Off Topic VI

[HornetJail]

#tankforsafetyhelp

#andhelpeverywhereelse

[TheKingofSting]

haha, sad but true for us.

[Liver_Pooty]

We should have made a play for Percy Harvin. Guy has a terrible attitude at times, but hes a flat out game changer when hes healthy.

But thats a rarity.

[TheKingofSting]

For what was given up for him, I don't understand why we didn't make a play, I also like how Seattle tried to get Thomas out of it lol. A for effort!

[amcoolio]

No thanks on Harvin. Has a Jonathan Stewart contract for 6 years. 6 years!

[Liver_Pooty]

No thanks on Harvin. Has a Jonathan Stewart contract for 6 years. 6 years!

His contract isn't guaranteed after this year if im not mistaken. He can be cut if need be

[Liver_Pooty]

Next draft we better go specifically after pass rushers and corners. I wouldn't care if we spent the entire draft on those two positions. The OL has been below average, but Newton is alive and we all knew it would suck after Gross retired anyway. Let Benjamin develop, maybe sign a receiver and an OL that is average or slightly above average.

But we have to address the secondary and pass rush. Immediately.

[JDR720]

keeping Cam alive is the most important thing, i want an OT or two in the early rounds of the draft

[Liver_Pooty]

keeping Cam alive is the most important thing, i want an OT or two in the early rounds of the draft

Cam would be fine if he knew how to slide and ran smart with the ball like Russell Wilson does. Wilson is a midget compared to Newton, but runs the ball insanely well, and when contact comes he gets out of bounds or slides. Newton doesn't mind contact, but then again neither did Donovan McNabb and he went downhill in a hurry after he took a ton of hits.

[JDR720]

maybe he wouldn't have to run as much if the O-Line didn't suck

[Liver_Pooty]

maybe he wouldn't have to run as much if the O-Line didn't suck

He needs to run though, thats what he does. Just needs to be safe and not stupid while doing it.

[BeesWax]

Bringing in FAs is the least important way of acquiring talent in the NFL especially for a team with no Cap Space. No team that kills it on paper during Free Agency is any good. Team generally don't let good players go until they aren't worth the money any more.

Yet that was the job Gettleman had at NYG. He was in charge of scouting the NFL players for FA. The draft was Marc Ross the young guy we should have hired when we got a new GM.

I don't think hes the 2nd coming of Jesus or anything. I just I think we could hire the entire 49ers front office and it would take more than 2 off-seasons to sort out all the things wrong with this team. Any worst contracts in the NFL article includes more than one Panthers player and usually a couple more in the honorable mention section.

He inherited a bit of a mess true but he also told us there was not an OT better than what we had at our spots in the draft. UDFA Hurst in Baltimore is better than anything we have at OT now. We needed someone at OT but Gettleman kept talking up Bell. Bell was terrible the past few years and there was no reason for hope from him. I question his ability to make this team better. We need to bring in a GM who can really draft and knows the game.

[BeesWax]

Next draft we better go specifically after pass rushers and corners. I wouldn't care if we spent the entire draft on those two positions. The OL has been below average, but Newton is alive and we all knew it would suck after Gross retired anyway. Let Benjamin develop, maybe sign a receiver and an OL that is average or slightly above average.

But we have to address the secondary and pass rush. Immediately.

I would go OT, DE, OT then CB to start this next draft if the right people fell. It is hard to predict because you hate to reach but we really need to replace Bell and Chandler. We just spent a second rounder on a DE and he has not really panned out yet. Man we have a lot of holes.

[Benjamin Linus]

Along with all of their other needs, I think Carolina needs to find a legit RB. They obviously want to be a run-first team that controls the time of possession. Plus rookie RBs are usually NFL ready and can step in right away.

But yeah that secondary is a joke. I would not be against spending some high draft picks and cap space on a couple of CBs and safeties at all. DE's usually take a few years to develop so I'm not sure if they would spend another high pick on one if they're in win-now mode. I would say just go BPA on OT, RB, CB, and S.

[BeesWax]

Along with all of their other needs, I think Carolina needs to find a legit RB. They obviously want to be a run-first team that controls the time of possession. Plus rookie RBs are usually NFL ready and can step in right away.

But yeah that secondary is a joke. I would not be against spending some high draft picks and cap space on a couple of CBs and safeties at all. DE's usually take a few years to develop so I'm not sure if they would spend another high pick on one if they're in win-now mode. I would say just go BPA on OT, RB, CB, and S.

I am not worried about finding a RB because if our line could block our RBs could run now. There are always guys out there you can find and once we get out of the contracts for Stewart and Williams we can go cheaper there. What we need first is OL and DL help and some speed in the secondary.

[fatlever]

positions of need:
everything except QB, TE and LB. Much easier than trying to list all the positions we should target in the next draft.

I'd probably lean towards OT and DB with our first 2 picks next year and also focus on improving team speed across the board.

[HornetJail]

positions of need:
everything except QB, TE and LB. Much easier than trying to list all the positions we should target in the next draft.

I'd probably lean towards OT and DB with our first 2 picks next year and also focus on improving team speed across the board.

Can't argue with that, but if we manage to get Todd Gurley in the draft as the RB of the future, I think we've got to do it and then go with OTs in multiple rounds and turn to free agency for defensive help.

[JDR720]

we dont need a kicker or a punter.... yet

[BlackOutBuzz]

Good: QB, C, TE, DT, MLB, WLB, NB, LS, K, P

Needs improvement
OG: We've got some solid pieces here, namely Turner, but an upgrade would certainly help.
RB/FB: It needs work, but the line is the root of the issue. We have a pair of first round running backs but a line in which 7 of 10 guys to make the roster were undrafted. At some points yesterday we were playing with a completely undrafted OLine. Unacceptable. Use high picks on OL and plug in undrafted RBs, I guarantee that will work much better. If we draft a RB before the 5th I may scream.
WR: I actually feel OK at WR, thanks to Benji. That said, while Cotchery, Avant, and Bersin are solid 3s, we really need a 2 that can stretch the field (a Stretch 2, if you will). Maybe that's Stephen Hill? Not sure yet.
DE: This is another position that, like OG, has some decent talent but could use some help. Especially if CJ, Hardy, and Alexander are no longer in long-term plans.
SLB: Klein and Blackburn have been decent, but Chase is expiring and AJ is kinda playing out of his preferred position of MLB. We run like 75% of plays out of the nickel anyway, so this isn't as big an issue as others.
KR/PR: I really like Philly... As a receiver. Not sold on him as a returner.

Sucks
LT/RT: GOD
CB: HELP
FS/SS: US

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[fatlever]

the team desperately needs a speedy playmaker on offense - either a scatback, a speedy stretch 2 (as blackout says) or a slot guy - someone who can get the ball in space and make things happen.