to make their long term plan work after 2012-13.

[xsaberx]

I don't understand how anyone thinks Bargnani is a good player. The only thing he is better than average at is his midrange jump shot - that's it. It's a lame skill and the least effective shot in the game. If he was a good rebounder, or shot blocker, or defender, or three point shooter - then a midrange shot would be a good addition - but he is well below average at all of these skills. He is an average passer. He is average at scoring in a one on one play. What do people like about him? Why is there even a debate as to if he should play?

[Phish Tank]

I'd rather have Bargnani stay out he entire year due to injury


Sent from the mind of world peace

[NoLayupRule]

I think bargnani is the superior player overall by a large margin but theyre very different players. Novak is clearly a better 3pt shooter but bargnani is the better midrange shooter, hes also bigger, more athletic, and as hard it is to believe the better defender. The other thing is Novak is a willing and has accepted being roleplayer and his 3pt range was more valuble in woodson's system.

all of that is more than true

however Bargs is a role player at best
Novack is also a role player

only one of those players knows and successfully plays their role


Bargs has so much more skill that he tries and is expected to do much more. then he gets hurt or fails in some other way and its just a massive disappointment

[Jheri Curl]

I will forever hate the Bargs trade.

And as imperfect as J.R. is and I did honestly want him gone...he's still the best SG on our team. He's the only SG that is middle of the road on both offense and defense even with the boneheaded plays. Shumpert still can't score and won't even accept his role as a 3 and D where he would excel and the past year he hasn't even done that right.

Tim is a scorer through and through but plays no defense. At all. Shot selection just as bad as J.R.'s too. At least J.R. would pass the ball when the opportunity presents itself lol.

If things go right, the other two will develop throughout the year and we can re-evaluate as we go along.

[Meat]

I'd rather have Bargnani stay out he entire year due to injury


Sent from the mind of world peace

because he ruins our championship hopes?

[Deeeez Knicks]

That trade was a failure the second it was made.

Raptors fan practically threw a parade after the deal.

There was a certain poetic justice to the trade. After the Pacers series, fans were demanding a second scoring option, more size, and to dump Novak's contract for 2015. A few weeks later: "You want us to do all that eh? With our assets? How does Andrea Bargnani suit ya?"

I mean, you still have guys that think we could have landed LaMarcus **** Aldridge that summer. Ironically, Jason Smith would have suited the situation just fine.

Two unsung killers were Novak's and then JR's contracts bumping into 2015. There was no foreseeable reason to go in like that for Steve, in particular. It put the team in a desperate situation to make their long term plan work after 2012-13.

Sadly, Novak probably has more trade value then Bargs. Toronto was able to shed his deal pretty easily. I don't think we could even get Diante Garrett for Bargs at this point even if it worked under the cba.

Dolan/Grunnie/Mills/CAA were pretty awful.

[moocow007]

I may be in the minority but I actually hope that Bargnani can produce and help this team this season...regardless of how disappointing he's been so far.

[Phish Tank]

I'd rather have Bargnani stay out he entire year due to injury


Sent from the mind of world peace

because he ruins our championship hopes?

nah, but rather it helps us with depth issues that we know at least someone won't be playing the entire year

[gavran]

Shumpert ... won't even accept his role as a 3 and D

Did he tell you that personally?

[Jheri Curl]

Shumpert ... won't even accept his role as a 3 and D

Did he tell you that personally?

Well considering he told a reporter that he's not a 3 and D player and he's an offense and defense guy and doesn't know what 3 and D means...it seems like he thinks he's above the role, which doesn't sound good after coming off such a bad year. He has to know his strengths and weaknesses. I'm all for a guy desiring more but its all about baby steps and he hasn't even started walking yet.

[god shammgod]

I may be in the minority but I actually hope that Bargnani can produce and help this team this season...regardless of how disappointing he's been so far.

that would be great but will that actually happen ? and the only way to find out is to play him for awhile and hope he turns the corner. i'm sick of guys like bargs/amare who need to round into form or be in perfect scenarios to work. there's a bunch of new guys who joined the team and they're all fine. they fit right into their roles right away.