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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#21 » by princeofpalace » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:06 pm

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Jennings/KCP/Smith/Monroe/Drummond since SVG thinks the potential of that lineup is sky high, or otherwise I think its Jennings/KCP/Butler/Monroe/Drummond.

Monroe has been our best big in preseason and SVG thinks he's been great in practice all well and likes his defensive effort. I doubt SVG penalizes Monroe's efforts by benching him especially when he pairs so well with Drummond. Since SVG thinks Smiths greatest asset is his passing ability, I think Smith will come off the bench as point forward, I would bet the idea is to pair Smith more with Augustin who can score but is not a great facilitator.

That said, with Smith/Monroe/Drummond gaining traction- I think it would be easier on egos if all 3 started and the pairing was limited to SVG's initial estimate of 6-9 minutes per half.
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#22 » by Snakebites » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:34 pm

Meeks being out damages an already extremely flimsy wing rotation, which is why this is being explored.

I'd be lying if I wasn't upset/worried about this.
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#23 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:56 pm

You guys are cracking me up.


SVG is not a coach that has 1 starting line up. He's going to watch film, find the next teams weakness and matchup players. Smith/Monroe/Dre lineup has worked in the past in spurts, where we just bullied the other team at the basket. If SMD is not working, you bet your left tit that SVG is going to make adjustments. I am not worried about our lineups and who's starting. We have a competent coach.
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#24 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:58 pm

Snakebites wrote:Meeks being out damages an already extremely flimsy wing rotation, which is why this is being explored.

I'd be lying if I wasn't upset/worried about this.


i think they really have confidence in Dinwiddie, however he's still going to go through rookie mistakes and adjustments. We have quite a bit of depth on our team, while it may not be the best lineup, its a lineup we can win with around our bigs and PG's
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#25 » by Cowology » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:59 pm

Snakebites wrote:Meeks being out damages an already extremely flimsy wing rotation, which is why this is being explored.

I'd be lying if I wasn't upset/worried about this.

I agree with the first part, but that is exactly why I'm not worried about the 2nd part. And I trust SVG to not stick with something that clearly does not work.

Once KCP/Meeks are back I think we'll look a lot different.

Still, I'd feel better if it were DJ and not Jennings rolling with the big guys. He could space the floor better while we ran the offense through Smith/Monroe. I guess we'll see how it goes. :-?
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#26 » by princeofpalace » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:34 am

Snakebites wrote:Meeks being out damages an already extremely flimsy wing rotation, which is why this is being explored.

I'd be lying if I wasn't upset/worried about this.


I actually don't think this is true. According to SVG having Meeks out is making it harder for SVG to evaluate the trio, not easier
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#27 » by ComboGuardCity » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:58 am

He also considers Monroe is Center..interesting


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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#28 » by treefi » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:44 am

Trade Josh Smith + 2nd round pick/Singler for a young & athletic 3-point shooting SF after the first two games of the season.
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#29 » by Lucidity » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:06 am

Stan has straightened us out more in 5 or 6 preseason games than the last 5 years of coaching combined so I'm riding with him on this decision.

He has reestablished Monroe as our #1 option and has established Drummond as 1b or #2. Josh has been a facilitator not a main scoring option thus far which has made us way better, same with Jennings even though Jennings won't stop shooting.

I think Stan understands how bad Josh is defensively at the 3, but again, I'm riding with him on whichever decision he makes. He has my trust.


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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#30 » by Notanoob » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:21 am

treefi wrote:Trade Josh Smith + 2nd round pick/Singler for a young & athletic 3-point shooting SF after the first two games of the season.

The list of teams with young SFs who are athletic and can shoot 3s is small, and pretty much none of them have any inclination to move them. And pretty much none of them want Smith. Furthermore, we'd have to take back garbage from most teams to make the salaries work.

Just give up on the idea of fixing our SF position this season. The best option is to wait for the draft, because this draft has a lot of potential fixes for us at the SF position, pretty much no matter where we end up in the draft. Whenever you get upset about our garbage SF rotation, just go to DraftExpress or watch some college basketball and you should feel better.
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#31 » by Redeemed » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:07 am

The trio was a hot mess for us in part because the former regime had no idea how to leverage the advantage they presented and minimize their weaknesses. I think SVG is capable of doing intelligently managing his personnel.

Someone raised a great point about how SVG has been selling Josh & Jennings on playing the role of facilitators. This could definitely work with well defined roles and a prepared team.
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#32 » by epheisey » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:06 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Meeks being out damages an already extremely flimsy wing rotation, which is why this is being explored.

I'd be lying if I wasn't upset/worried about this.


I actually don't think this is true. According to SVG having Meeks out is making it harder for SVG to evaluate the trio, not easier


I think you're just looking at the other side of the same coin. Meeks being out can influence both sides of that argument, depending on which way you look at it.

I personally think with Meeks out, our limited options at the 2 and 3 are what have forced SVG to make the big 3 lineup a reality for the time being.

But at this point waiting until Meeks returns is the only real answer we'll get.


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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#33 » by DetroitPistons » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:24 pm

Redeemed wrote:The trio was a hot mess for us in part because the former regime had no idea how to leverage the advantage they presented and minimize their weaknesses. I think SVG is capable of doing intelligently managing his personnel.

Someone raised a great point about how SVG has been selling Josh & Jennings on playing the role of facilitators. This could definitely work with well defined roles and a prepared team.


I agree. Cheeks basically just threw them out on the floor and said go. SVG will be much smarter and use all 3 of them properly so that they can play to their strengths.
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#34 » by Neptune » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:22 am

We were always going to start our big 3 together, that's nothing new. Just think of it like this, Smith(14mil) and Monroe are both too talented to come off the bench.
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#35 » by zeebneeb » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:09 am

This is so pointless. Hopefully the team doesn't come to rely on monroe. I hope by the trade deadline, we can trade for a replacement. This is basically a lost season. Screw it I guess. See how far you can get with it. Then start all over next year when Monroe leaves.
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#36 » by epheisey » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:13 am

DetroitPistons wrote:I agree. Cheeks basically just threw them out on the floor and said go. SVG will be much smarter and use all 3 of them properly so that they can play to their strengths.



All of which happen to be within the same 8-12 feet surrounding the basket....

There is no way I see this working well enough to result in more wins, better chemistry between any of the bigs, or better defense. Smith couldn't defend 3s last year, and went back to PF size for this year.

It's not that SVG can't make them perform better than Cheeks. Heck, I could do that. It's that it contributes nothing to this team now, or in the future.
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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#37 » by Pharaoh » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:38 am

Never underestimate the value of a legit coach

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Re: SVG considering starting Smith/Monroe/Drummond 

Post#38 » by Lucidity » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:38 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:He also considers Monroe is Center..interesting


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He's said 100 times Monroe is a PF/C, think Stan's exact quote was "he has the skill set to play both positions"


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