Acy and the Knicks

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #261 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:57 pm

Bargs will always disappoint those who have any expectation from him whatsoever, and that includes our current coaching staff who seem to want him to start. The problem is he is clearly a talented player but, after this many years of being a net negative, there is no reason to continue to fit a square peg into a round hole. Sit him down and let his contract expire.

Orange Mamba · Post #262 » by **Orange Mamba** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:58 pm

Jheri Curl wrote:
gavran wrote:
Jheri Curl wrote:Shumpert ... won't even accept his role as a 3 and D

Did he tell you that personally?

Well considering he told a reporter that he's not a 3 and D player and he's an offense and defense guy and doesn't know what 3 and D means...it seems like he thinks he's above the role, which doesn't sound good after coming off such a bad year. He has to know his strengths and weaknesses. I'm all for a guy desiring more but its all about baby steps and he hasn't even started walking yet.

I think you're making too much of that comment. I like that he wants to be a better player in general. Also as the starting lineup stands (with Acy), he'll probably have his chance at a bigger role on offense so let's see if he responds.

god shammgod · Post #263 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:02 pm

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 5m5 minutes ago

Andrea Bargnani (hamstring) remains out and the #Knicks power forward rotation remains in flux. More here: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blog ... ty=newyork …

Tron Carter · Post #264 » by **Tron Carter** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:27 pm

god shammgod wrote:Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 5m5 minutes ago

Andrea Bargnani (hamstring) remains out and the #Knicks power forward rotation remains in flux. More here: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blog ... ty=newyork …

it gets interesting if j. smith starts this game at the 4.

Post #265 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:54 pm

Tron Carter wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 5m5 minutes ago

Andrea Bargnani (hamstring) remains out and the #Knicks power forward rotation remains in flux. More here: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blog ... ty=newyork …

it gets interesting if j. smith starts this game at the 4.

It sounds like he may get his chance. He has looked like our best all around big so far, so it makes sense he should start.

Post #266 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:29 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 5m5 minutes ago

Andrea Bargnani (hamstring) remains out and the #Knicks power forward rotation remains in flux. More here: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blog ... ty=newyork …

it gets interesting if j. smith starts this game at the 4.

It sounds like he may get his chance. He has looked like our best all around big so far, so it makes sense he should start.

Just seems to make more sense that the older guy with the better jumper and more size should start. The younger energy guy, who may be coming into his own, should come off the bench and continue to grow from there.

So Jason starting, Acy off the bench is hopefully a nice combination for us.

Post #267 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:37 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Sadly, Novak probably has more trade value then Bargs. Toronto was able to shed his deal pretty easily. I don't think we could even get Diante Garrett for Bargs at this point even if it worked under the cba.

Dolan/Grunnie/Mills/CAA were pretty awful.

I agree that if the Knicks made trading Novak for a shorter contract a goal in and of itself they likely could have found a similar deal. Dropping that year of salary is still a merit of the deal even if it is more than offset by its demerits.

I am quite relieved that the CAA conflict of interest seems to have subsided under PMFJ. That 1-2-3 combo of

- overpaying the market for JR
- trading for Bargs
- and then signing Chris **** Smith for no goddamn reason

was embarrassing and just awful for morale.

Post #268 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:46 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Sadly, Novak probably has more trade value then Bargs. Toronto was able to shed his deal pretty easily. I don't think we could even get Diante Garrett for Bargs at this point even if it worked under the cba.

Dolan/Grunnie/Mills/CAA were pretty awful.

I agree that if the Knicks made trading Novak for a shorter contract a goal in and of itself they likely could have found a similar deal. Dropping that year of salary is still a merit of the deal even if it is more than offset by its demerits.

I am quite relieved that the CAA conflict of interest seems to have subsided under PMFJ. That 1-2-3 combo of

- overpaying the market for JR
- trading for Bargs
- and then signing Chris **** Smith for no goddamn reason

was embarrassing and just awful for morale.

Yeah, hopefully those days are done with. It will all be worth it if Phil can build something.

stuporman · Post #269 » by **stuporman** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:58 pm

The problem with starting JSMith and having Acy come off the bench is that makes Amar'e the back up center as well as it means having Amar'e and Barg on the court at the same time....

Acy starting makes JSmith the back up 5 and keeps the Barfamar'e duo from seeing the court that often.

Post #270 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:13 pm

stuporman wrote:The problem with starting JSMith and having Acy come off the bench is that makes Amar'e the back up center as well as it means having Amar'e and Barg on the court at the same time....

Acy starting makes JSmith the back up 5 and keeps the Barfamar'e duo from seeing the court that often.

If Dalembert/Acy/Jason Smith are all playing, then there's really no room for both Amare/Bargs anyway. In either situation at least one of Amare or Bargs should be out of the rotation.

Backup C might be the best position for either Amare or Bargs. They both seem to be more effective at C.

Meat · Post #271 » by **Meat** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:19 pm

stuporman wrote:The problem with starting JSMith and having Acy come off the bench is that makes Amar'e the back up center as well as it means having Amar'e and Barg on the court at the same time....

Acy starting makes JSmith the back up 5 and keeps the Barfamar'e duo from seeing the court that often.

if smith starts doesnt that make cole the backup c?

Post #272 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:25 pm

Meat wrote:
stuporman wrote:The problem with starting JSMith and having Acy come off the bench is that makes Amar'e the back up center as well as it means having Amar'e and Barg on the court at the same time....

Acy starting makes JSmith the back up 5 and keeps the Barfamar'e duo from seeing the court that often.

if smith starts doesnt that make cole the backup c?

probably not. Amare backup center. Acy backup 4

unless there is an injury or foul trouble or a trade I don't see Aldrich playing much.

I like Aldrich I wish he would get some minutes though

Post #273 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:48 pm

I'll add - Both Acy and Smith outperforming expectations in preseason creates one of those "good problems to have" doesn't it?

Post #274 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:50 pm

Capn'O wrote:I'll add - Both Acy and Smith outperforming expectations in preseason creates one of those "good problems to have" doesn't it?

anything to take minutes away from Amare I like

Post #275 » by **moocow007** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:05 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 5m5 minutes ago

Andrea Bargnani (hamstring) remains out and the #Knicks power forward rotation remains in flux. More here: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blog ... ty=newyork …

it gets interesting if j. smith starts this game at the 4.

It sounds like he may get his chance. He has looked like our best all around big so far, so it makes sense he should start.

Yeah agreed.

Post #276 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:06 pm

I'd like to see Cole get some run, but looks like he is down on the depth chart right now.

I'm sure he will get he will get his chance at some point though.

MetaKnick13 · Post #277 » by **MetaKnick13** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:36 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:I'd like to see Cole get some run, but looks like he is down on the depth chart right now.

I'm sure he will get he will get his chance at some point though.

I second this heavily. I really think our best bet at Center is to have Dalembert/Cole as the main two, with spot minutes for Amare/Smith/ Bargs (ugh if we have to). Two big bodies with some defensive and offensive skills, who won't command too much attention or diva behavior (cough Amare cough).

I think our best line up goes something like this:

Calderon/Prigioni/Larkin
Shumpert/Hardaway/JR Smith
Anthony/ JR Smith/Early
Smith/Acy/Amare
Dalembert/Aldrich/Smith/Amare

I know this won't be what happens, especially in the PF/C positions, but I can dream.

rajajackal · Post #278 » by **rajajackal** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:56 pm

MetaKnick13 wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:I'd like to see Cole get some run, but looks like he is down on the depth chart right now.

I'm sure he will get he will get his chance at some point though.

I second this heavily. I really think our best bet at Center is to have Dalembert/Cole as the main two, with spot minutes for Amare/Smith/ Bargs (ugh if we have to). Two big bodies with some defensive and offensive skills, who won't command too much attention or diva behavior (cough Amare cough).

I think our best line up goes something like this:

Calderon/Prigioni/Larkin
Shumpert/Hardaway/JR Smith
Anthony/ JR Smith/Early
Smith/Acy/Amare
Dalembert/Aldrich/Smith/Amare

I know this won't be what happens, especially in the PF/C positions, but I can dream.

Calderon/Prigioni/Larkin
Shumpert/JR Smith/THJr
Anthony/Acy/Early/*Outlaw
Amar'e/Smith/Acy
Aldrich/Bargnani/*Dalembert

what do you think of that lineup? i feel like outlaw and dalembert will be included in some sort of package with another piece at the trade deadline

Post #279 » by **j4remi** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:00 pm

MetaKnick13 wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:I'd like to see Cole get some run, but looks like he is down on the depth chart right now.

I'm sure he will get he will get his chance at some point though.

I second this heavily. I really think our best bet at Center is to have Dalembert/Cole as the main two, with spot minutes for Amare/Smith/ Bargs (ugh if we have to). Two big bodies with some defensive and offensive skills, who won't command too much attention or diva behavior (cough Amare cough).

I think our best line up goes something like this:

Calderon/Prigioni/Larkin
Shumpert/Hardaway/JR Smith
Anthony/ JR Smith/Early
Smith/Acy/Amare
Dalembert/Aldrich/Smith/Amare

I know this won't be what happens, especially in the PF/C positions, but I can dream.

I agree with most of this, but I don't think Acy/Aldrich in one line-up would work. So I'd give Amare the chance to be the back-up C at least early on. That would give a post option with offensive abilities to the second unit. I wouldn't mind at all though if both Bargs and Amare were on the outside of the rotation and made to earn back in.

knickabocker88 · Post #280 » by **knickabocker88** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:06 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:I'd like to see Cole get some run, but looks like he is down on the depth chart right now.

I'm sure he will get he will get his chance at some point though.

Fish said, Cole isn't in the doghouse ... he just wanted to get a good look at Jason Smith