Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[Bravenewworld]

Maybe we can buy cheap on David West while he is hurt?

His injury isn't long term or anything. Doubt the Pacers are that shortsighted.

The guy considered retiring this season, he's not a good piece to go after unless he can be had for a few million. Trade wise its a mistake to give anything for him and as of now, the Hornets would have to trade for him.

[HornetJail]

Maybe we can buy cheap on David West while he is hurt?

His injury isn't long term or anything. Doubt the Pacers are that shortsighted.

The guy considered retiring this season, he's not a good piece to go after unless he can be had for a few million. Trade wise its a mistake to give anything for him and as of now, the Hornets would have to trade for him.

He's still pretty good though. I'd trade Marvin, Neal, and a heavily protected 1st. We're not signing anyone but own guys next summer anyway so it's not like his contract hurts us. He does solidify our place as a slow-paced team, but Al kind of makes that happen anyway. It comes down to whether he's better than Marvin and I can promise he is, as long as he stays healthy.

[Bravenewworld]

His injury isn't long term or anything. Doubt the Pacers are that shortsighted.

The guy considered retiring this season, he's not a good piece to go after unless he can be had for a few million. Trade wise its a mistake to give anything for him and as of now, the Hornets would have to trade for him.

He's still pretty good though. I'd trade Marvin, Neal, and a heavily protected 1st. We're not signing anyone but own guys next summer anyway so it's not like his contract hurts us. He does solidify our place as a slow-paced team, but Al kind of makes that happen anyway. It comes down to whether he's better than Marvin and I can promise he is, as long as he stays healthy.

You would be willing to trade all that for a guy who will probably retire next season, but you think Boozer would be horrible to go after if he could be had cheaply or as a side piece in a trade?

That trade would hurt more then help. In that scenario the depth of Marvin and Neal is more valuable then what West brings to the table.

[HornetJail]

The guy considered retiring this season, he's not a good piece to go after unless he can be had for a few million. Trade wise its a mistake to give anything for him and as of now, the Hornets would have to trade for him.

He's still pretty good though. I'd trade Marvin, Neal, and a heavily protected 1st. We're not signing anyone but own guys next summer anyway so it's not like his contract hurts us. He does solidify our place as a slow-paced team, but Al kind of makes that happen anyway. It comes down to whether he's better than Marvin and I can promise he is, as long as he stays healthy.

You would be willing to trade all that for a guy who will probably retire next season, but you think Boozer would be horrible to go after if he could be had cheaply or as a side piece in a trade?

That trade would hurt more then help. In that scenario the depth of Marvin and Neal is more valuable then what West brings to the table.

All that?

That's literally nothing. If Marvin is what I think he is, he's replaceable on the trade market for a 2nd round pick at a much lower salary. Neal is useless regardless of what he's done this preseason, and we could get Pargo to do 90% of what he does, and Clifford wouldn't feel obliged to bench MKG in crunch time for him. David West is old, but he's such a big upgrade from Marvin and gives us two legitimate big men. He's a guy who will mix it up in the paint on both ends of the floor, and will space our offense with range out to 18-20 feet (more consistent than Marvin in any case). West would particularly help us against the Millsaps, Loves, and Nene's of the Eastern Conference that we are bound to face- and would absolutely destroy us if Marvin was playing 4 against them. The 1st could top 20 protected- and we wouldn't lose anything of real value. We're not really desperate for young talent. I don't like trading 1sts for guys on the brink of retirement, but West doesn't play like a guy on the brink of retirement, and we have more than enough young talent sitting on the bench waiting for their chance as it is (Zeller, Biz, Vonleh, PJ, Taylor, Hairston).

Boozer is horrible though. He doesn't do anything better than Al, and is just a horrible, horrible defender. Even Clifford's defense wouldn't hold up with Boozer at the 4 next to Al.

[BlackOutBuzz]

I feel as though I need to AGAIN mention that Boozer CANNOT be traded this year, per amnesty rules.

That said I'm also not giving any type of protected first for West. I like West, wouldn't mind going after him. But at some point protections wear off, and you have to give up the ninth pick 2 years after the guy you acquired has gone. Don't be Detroit.

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[JDR720]

I just had a crazy idea to trade for Bargnani

[fatlever]

minus and1

[Liver_Pooty]

I just had a crazy idea to trade for Bargnani

Ewwww

[TheKingofSting]

That is definitely a crazy idea JDR.

[BeesWax]

I just had a crazy idea to trade for Bargnani

Crazy or terrible?

I vote terrible.

[BigSlam]

I just had a crazy idea to trade for Bargnani

He's in the last year of his contract. If we could squeeze something out of them, like a 1st round pick, why not?

Marv and Hendo
for
Bargs and their 2015 1st round pick

[HornetJail]

I just had a crazy idea to trade for Bargnani

He's in the last year of his contract. If we could squeeze something out of them, like a 1st round pick, why not?

Marv and Hendo
for
Bargs and their 2015 1st round pick

haha, they wouldn't touch that. Even with Hendo, NY doesn't touch the playoffs.

[JDR720]

I just had a crazy idea to trade for Bargnani

He's in the last year of his contract. If we could squeeze something out of them, like a 1st round pick, why not?

Marv and Hendo
for
Bargs and their 2015 1st round pick

I was actually thinking

Cody, Neal and Jeff for Barg, Cleanthony Early and a first round pick

Reason for Knicks: Get rid of Bargs and get a young PF to groom
Reason for CHA: Get a backup "stretch 4" to pair with Biz, a nice SF prospect and a pick that could be decent

Kemba/Roberts/Pargo
Lance/Gerald/PJ
MKG/Early
Marvin/Barg/Vonleh
Al/Biz/Maxiell

[TheKingofSting]

I would love to have Cleanthony just for his name but he does have game also.

[yosemiteben]

I don't really like any of those. I get why we'd do 3 though. Don't like 2 at all, I'm not a big Hairston fan but I'd rather keep his cheap rookie deal then rent Afflalo for one year.

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Agreed, my exact response as well.

[No-Man]

What about...

Neal, Taylor, Zeller, Henderson for Solomon Hill, David West.

Walker-Roberts
Stephenson-Hairston
MKG-Hill
West-Williams-Vonleh
Jefferson-Biyombo

[No-Man]

Even simpler, Hendo and Zeller for David West, makes more sense actually

Walker-Roberts-Pargo
Stephenson-Neal
MKG-Hairston-Taylor
West-Williams-Vonleh
Jefferson-Biyombo-Maxiell

[Bravenewworld]

What about...

Neal, Taylor, Zeller, Henderson for Solomon Hill, David West.

Walker-Roberts
Stephenson-Hairston
MKG-Hill
West-Williams-Vonleh
Jefferson-Biyombo

Contending teams are contending teams because of a solid starting 3 or 4 and then a 3-5 rotation off the bench.
Filling in an extra spot for one of those starting roles while giving up three depth players is silly and would not help.
Outside of a couple starters, Henderson and Neal should be untouchable. This is your depth experience and production, an absolute must.

[HornetJail]

What about...

Neal, Taylor, Zeller, Henderson for Solomon Hill, David West.

Walker-Roberts
Stephenson-Hairston
MKG-Hill
West-Williams-Vonleh
Jefferson-Biyombo

Contending teams are contending teams because of a solid starting 3 or 4 and then a 3-5 rotation off the bench.
Filling in an extra spot for one of those starting roles while giving up three depth players is silly and would not help.
Outside of a couple starters, Henderson and Neal should be untouchable. This is your depth experience and production, an absolute must.

What.

I like Hendo as much as the next guy on this board, but "untouchable" is definitely not the right word for them. I agree we don't want to empty our bench just to bring in someone like West (Fischalla's trade is too much), but "untouchable"? We can simply get creative with the rotation and rotate the starters in a way where there's always at least two of them on the floor at the same time if we absolutely had to. That way we never completely crater by rolling out Bismack/Vonleh/Taylor/Hairston/Roberts for a 6 minute stretch or something.

[Bravenewworld]

What about...

Neal, Taylor, Zeller, Henderson for Solomon Hill, David West.

Walker-Roberts
Stephenson-Hairston
MKG-Hill
West-Williams-Vonleh
Jefferson-Biyombo

Contending teams are contending teams because of a solid starting 3 or 4 and then a 3-5 rotation off the bench.
Filling in an extra spot for one of those starting roles while giving up three depth players is silly and would not help.
Outside of a couple starters, Henderson and Neal should be untouchable. This is your depth experience and production, an absolute must.

What.

I like Hendo as much as the next guy on this board, but "untouchable" is definitely not the right word for them. I agree we don't want to empty our bench just to bring in someone like West (Fischalla's trade is too much), but "untouchable"? We can simply get creative with the rotation and rotate the starters in a way where there's always at least two of them on the floor at the same time if we absolutely had to. That way we never completely crater by rolling out Bismack/Vonleh/Taylor/Hairston/Roberts for a 6 minute stretch or something.

If this team plans on contending then moving Henderson must be in a trade that replaces him AND brings in a starter or replaces him and brings in good depth at two other positions. For this team the idea of a 3 depth players for 1 trade is counterproductive unless that 1 is lebron, durant, cp3, etc.

So yes, unless its a 3 for 4 trade, 2 (plus pick) for 4 trade, etc. where the Hornets at least get a part time starting PF and do not lose production off the bench or increase production, he should be untouchable.