Game Thread: Bucks vs Knicks @ Carmelo's Home. 7:30PM MSG

Greenie · Post #861 » by **Greenie** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:19 am

Knickstape1214 wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
WE DIDN'T CLOSE OUT ON SHOOTERS ALL GAME LONG!

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame shame on me. Fool me three times...fool me four times...fool me five times...fool me six times...

Shump will handle it

I can't tell if you are making fun of my love for Shump or if you truly believe that. If it's the first, rude. If it's the second, you're crazy

LOL

Zooropa · Post #862 » by **Zooropa** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:19 am

greenhughes wrote:
Besart19 wrote:
greenhughes wrote:who

Our future Hall of Famer PG

I thought that was Shump

How many times do you need to hear it? He's just not a two-way player.

Greenie · Post #863 » by **Greenie** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:20 am

BadNewsBarnes wrote:Quoting Howard Cosell: "Amare is now but a shadow of his former self".

Damn does he look lost out there....

Anyone thinking that he's being showcased?

24 million

Greenie · Post #864 » by **Greenie** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:20 am

Zooropa wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
Besart19 wrote:
Our future Hall of Famer PG

I thought that was Shump

How many times do you need to hear it? He's just not a two-way player.

blueNorange · Post #865 » by **blueNorange** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:21 am

so when do amares knees give up?

I say mid december

Post #866 » by **dakomish23** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:22 am

markdeez33 wrote:
Zooropa wrote:
markdeez33 wrote:
How am I insane? Amare played some of the best basketball of his life early in his Knicks tenure. When Melo got here he regressed greatly.

I think Amare is a shell of his former self now, but in 2010? He was a top 3 PF in the league and close to a top 10 player in the league.

I was a bit harsh, but I don't think he was on Melo's level at any point that year.

I definitely do. The Knicks also were a much better team before Melo got here. They actually moved the ball and ran the P n R very nicely. Once Melo got here everything went up in flames.

Not to say Melo isn't great, because he is, but our team was absolutely gutted. If it wasn't for Billups, we might've missed the playoffs LOL

Forgetting when Amare sat a lot towards the end of that 10-11 season and we went on a 7 game win streak to cement our playoff berth behind Melo lighting it up.

Amare had a great 1st yr. Even after Melo came he averaged 22 & 8 that year. Since then he's been one of the worst contracts in the NBA. It's not Amare's fault we're horrible. But he has not come close to earning that contract.

markdeez33 · Post #867 » by **markdeez33** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:23 am

Zooropa wrote:
markdeez33 wrote:
Zooropa wrote:
I was a bit harsh, but I don't think he was on Melo's level at any point that year.

I definitely do. The Knicks also were a much better team before Melo got here. They actually moved the ball and ran the P n R very nicely. Once Melo got here everything went up in flames.

Not to say Melo isn't great, because he is, but our team was absolutely gutted. If it wasn't for Billups, we might've missed the playoffs LOL

You're arguing two different points, though. The team was definitely better before Melo, because of what we lost in the trade (which you mentioned) and because Melo wasn't made for Pringles' offense. The other point, which I disagree with, was that Amar'e then was better than Melo now.

I think he was, for a brief moment in time. Amare was coming off a MONSTER playoff run the previous year in Phoenix, and when the Knicks got him, I was ecstatic. Obviously, Amare wasn't built to keep that up. And I knew that MAYBE he had 2 elite years left in him, but it doesn't even seem like he lasted that long. The long list of players that D'Antoni has ran into the ground is fascinating. It makes me wonder if he killed Kobe as well.

Steve Nash, Amare, Jeremy Lin - while they all seemingly flourished in D'Antoni's offense, it seems they also died from his offense, as well.

Zooropa · Post #868 » by **Zooropa** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:24 am

markdeez33 wrote:
Zooropa wrote:
markdeez33 wrote:
I definitely do. The Knicks also were a much better team before Melo got here. They actually moved the ball and ran the P n R very nicely. Once Melo got here everything went up in flames.

Not to say Melo isn't great, because he is, but our team was absolutely gutted. If it wasn't for Billups, we might've missed the playoffs LOL

You're arguing two different points, though. The team was definitely better before Melo, because of what we lost in the trade (which you mentioned) and because Melo wasn't made for Pringles' offense. The other point, which I disagree with, was that Amar'e then was better than Melo now.

I think he was, for a brief moment in time. Amare was coming off a MONSTER playoff run the previous year in Phoenix, and when the Knicks got him, I was ecstatic. Obviously, Amare wasn't built to keep that up. And I knew that MAYBE he had 2 elite years left in him, but it doesn't even seem like he lasted that long. The long list of players that D'Antoni has ran into the ground is fascinating. It makes me wonder if he killed Kobe as well.

Steve Nash, Amare, Jeremy Lin - while they all seemingly flourished in D'Antoni's offense, it seems they also died from his offense, as well.

Interesting point about Kobe.

Besart19 · Post #869 » by **Besart19** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:26 am

He played Kobe 48 minutes a lot of games toward the end of the season to clinch that #8 spot

Mr_Perfect · Post #870 » by **Mr_Perfect** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:26 am

Release Outlaw, keep Wear.

JR has to get the fck out of the rotation.

Greenie · Post #871 » by **Greenie** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:30 am

markdeez33 wrote:
Zooropa wrote:
markdeez33 wrote:
I definitely do. The Knicks also were a much better team before Melo got here. They actually moved the ball and ran the P n R very nicely. Once Melo got here everything went up in flames.

Not to say Melo isn't great, because he is, but our team was absolutely gutted. If it wasn't for Billups, we might've missed the playoffs LOL

You're arguing two different points, though. The team was definitely better before Melo, because of what we lost in the trade (which you mentioned) and because Melo wasn't made for Pringles' offense. The other point, which I disagree with, was that Amar'e then was better than Melo now.

I think he was, for a brief moment in time. Amare was coming off a MONSTER playoff run the previous year in Phoenix, and when the Knicks got him, I was ecstatic. Obviously, Amare wasn't built to keep that up. And I knew that MAYBE he had 2 elite years left in him, but it doesn't even seem like he lasted that long. The long list of players that D'Antoni has ran into the ground is fascinating. It makes me wonder if he killed Kobe as well.

Steve Nash, Amare, Jeremy Lin - while they all seemingly flourished in D'Antoni's offense, it seems they also died from his offense, as well.

Interesting.

D'Antoni is the Devil

markdeez33 · Post #872 » by **markdeez33** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:30 am

dakomish23 wrote:
markdeez33 wrote:
Zooropa wrote:
I was a bit harsh, but I don't think he was on Melo's level at any point that year.

I definitely do. The Knicks also were a much better team before Melo got here. They actually moved the ball and ran the P n R very nicely. Once Melo got here everything went up in flames.

Not to say Melo isn't great, because he is, but our team was absolutely gutted. If it wasn't for Billups, we might've missed the playoffs LOL

Forgetting when Amare sat a lot towards the end of that 10-11 season and we went on a 7 game win streak to cement our playoff berth behind Melo lighting it up.

Amare had a great 1st yr. Even after Melo came he averaged 22 & 8 that year. Since then he's been one of the worst contracts in the NBA. It's not Amare's fault we're horrible. But he has not come close to earning that contract.

Nah I haven't forgotten. Clearly, it was STAT's team to begin the season and Melo's to finish it. Amare was half dead by the end of the year, and he hasn't been the same since. I'm not sure if it's all of his injuries finally catching up to him or D'Antoni running him into the ground, or a combination of both.

Melo is one helluva player. I think he's probably the best scorer in the league aside from KD. He is the guy who has to lead us for the foreseeable future and I hope he's up to the task.

And yes, I agree, Amare's contact is absolutely terrible. But it was a necessary albatross. I'm not sure that Melo would've forced his way to NY if STAT didn't come here first. Maybe he would've, but I have my doubts.

Either way, it's sad that we've never gotten to see Melo & STAT together at their absolute best. Oh what could've been. Reminds me far too much of Patrick Ewing & Bernard King together

- I still don't know why the Knicks gave up on King and let him walk to Washington. Even after his injuries, he had 4 good years for the Bullets

Jstarks3 · Post #873 » by **Jstarks3** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:31 am

LifeLongKNICK wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
LifeLongKNICK wrote:
it means youre just a wack hater. were getting blown out. the d has been horrid tonight. yet youre still on barfs dyck?

hate on guy. its you.

get off my bra strap sir

tranny?

....

HarthorneWingo · Post #874 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:32 am

Besart19 wrote:Stat/Bargs
Acy/Smith
Melo/THJ
Shump/JR
Jose/Prigs

Dalembert/Smith
Stoudemire/Acy
Melo/JR
Calderon/Prigs
Shumpert/THJr

offense · Post #875 » by **offense** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:33 am

Mr_Perfect wrote:Release Outlaw, keep Wear.

JR has to get the fck out of the rotation.

It wouldn't surprise me if jr and barg are out by next year.

Greenie · Post #876 » by **Greenie** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:34 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Besart19 wrote:Stat/Bargs
Acy/Smith
Melo/THJ
Shump/JR
Jose/Prigs

Dalembert/Smith
Stoudemire/Acy
Melo/JR
Calderon/Prigs
Shumpert/THJr

STAT needs to play Center or he needs to be benched. It's one or the other.

Greenie · Post #877 » by **Greenie** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:34 am

Besart19 wrote:He played Kobe 48 minutes a lot of games toward the end of the season to clinch that #8 spot

Mike is an idiot

Dr. Detfink · Post #878 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:36 am

Wasn't a bad game. Thought the 4th was when the Knicks were tired and stopped playing the triangle. Tim Hardaway Jr looks ready. Calderon/Pablo or Larkin back court is intriguing. JR Smith plays his own system.

Post #879 » by **dakomish23** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:37 am

Cald / Larkin
Shump / THJ
Melo / CEarly
JSmith / Acy
Dalembert / Amare

Prigs as the 5th guard. Aldrich as the 5th big. JR '& Bargs break in case of emergency' only. Outlaw cut for Wear.

HarthorneWingo · Post #880 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:37 am

greenhughes wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Besart19 wrote:Stat/Bargs
Acy/Smith
Melo/THJ
Shump/JR
Jose/Prigs

Dalembert/Smith
Stoudemire/Acy
Melo/JR
Calderon/Prigs
Shumpert/THJr

STAT needs to play Center or he needs to be benched. It's one or the other.

Why?