Shabazz Napier Watch

walk with me · Post #1 » by **walk with me** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:36 pm

I'm curious how everyone feels about Shabazz right now. Obviously it's SUPER early but it seems he's having one of the better pre-seasons of all the rookies right now.

I personally would like to see him get atleast 15-20 minutes per game and maybe start against lesser teams. I think he has what it takes to average 12-15 per game.

Again it's early but he looks REALLY good. I'm happy that norris & rio will have to be on their A-game this season because there will be someone on the bench ready to replace either of them asap

cyclix · Post #2 » by **cyclix** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:26 pm

His preseason stats:
6 G
12.7 PPG on 58% TS & 47% eFG
27.0 USG (4th among all rookies)
26.57 PER (leads all rookie PGs)

His USG will be high so I can see him putting up good numbers. He can slash to the basket and is very creative and can get to the line. He also has great confidence on his shot. His ball handling will make him to have a high usage because his great handles will make him to initiate the offense. No one else besides Wade can have the ball for x amount of seconds w/o looking clumsy

RexBoyWonder · Post #3 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:34 pm

He looks decent, showing signs of real PG potential. We haven't seen that in years.

It's too early to tell how good he can become, But it's early enough to see he has a higher potential then our 2 other, below average PG's - Rio and Cole AKA Dumb and dumber.

For that reason alone I want him to play 30 minutes CONSISTENTLY. We have nothing to lose and we need to give the best chance to develop...our other options aren't good.

goodboy · Post #4 » by **goodboy** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:41 pm

If he keeps this up... funny enough LBJ was right about him after all lol

Sgt P · Post #5 » by **Sgt P** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:41 pm

He has made me realize, how bad Mario and Cole our, this past years. I hope in reg season, he can continue to grow right along with Ennis. Its good to be excited about these two youngins.

walk with me · Post #6 » by **walk with me** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:00 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
For that reason alone I want him to play 30 minutes CONSISTENTLY. We have nothing to lose and we need to give the best chance to develop...our other options aren't good.

i agree with this.

I was going to say I want him to start (kind of an exageration but not really....) but this forum is too serious.

cyclix · Post #7 » by **cyclix** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:26 pm

HeatWillRise wrote:If he keeps this up... funny enough LBJ was right about him after all lol

Can we ever get LeBron out of our minds? I mean... good riddance!

goodboy · Post #8 » by **goodboy** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:30 pm

cyclix wrote:
HeatWillRise wrote:If he keeps this up... funny enough LBJ was right about him after all lol

Can we ever get LeBron out of our minds? I mean... good riddance!

Stop complaining.

It was just a statement which was linked to Napier. Nothing wrong about it at all.

Maroko · Post #9 » by **Maroko** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:07 pm

He hasnt faced any starting point guard so far and his defense sucks big, you can clearly see he will be targetting on defense...
we need them to use the fusions dance (dbz fans) to merge cole's defense and bazz's offense.
He will face the same problem than Beasley had last season : great offense but zero defense

And Spo is not the kind of coach of using the sub tactic on defense / offense for the last minutes...

bla bla bla hate i brought facts bring yours :nod:

djkeem · Post #10 » by **djkeem** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:27 pm

He played alot minutes against stephen curry.
Check the highlights and the boxscore =).

Post #11 » by **DefenseWins** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:03 pm

Maroko wrote:He hasnt faced any starting point guard so far and his defense sucks big, you can clearly see he will be targetting on defense...
we need them to use the fusions dance (dbz fans) to merge cole's defense and bazz's offense.
He will face the same problem than Beasley had last season : great offense but zero defense

And Spo is not the kind of coach of using the sub tactic on defense / offense for the last minutes...

bla bla bla hate i brought facts bring yours

Zero defense?

bruh how many games have you watched

I'm curious to know how many others agree Napier has zero defense, cause what I have seen is Napier has good instincts. He is definitely not Beasley like on defense.

Slot Machine · Post #12 » by **Slot Machine** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:54 pm

Start him. He gives us the best chance to win, even right now, and this season, we need every single game.

Zombiesonics · Post #13 » by **Zombiesonics** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:39 am

No defenses :lol:

, his anticipation in passing lanes AND when doubling down . Great set of hands, people 3-5 inches taller will give him issues , but he is so craft he will count your dribbles on post ups . He bumps weak side very well , and his rotations are exquisite.

He just needs to ( has already been ) work on turning down the flash make the simple plays.

cyclix · Post #14 » by **cyclix** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:47 am

His DEF rating this preseason has been 111, which is 3rd worst among rookie PGs. He needs work on it most definitely, but we've played against great offensive teams in the preseason, so its all good. His OFF rating though is 120 which is very impressive considering he has a high USG (27.0). No rookie with as high an ORTG has nearly as much USG.

ifrosty13 · Post #15 » by **ifrosty13** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:16 am

You can show me all the stats in the world, but what I see is that when the kid is in the game, we're building leads or getting back into games.

Slot Machine · Post #16 » by **Slot Machine** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:29 am

cyclix wrote:His DEF rating this preseason has been 111, which is 3rd worst among rookie PGs. He needs work on it most definitely, but we've played against great offensive teams in the preseason, so its all good. His OFF rating though is 120 which is very impressive considering he has a high USG (27.0). No rookie with as high an ORTG has nearly as much USG.

This isn't how DRTG and ORTG are used.

cyclix · Post #17 » by **cyclix** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:39 am

Slot Machine wrote:
cyclix wrote:His DEF rating this preseason has been 111, which is 3rd worst among rookie PGs. He needs work on it most definitely, but we've played against great offensive teams in the preseason, so its all good. His OFF rating though is 120 which is very impressive considering he has a high USG (27.0). No rookie with as high an ORTG has nearly as much USG.

This isn't how DRTG and ORTG are used.

So how is it used? Enlighten me.

Slot Machine · Post #18 » by **Slot Machine** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:06 am

cyclix wrote:
Slot Machine wrote:
cyclix wrote:His DEF rating this preseason has been 111, which is 3rd worst among rookie PGs. He needs work on it most definitely, but we've played against great offensive teams in the preseason, so its all good. His OFF rating though is 120 which is very impressive considering he has a high USG (27.0). No rookie with as high an ORTG has nearly as much USG.

This isn't how DRTG and ORTG are used.

So how is it used? Enlighten me.

In my opinion, it's not really a great stat unless you're looking over the real long-term, like an entire career. Even then, there's better stats. On/Off for one is a lot better.

DRTG and ORTG are dependent on whom that player is playing with. An easy example is Carlos Boozer. By all metrics and trains of thought, a horrible defender. His DRTG the past four years has been 100 or below. Did he suddenly get a better as a defender? No, but he played in a great system with great defenders. Andre Iguodala, an elite defender, had a DRTG of 103 and 105 the past two years. Does that mean he's a worse defender than Boozer? No, but he played with (comparatively) worse lineups on a (comparatively) worse defense.

I'm not sure what the recent push has been regarding DRTG and ORTG by mainstream sports sites like ESPN but it's really not a great stat and doesn't represent what you'd think it would. Just as an example, a great defender who was bad on offense could play with four guys who are great on offense but terrible on defense and that one player's ORTG would be high while his DRTG would be low, which obviously doesn't reflect his skillset.

ORTG and DRTG rely way too much on what lineups and players a player is generally involved in to be useful in analysis.

Heat3 · Post #19 » by **Heat3** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:32 am

I don't want them to mess around. Just start him. He's better than the other two. Some will say he's not ready, I say he won't get anymore ready sitting on the bench. Trust the kid and don't hold him back with some stupid process. Recognize the talent and use it. SVG trusted rookie Wade, the current staff needs to trust this kid that he can do his job. Chalmers will be a good backup and cole is as good as gone.

Post #20 » by **DefenseWins** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:18 am

cyclix wrote:His DEF rating this preseason has been 111, which is 3rd worst among rookie PGs. He needs work on it most definitely, but we've played against great offensive teams in the preseason, so its all good. His OFF rating though is 120 which is very impressive considering he has a high USG (27.0). No rookie with as high an ORTG has nearly as much USG.

The numbers read as...

When Napier is on the court, the team allows 111 points per 100 possessions
When Napier is on the court, the team scores 120 points per 100 possessions

something like that

The Heat this preseason haven't been good defensively in terms of points allowed. If anything that number looks normal considering how the Heat's defense has been in preseason, it's a team/line up thing as well as Napier playing a lot with the 3rd stringers. Slot Machine makes a good point about Boozer. In 2012 Boozer had a DEF rating of 95 in regular season and playoffs LOL. All 4 guys around you impacts that number and in 2012 Chicago had like the best defense. For stats sake, LeBron (bare with me, he played good defense first 3 years) in 2012 on this team had a DEF rating of 97... Boozer better than LeBron that year defensively? hell naw

We'll see in the regular season, but I wouldn't put any weight on it and say he "sucks" defensively, cause this whole team's DEF rating is basically 115 or something lol.

But the thing is all of this data really doesn't mean anything much, as teams don't have their starters out there. Numbers are everywhere cause it's preseason. We just gotta wait til the regular season