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OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS)

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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#181 » by AmazingJason » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:40 pm

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Daryl "nah, it's cool...I'm gonna hang with Gramma Carol here"

edit: unless we get a Daryl, Carol and Beth mff. Playing the long con.

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carol was a freak in the comics, tyrese slid up in that and she was trying to share lori with rick


Non-spoiler comic question. How much of a dweeb was Eugene portrayed in in the comics? I can't imagine any rational person seeing that mongoloid with that mullet and that lvl of Asperger's go yea, that guy is the key to the cure, let's help.

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The writers are definitely intending to show what lengths an apocalyptic scenario such as this could drive normal, good-natured people towards.


Agreed. I am glad Rick's going buck wild.


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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#182 » by Proven_Winner » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:41 pm

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I guess I was unclear on the question, I thought you were questioning what he proved by violently killing Gareth. I see the bit referencing Glenn and Maggie now, but still not anywhere that your question involved them. I'm just trying to figure out what you're getting at. Yes, he could have just shot Gareth in the head, but he didn't, I don't think there is some hidden message he's attempting to send out to anyone.


I'm questioning it from the POV of Rick. And, it prob wasn't intentional but there is a message being sent out though. I mean, Rick devolving from a humane, voice-of-reason, cookie cutter protagonist into an almost feral being has been his arc. Him butchering the Termites was definitely deliberate - Glenn and Maggie's reaction is a reflection of how they perceive him now relative to the humane, VOR type leader we saw in season 1. So, Rick may have "proved" he is becoming a maniac for better (survival) or worse (he is losing his humanity and his crew members).

Practically speaking (in the zombie universe), butchering someone would be a good way to send a message to your rival, to install fear. But they were the last of the Termites, so the only thing he did was shake up 3 of the crewmembers. I want to reiterate I have no problem with where Rick's character is going.


On the plus side, at least he proved to them he stays true to his word? He promised Gareth he'd use his red handled machete to kill him.

I think I see where you're coming from now, and I think we're on the same page. I agree that it would certainly frighten those in the group that aren't quite as far down the rabbit hole as Rick, and perhaps that's why Glenn and Maggie jumped at the opportunity to part ways for the time being. Tyrese and Gabriel also looked a bit horrified and that may come back to Rick in a negative way.

The writers are definitely intending to show what lengths an apocalyptic scenario such as this could drive normal, good-natured people towards.


I always thought he brutally murdered them to show he's not effing around anymore. Rick is notorious for letting guys go and it comes back to haunt him.

I think he's finally learning that you can't save everyone. Some people are just not going to change and will do whatever it takes to screw you over. So at least in their world you have to sort of take advantage when you can .
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#183 » by CoolKids » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:16 pm

frogfood wrote:
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Dr. Detfink wrote:Was anyone a little "Oh come on..." when Glenn, Maggie were stand off-ish after Rick basically went RAID on the Termites?


Yeah, Rick was right though. All he had to do was bring up Exhibit A (the Governor) for why there should be "no half measures." Perhaps a cameo speech on the subject by Mike Ehrmantrout would have changed Glenn's perspective? lol


What did Rick prove by butchering them so violently compared to just offing them? Both scenarios would be a finality and not a half measure. I think that's why they got those weird looks.

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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#185 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:17 pm

Pretty sure Maggie and Glenn go with the other group so horrific stuff can happen to them and we can get the next story arc, such as they are.

I think folks miss the point on the story; the story is largely will Rick fall from grace and if/when he does, why, and is it justified and what does it mean?

The GN reads like one long psychological/philosophical examination into Rick/man - when do we try to retain our "civilized" side and when is it just to go all apesh*t. He basically falls, recovers, falls, recovers, and meets increasingly more batsh*t crazy people along the way. I dunno, I got up into around the 135# and sort of lost steam reading it
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#186 » by Butch718 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:20 pm

That scene with Rick just showed the kind of savagery that some members of the group are willing to partake in order to protect their family and loved ones. Was it over the top? Yes. But you're talking about a group that has gone through hell, and part of Michonne's, Sasha's, Rick's and Abraham's reactions had to do with having enough of dealing with all these people that keep endangering their lives and causing pain in their hearts. The key thing is that they're able to turn that "violent" switch on and off for the time being. It's going to be interesting to see just how far Rick is going to go with his actions. It's going to be interesting seeing him rationalize certain situations. The challenge for him is trying to keep a certain balance of maintaining his sanity, and being able to turn into that savage in order to protect his family.

Guys like Tyreese are not equipped to deal with the world they live in. He let a guy live after he threatened to kill baby Judith. In fact, I hope Cutty is one of the next to go because his character is just so damn soft. This isn't the beginning of the apocalypse. He should be a bit hardened by now like the rest of the group. Do what it takes to survive otherwise you're just going to be putting people in danger around you.
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#187 » by frogfood » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:23 pm

Butch718 wrote:That scene with Rick just showed the kind of savagery that some members of the group are willing to partake in order to protect their family and loved ones. Was it over the top? Yes. But you're talking about a group that has gone through hell, and part of Michonne's, Sasha's, Rick's and Abraham's reactions had to do with having enough of dealing with all these people that keep endangering their lives and causing pain in their hearts.

Guys like Tyreese are not equipped to deal with the world they live in. He let a guy live after he threatened to kill baby Judith. In fact, I hope Cutty is one of the next to go because his character is just so damn soft. This isn't the beginning of the apocalypse. He should be a bit hardened by now like the rest of the group. Do what it takes to survive otherwise you're just going to be putting people in danger around you.


Tyreese is in the sub 1% of the pre-zombie apoc population that is still alive while such hardliners like Gareth, Shane and the Gov are dead!
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#188 » by Butch718 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:26 pm

frogfood wrote:
Butch718 wrote:That scene with Rick just showed the kind of savagery that some members of the group are willing to partake in order to protect their family and loved ones. Was it over the top? Yes. But you're talking about a group that has gone through hell, and part of Michonne's, Sasha's, Rick's and Abraham's reactions had to do with having enough of dealing with all these people that keep endangering their lives and causing pain in their hearts.

Guys like Tyreese are not equipped to deal with the world they live in. He let a guy live after he threatened to kill baby Judith. In fact, I hope Cutty is one of the next to go because his character is just so damn soft. This isn't the beginning of the apocalypse. He should be a bit hardened by now like the rest of the group. Do what it takes to survive otherwise you're just going to be putting people in danger around you.


Tyreese is in the sub 1% of the pre-zombie apoc population that is still alive while such hardliners like Gareth, Shane and the Gov are dead!


I don't think he would be alive if he weren't surrounded by the likes of Rick. Hypothetically, I think he would have died not too shortly after the Woodbury disaster had he not joined the group. Or at least his sister would have been dead partly to his inability to do what's necessary.
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#189 » by moocow007 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:48 pm

I would have been right in the front of the line to take out all that pent up frustration out of Gareth and his crew. After I got done with them it would have just all been one big Chef Boyardee potluck feast.
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#190 » by Proven_Winner » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:17 pm

Butch718 wrote:That scene with Rick just showed the kind of savagery that some members of the group are willing to partake in order to protect their family and loved ones. Was it over the top? Yes. But you're talking about a group that has gone through hell, and part of Michonne's, Sasha's, Rick's and Abraham's reactions had to do with having enough of dealing with all these people that keep endangering their lives and causing pain in their hearts. The key thing is that they're able to turn that "violent" switch on and off for the time being. It's going to be interesting to see just how far Rick is going to go with his actions. It's going to be interesting seeing him rationalize certain situations. The challenge for him is trying to keep a certain balance of maintaining his sanity, and being able to turn into that savage in order to protect his family.

Guys like Tyreese are not equipped to deal with the world they live in. He let a guy live after he threatened to kill baby Judith. In fact, I hope Cutty is one of the next to go because his character is just so damn soft. This isn't the beginning of the apocalypse. He should be a bit hardened by now like the rest of the group. Do what it takes to survive otherwise you're just going to be putting people in danger around you.


Well not too long ago we saw him pull a Macgruber throat rip with his teeth.
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#191 » by kane » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:20 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4GAs9TJVjM[/youtube]

did the season premier trailer lie to us or was the scene edited to "TAINTED MEAT?"


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at around :50 seconds of the trainer when Gareth was talking to bob about going to washington, my guess is bob was begging for his life and tryed to use the news of a possible cure

and boy am i glad i went into this season thinking they would team up
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#192 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:26 am

"Andrea" (Laurie Holden) is being interviewed by Lawrence O'Donnell (MSNBC) re her helping child sex slaves escape Columbia. Real life hero shyt there.
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#193 » by Dr. Detfink » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:34 am

Can we all agree Gareth was a complete twat who got what he deserved.?

Why would you go after the group that nearly killed every one? I mean, there was no end game. They looked so stupid, falling for the fake out.

Any time you are working with someone who DIDN'T check Bob for bites thoroughly...I mean, right there...it goes to show that the Terminus people did NOT think this through....and finally met their betters in a dog eat dog society.
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#194 » by Meat » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:35 am

Butch718 wrote:That scene with Rick just showed the kind of savagery that some members of the group are willing to partake in order to protect their family and loved ones. Was it over the top? Yes. But you're talking about a group that has gone through hell, and part of Michonne's, Sasha's, Rick's and Abraham's reactions had to do with having enough of dealing with all these people that keep endangering their lives and causing pain in their hearts. The key thing is that they're able to turn that "violent" switch on and off for the time being. It's going to be interesting to see just how far Rick is going to go with his actions. It's going to be interesting seeing him rationalize certain situations. The challenge for him is trying to keep a certain balance of maintaining his sanity, and being able to turn into that savage in order to protect his family.

Guys like Tyreese are not equipped to deal with the world they live in. He let a guy live after he threatened to kill baby Judith. In fact, I hope Cutty is one of the next to go because his character is just so damn soft. This isn't the beginning of the apocalypse. He should be a bit hardened by now like the rest of the group. Do what it takes to survive otherwise you're just going to be putting people in danger around you.

he didnt let him go, he thought he had beaten him to death. the actor himself confirmed this
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Post#195 » by Meat » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:37 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:Can we all agree Gareth was a complete twat who got what he deserved.?

Why would you go after the group that nearly killed every one? I mean, there was no end game. They looked so stupid, falling for the fake out.

Any time you are working with someone who DIDN'T check Bob for bites thoroughly...I mean, right there...it goes to show that the Terminus people did NOT think this through....and finally met their betters in a dog eat dog society.

they were never a big threat, in the grand scheme of comic book villains they were a joke. they're only here to show that the brutality is going to be ramped up from now on
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Post#196 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:58 am

Meat wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:Can we all agree Gareth was a complete twat who got what he deserved.?

Why would you go after the group that nearly killed every one? I mean, there was no end game. They looked so stupid, falling for the fake out.

Any time you are working with someone who DIDN'T check Bob for bites thoroughly...I mean, right there...it goes to show that the Terminus people did NOT think this through....and finally met their betters in a dog eat dog society.

they were never a big threat, in the grand scheme of comic book villains they were a joke. they're only here to show that the brutality is going to be ramped up from now on


... and the fact that now even the living are eating the living.
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#197 » by Butch718 » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:10 am

Meat wrote:
Butch718 wrote:That scene with Rick just showed the kind of savagery that some members of the group are willing to partake in order to protect their family and loved ones. Was it over the top? Yes. But you're talking about a group that has gone through hell, and part of Michonne's, Sasha's, Rick's and Abraham's reactions had to do with having enough of dealing with all these people that keep endangering their lives and causing pain in their hearts. The key thing is that they're able to turn that "violent" switch on and off for the time being. It's going to be interesting to see just how far Rick is going to go with his actions. It's going to be interesting seeing him rationalize certain situations. The challenge for him is trying to keep a certain balance of maintaining his sanity, and being able to turn into that savage in order to protect his family.

Guys like Tyreese are not equipped to deal with the world they live in. He let a guy live after he threatened to kill baby Judith. In fact, I hope Cutty is one of the next to go because his character is just so damn soft. This isn't the beginning of the apocalypse. He should be a bit hardened by now like the rest of the group. Do what it takes to survive otherwise you're just going to be putting people in danger around you.

he didnt let him go, he thought he had beaten him to death. the actor himself confirmed this


I don't know if I should take the actor's interpretation of that scene as official cannon.

But for discussions sake let's say that's true. If Tyreese actually thought he had beat that guy to death, that's a pretty awful assumption and careless mistake on his part. I just thought the whole scene where he prevented Carol from seeing his body showed me that he was hiding something.

Anyway, I still don't think he's mentally equipped to deal in the world they live in. He reminds me of Dale somewhat. And that's rather annoying to see, even though he serves as a contrast in mentality to the rest of the group.
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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#198 » by Butch718 » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:20 am

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Butch718 wrote:That scene with Rick just showed the kind of savagery that some members of the group are willing to partake in order to protect their family and loved ones. Was it over the top? Yes. But you're talking about a group that has gone through hell, and part of Michonne's, Sasha's, Rick's and Abraham's reactions had to do with having enough of dealing with all these people that keep endangering their lives and causing pain in their hearts. The key thing is that they're able to turn that "violent" switch on and off for the time being. It's going to be interesting to see just how far Rick is going to go with his actions. It's going to be interesting seeing him rationalize certain situations. The challenge for him is trying to keep a certain balance of maintaining his sanity, and being able to turn into that savage in order to protect his family.

Guys like Tyreese are not equipped to deal with the world they live in. He let a guy live after he threatened to kill baby Judith. In fact, I hope Cutty is one of the next to go because his character is just so damn soft. This isn't the beginning of the apocalypse. He should be a bit hardened by now like the rest of the group. Do what it takes to survive otherwise you're just going to be putting people in danger around you.


Well not too long ago we saw him pull a Macgruber throat rip with his teeth.


I'm not purely referring to his violent streaks. But also his reasons for using that kind of savagery to justify that kind of brutality. I want to see how far he'll take his actions in the future in order to protect his family. Once upon a time the Governor and Garrett were good people. It would be interesting to see if Rick ended up on a similar path of completely losing his moral compass or at the very least flirting with it.
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Post#199 » by GettinitDone » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:05 am

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kane wrote:alot of people joke about this is the show that never ends, but at some point they will end it i know the comics are still going and the show has good ratings also the cast is very replaceable ... so i guess my question is how many seasons do you think this show will last? theoretically this could be like the Simpsons and just go on forever

10 seasons. I think beyond that it will get repetitive. The show has been loosely following the comics nothing has been exact.


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Re: OT: THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 5 (NO SPOILERS) 

Post#200 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:21 am

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What did Rick prove by butchering them so violently compared to just offing them? Both scenarios would be a finality and not a half measure. I think that's why they got those weird looks.


That was a father overhearing a cannibal who considered eating Judith.


My friend, that doesn't answer my question! I know he went wild but I'm asking what does it prove.


It was cathartic rage release. There was no point to prove. The killing was to feel good. That's all.

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