OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II

[MasterIchiro]

"We are like the Magic fans gloating about getting a top 10 pick for Afflalo only to end up shellshocked by a deal that brought them Fournier." Um...who on here is bragging about what MKG's value should be to other teams? I would say it's the opposite situation. We brag because we know everyone else thinks he's awful, not because we genuinely think other folks might agree with us on his value.

The reality is that the kid was a borderline elite defender in the NBA before the age of 20. That is the foundation of the love dome.

We can pat ourselves on the back all day long for selecting a defensive specialist at pick 2 but that doesn't make it a very strong foundation and the rest of the dome insulates MKG from a serious critique of his offense.

We all know Andre Drummond should've been the pick, but it's spilled milk now. You don't drink spilled milk, you clean it up, and pour another glass. I liked the MKG pick even though I was on record for wanting Drummond, because I knew Cho wasn't going to draft another raw big man one year after drafting Biyombo. I know you might want to bring up Bradley Beal, but I'd still take MKG over Beal in hindsight for what this team needed at the time. MKG has helped us (along with Clifford's tutelage) become a top tier defensive team, and I'm content with that right now as his jump shot improves to make him a offensive threat on top of it

It was a terrible use of financial resources. To put it in perspective - to account for scoring weakness and shooting weakness, a loss of Beal culminated in an offering of 16 million per for Gordon Hayward followed by a last minute rescue by Lance when he was set to sign with Dallas for 10 million contingent on the Parsons fiasco. The team would have been absolutely **** if Chandler had stayed in Houston. Proof the team was NOT well insulated from inability to improve last year's biggest weakness.

[mrknowitall215]

We could've drafted Thomas Robinson instead

Being that the majority of mocks had & suggested us to draft Robinson, I'm perfectly fine with MKG

[MasterIchiro]

We could've drafted Thomas Robinson instead

Being that the majority of mocks had & suggested us to draft Robinson, I'm perfectly fine with MKG

Well Robinson was a bust. MKG is not in the clear yet.

[MasterIchiro]

What does a player like Beal cost on the open market?

Just check out the contract Klay Thompson is demanding (and will receive).

Taking MKG over him was a colossal error.

[mrknowitall215]

We can pat ourselves on the back all day long for selecting a defensive specialist at pick 2 but that doesn't make it a very strong foundation and the rest of the dome insulates MKG from a serious critique of his offense.

We all know Andre Drummond should've been the pick, but it's spilled milk now. You don't drink spilled milk, you clean it up, and pour another glass. I liked the MKG pick even though I was on record for wanting Drummond, because I knew Cho wasn't going to draft another raw big man one year after drafting Biyombo. I know you might want to bring up Bradley Beal, but I'd still take MKG over Beal in hindsight for what this team needed at the time. MKG has helped us (along with Clifford's tutelage) become a top tier defensive team, and I'm content with that right now as his jump shot improves to make him a offensive threat on top of it

It was a terrible use of financial resources. To put it in perspective - to account for scoring weakness and shooting weakness, a loss of Beal culminated in an offering of 16 million per for Gordon Hayward followed by a last minute rescue by Lance when he was set to sign with Dallas for 10 million contingent on the Parsons fiasco. The team would have been absolutely **** if Chandler had stayed in Houston. Proof the team was NOT well insulated from inability to improve last year's biggest weakness.

I'll 75% of your post, omitting the Beal portion (I'm not a big fan of Beal --- yet)

[MasterIchiro]

Like Beal or not…not having him thrust Charlotte into the open market for scorers where shooters are getting max deals as evidenced by the Hayward match and the Thompson ask.

We are still vulnerable to that market and the financial costs/risks involved.

Passing on Beal in favor of MKG was financial suicide.

[yosemiteben]

Yet here we are with Lance and MKG. So let's talk about the future instead of lamenting tragedies that were avoided, shall we?

[Liver_Pooty]

I actually like MKG more than Beal, and Im not even close to being the biggest MKG supporter on these boards. There is just something about Beal that screams... "meh".

[JDR720]

Top 10 picks of 2012 draft

1-Davis (F*** the lottery)
2-MKG (elite (almost) defender and rebounder at SF)
3-Beal (Doesn't do anything besides shoot threes well)
4-Dion Waiters (nutcase, well probably)
5-Thomas Robinson (So many people thought we would draft him thankfully we didn't)
6-Lillard (we had Kemba...and he is a Kemba that shoots 3's instead of midrange shots)
7-Harrison Barnes (does nothing at an above average level)
8-Terrence Ross (athlete that is bleh but dont tell TOR fans that)
9-Drummond (steal of draft, i really doubt he was even on our radar since Biz had potential)
10-Austin Rivers (who? oh yea that scrub)

If we didn't pick MKG we would just have a hole at SF instead of SG (which is now a logjam of good players) so i am perfectly fine with the pick

[MasterIchiro]

I actually like MKG more than Beal, and Im not even close to being the biggest MKG supporter on these boards. There is just something about Beal that screams... "meh".

Yet there is something about Hayward that screams 16 million dollars, 5 years?

I don't like how Charlotte's offense can be exposed on the court unless the team returns to that market and the Beal's out there are really inflated because teams need them. Not having them costs you money and drains a disproportionate amount of resources that dilutes the rest of the roster.

I really pissed on Hairston based on summer league but I will prove to all here now present, I do change my mind. He has me hopeful. He can be a great 6th man.

[Liver_Pooty]

I actually like MKG more than Beal, and Im not even close to being the biggest MKG supporter on these boards. There is just something about Beal that screams... "meh".

Yet there is there something about Hayward that screams 16 million dollars, 5 years?

I don't like how Charlotte's offense can be exposed on the court unless the team returns to that market and the Beal's out there are really inflated because teams need them. Not having them costs you money and drains a disproportionate amount of resources that dilutes the rest of the roster.

I really pissed on Hairston based on summer league but I will prove to all here now present, I do change my mind. He has me hopeful. He can be a great 6th man.

Same with me in regards to Hairston. I still hold my doubts about him though, but he has my hopes very high.

[MasterIchiro]

I actually like MKG more than Beal, and Im not even close to being the biggest MKG supporter on these boards. There is just something about Beal that screams... "meh".

Yet there is there something about Hayward that screams 16 million dollars, 5 years?

I don't like how Charlotte's offense can be exposed on the court unless the team returns to that market and the Beal's out there are really inflated because teams need them. Not having them costs you money and drains a disproportionate amount of resources that dilutes the rest of the roster.

I really pissed on Hairston based on summer league but I will prove to all here now present, I do change my mind. He has me hopeful. He can be a great 6th man.

Same with me in regards to Hairston. I still hold my doubts about him though, but he has my hopes very high.

I wonder if we would be so bad if we paired last year's starting wings on the 2nd unit (Henderson/MKG) and more frequently played Hairston with the starters: Kemba - Hairston - Lance - Zeller - Al

[yosemiteben]

Yet there is there something about Hayward that screams 16 million dollars, 5 years?

I don't like how Charlotte's offense can be exposed on the court unless the team returns to that market and the Beal's out there are really inflated because teams need them. Not having them costs you money and drains a disproportionate amount of resources that dilutes the rest of the roster.

I really pissed on Hairston based on summer league but I will prove to all here now present, I do change my mind. He has me hopeful. He can be a great 6th man.

Same with me in regards to Hairston. I still hold my doubts about him though, but he has my hopes very high.

I wonder if we would be so bad if we paired last year's starting wings on the 2nd unit (Henderson/MKG) and more frequently played Hairston with the starters: Kemba - Hairston - Lance - Zeller - Al

Just out of curiosity, did you watch Hairston at UNC? He is not a great defender and has a maddening tendency to check out of games. I don't think he's ready to start and play a major role.

[MasterIchiro]

Same with me in regards to Hairston. I still hold my doubts about him though, but he has my hopes very high.

I wonder if we would be so bad if we paired last year's starting wings on the 2nd unit (Henderson/MKG) and more frequently played Hairston with the starters: Kemba - Hairston - Lance - Zeller - Al

Just out of curiosity, did you watch Hairston at UNC? He is not a great defender and has a maddening tendency to check out of games. I don't think he's ready to start and play a major role.

In one of the interviews on NBA.com/hornets Clifford alludes to Hairston being far from a finished product who "is still learning offense" but the tone is very positive and this is just a gut instinct but I sense Clifford sees promise in Hairston's coachability. He added many other positive comments regarding PJ's good size and aggressiveness. Maybe that's Clifford's positive attitude towards all players talking but given need for shooting in the lineup I would not be surprised if Clifford has at least toyed with the idea of Hairston/Lance and MKG/Henderson.

[JDR720]

MKG was 10/28 or 36% on midrange jumpshots this preseason

[MasterIchiro]

MKG was 10/28 or 36% on midrange jumpshots this preseason

He shot 29% outside the restricted area last season so that is a significant improvement.

[catch20two]

Shocking prediction, MKG is gonna be our 3rd leading scorer this season.

[MasterIchiro]

Shocking prediction, MKG is gonna be our 3rd leading scorer this season.

I say 4th or 5th depending on how much time Henderson gets.

Al
Kemba
Lance
MKG/Henderson

If Zeller starts, he could sneak in there.

[HornetJail]

Shocking prediction, MKG is gonna be our 3rd leading scorer this season.

Over Stephenson??? Nah.

Even if MKG makes major strides offensively, I see him as the 5th leading scorer. Hendo will probably put in his 13-14 points as the primary option off the bench. I'm not positive I see MKG scoring more than Marvin to be honest, but that's up in the air. Williams will shoot more and pass less than McBob, and McBob averaged 8.5ppg on the same percentages I expect Marvin will shoot.

[catch20two]

Shocking prediction, MKG is gonna be our 3rd leading scorer this season.

Over Stephenson??? Nah.

Even if MKG makes major strides offensively, I see him as the 5th leading scorer. Hendo will probably put in his 13-14 points as the primary option off the bench. I'm not positive I see MKG scoring more than Marvin to be honest, but that's up in the air. Williams will shoot more and pass less than McBob, and McBob averaged 8.5ppg on the same percentages I expect Marvin will shoot.

Yup, over Stephenson. That's why it's a shocking prediction because nobody sees it coming. I'm predicting that Stephenson and MKG are both gonna average around 13 points while Big Al average 21 and Kemba average about 19.