OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS)

[SwaggyB]

What did Rick prove by butchering them so violently compared to just offing them? Both scenarios would be a finality and not a half measure. I think that's why they got those weird looks.

That was a father overhearing a cannibal who considered eating Judith.

My friend, that doesn't answer my question! I know he went wild but I'm asking what does it prove.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand. I don't think it was meant to prove anything other than to the audience that this kind of **** would change people.

[Fat Kat]

That was a father overhearing a cannibal who considered eating Judith.

My friend, that doesn't answer my question! I know he went wild but I'm asking what does it prove.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand. I don't think it was meant to prove anything other than to the audience that this kind of **** would change people.

Exactly. Rick is actually coming to his senses. He should've killed Shane. Should've killed the Governor. How about the inmate that killed his wife.

"What does it prove?" How is that a question. He was simply fed up and pissed off.

[Meat]

I do think it was STUPID for Glen and Carol to go running off without telling anyone about where they were going.

They didn't have a choice. They were chasing the vehicle that kidnapped Beth last season.

I'm curious as to who that person was hiding behind the bush at the end of the episode.

i think it's noah(tyler james williams) next week is a beth episode and he's related to the hospital she's in(based on the game)

[frogfood]

That was a father overhearing a cannibal who considered eating Judith.

My friend, that doesn't answer my question! I know he went wild but I'm asking what does it prove.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand. I don't think it was meant to prove anything other than to the audience that this kind of **** would change people.

And again, you're ignoring the original question which was why Glenn and Maggie looked put off by the extreme violence. That's 3x my dude! You keep ignoring that. Why? Context, please follow.

I asked, what did Rick prove by butchering Gareth instead of just executing him with the gun. What message is he sending out? Will he devolve into someone like Gareth? Maybe that's why Glenn and Maggie were like uhhh.

You keep going "well he was mad ok, what more is there to it?" to which I never questioned.

[AmazingJason]

So Glenn goes off with the Washington crew along with Maggie?

Wonder if they'll push the Glenn-Maggie-Tara love triangle.

[frogfood]

So Glenn goes off with the Washington crew along with Maggie?

Wonder if they'll push the Glenn-Maggie-Tara love triangle.

They've been definitely hinting at it.

[AmazingJason]

Discuss

I guess that's my problem with the Walking Dead story. There isn't much of an arc or plot to it. Interchangeable parts / characters who chug along. No one wins, everyone loses. Very nihilisitc. What is the point other than watching people get butchered, while cool as hell, cannot be the major/only selling point?

EDIT: I also watch Homeland and Boardwalk but I always watch TWD first off my DVR if football is on. The former two are better shows for sure but I do enjoy the hell out of TWD despite the flaws I stated.

Obviously, they'll all meet up in Washington, implement the cure to the zombie virus, and The Walking Dead will end this season on a happy note.

[Matty]

Chris Rock Jr is in the show? ah hell yea!

[steamed hams]

I'll be disappointed if we don't get a "COOOOORRRRAAAAAAAAAL!" by next episode.

[frogfood]

I'll be disappointed if we don't get a "COOOOORRRRAAAAAAAAAL!" by next episode.

I'm disappointed after every week because CORL hasn't been eviscerated by a pack of zombies yet.

[Meat]

So Glenn goes off with the Washington crew along with Maggie?

Wonder if they'll push the Glenn-Maggie-Tara love triangle.

or go poly, if they're trying to stick to the comics more they need to throw in some mff relationships.

[frogfood]

So Glenn goes off with the Washington crew along with Maggie?

Wonder if they'll push the Glenn-Maggie-Tara love triangle.

or go poly, if they're trying to stick to the comics more they need to throw in some mff relationships.

Daryl "nah, it's cool...I'm gonna hang with Gramma Carol here"

edit: unless we get a Daryl, Carol and Beth mff. Playing the long con.

[SwaggyB]

My friend, that doesn't answer my question! I know he went wild but I'm asking what does it prove.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand. I don't think it was meant to prove anything other than to the audience that this kind of **** would change people.

And again, you're ignoring the original question which was why Glenn and Maggie looked put off by the extreme violence. That's 3x my dude! You keep ignoring that. Why? Context, please follow.

I asked, what did Rick prove by butchering Gareth instead of just executing him with the gun. What message is he sending out? Will he devolve into someone like Gareth? Maybe that's why Glenn and Maggie were like uhhh.

You keep going "well he was mad ok, what more is there to it?" to which I never questioned.

I guess I was unclear on the question, I thought you were questioning what he proved by violently killing Gareth. I see the bit referencing Glenn and Maggie now, but still not anywhere that your question involved them. I'm just trying to figure out what you're getting at. Yes, he could have just shot Gareth in the head, but he didn't, I don't think there is some hidden message he's attempting to send out to anyone.

[frogfood]

I guess I was unclear on the question, I thought you were questioning what he proved by violently killing Gareth. I see the bit referencing Glenn and Maggie now, but still not anywhere that your question involved them. I'm just trying to figure out what you're getting at. Yes, he could have just shot Gareth in the head, but he didn't, I don't think there is some hidden message he's attempting to send out to anyone.

I'm questioning it from the POV of Rick. And, it prob wasn't intentional but there is a message being sent out though. I mean, Rick devolving from a humane, voice-of-reason, cookie cutter protagonist into an almost feral being has been his arc. Him butchering the Termites was definitely deliberate - Glenn and Maggie's reaction is a reflection of how they perceive him now relative to the humane, VOR type leader we saw in season 1. So, Rick may have "proved" he is becoming a maniac for better (survival) or worse (he is losing his humanity and his crew members).

Practically speaking (in the zombie universe), butchering someone would be a good way to send a message to your rival, to install fear. But they were the last of the Termites, so the only thing he did was shake up 3 of the crewmembers. I want to reiterate I have no problem with where Rick's character is going.

[AmazingJason]

I guess I was unclear on the question, I thought you were questioning what he proved by violently killing Gareth. I see the bit referencing Glenn and Maggie now, but still not anywhere that your question involved them. I'm just trying to figure out what you're getting at. Yes, he could have just shot Gareth in the head, but he didn't, I don't think there is some hidden message he's attempting to send out to anyone.

I'm questioning it from the POV of Rick. And, it prob wasn't intentional but there is a message being sent out though. I mean, Rick devolving from a humane, voice-of-reason, cookie cutter protagonist into an almost feral being has been his arc. Him butchering the Termites was definitely deliberate - Glenn and Maggie's reaction is a reflection of how they perceive him now relative to the humane, VOR type leader we saw in season 1. So, Rick may have "proved" he is becoming a maniac for better (survival) or worse (he is losing his humanity and his crew members).

Practically speaking (in the zombie universe), butchering someone would be a good way to send a message to your rival, to install fear. But they were the last of the Termites, so the only thing he did was shake up 3 of the crewmembers. I want to reiterate I have no problem with where Rick's character is going.

For a moment, I thought that he would be like good-ole-Rick and strike up a deal with Gareth and his crew to somehow work together with him. Thank goodness that didn't happen.

[Meat]

So Glenn goes off with the Washington crew along with Maggie?

Wonder if they'll push the Glenn-Maggie-Tara love triangle.

or go poly, if they're trying to stick to the comics more they need to throw in some mff relationships.

Daryl "nah, it's cool...I'm gonna hang with Gramma Carol here"

edit: unless we get a Daryl, Carol and Beth mff. Playing the long con.

carol was a freak in the comics, tyrese slid up in that and she was trying to share lori with rick

[SwaggyB]

I guess I was unclear on the question, I thought you were questioning what he proved by violently killing Gareth. I see the bit referencing Glenn and Maggie now, but still not anywhere that your question involved them. I'm just trying to figure out what you're getting at. Yes, he could have just shot Gareth in the head, but he didn't, I don't think there is some hidden message he's attempting to send out to anyone.

I'm questioning it from the POV of Rick. And, it prob wasn't intentional but there is a message being sent out though. I mean, Rick devolving from a humane, voice-of-reason, cookie cutter protagonist into an almost feral being has been his arc. Him butchering the Termites was definitely deliberate - Glenn and Maggie's reaction is a reflection of how they perceive him now relative to the humane, VOR type leader we saw in season 1. So, Rick may have "proved" he is becoming a maniac for better (survival) or worse (he is losing his humanity and his crew members).

Practically speaking (in the zombie universe), butchering someone would be a good way to send a message to your rival, to install fear. But they were the last of the Termites, so the only thing he did was shake up 3 of the crewmembers. I want to reiterate I have no problem with where Rick's character is going.

On the plus side, at least he proved to them he stays true to his word? He promised Gareth he'd use his red handled machete to kill him.

I think I see where you're coming from now, and I think we're on the same page. I agree that it would certainly frighten those in the group that aren't quite as far down the rabbit hole as Rick, and perhaps that's why Glenn and Maggie jumped at the opportunity to part ways for the time being. Tyrese and Gabriel also looked a bit horrified and that may come back to Rick in a negative way.

The writers are definitely intending to show what lengths an apocalyptic scenario such as this could drive normal, good-natured people towards.

[SwaggyB]

For a moment, I thought that he would be like good-ole-Rick and strike up a deal with Gareth and his crew to somehow work together with him. Thank goodness that didn't happen.

Were you basing this off the pre-season trailers as well? They certainly made it seem like Gareth would end up on the adventure to Washington with them. Sooooo glad that didn't happen.. would have basically proven they'd learned nothing after the governor.

[frogfood]

or go poly, if they're trying to stick to the comics more they need to throw in some mff relationships.

Daryl "nah, it's cool...I'm gonna hang with Gramma Carol here"

edit: unless we get a Daryl, Carol and Beth mff. Playing the long con.

carol was a freak in the comics, tyrese slid up in that and she was trying to share lori with rick

Non-spoiler comic question. How much of a dweeb was Eugene portrayed in in the comics? I can't imagine any rational person seeing that mongoloid with that mullet and that lvl of Asperger's go yea, that guy is the key to the cure, let's help.

The writers are definitely intending to show what lengths an apocalyptic scenario such as this could drive normal, good-natured people towards.

Agreed. I am glad Rick's going buck wild.

[AmazingJason]

For a moment, I thought that he would be like good-ole-Rick and strike up a deal with Gareth and his crew to somehow work together with him. Thank goodness that didn't happen.

Were you basing this off the pre-season trailers as well? They certainly made it seem like Gareth would end up on the adventure to Washington with them. Sooooo glad that didn't happen.. would have basically proven they'd learned nothing after the governor.

I didn't watch the pre-season trailers because I heard they showed too much. But I did read from this thread about the possibility of Gareth on the adventure to Washington based on those trailers. That and Rick's M.O. of being a stalling pussy led me to think for a moment that he wouldn't kill him.