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Re: Is the hate getting annoying or....?? 

Post#21 » by og15 » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:12 pm

DLaren wrote:It hurts less when you realize they're right....

Our team is over-exposed in the media and no one on this team has earned that exposure -- that's why we get the hate that we get. Based on our accomplishments, we're akin to the Atlanta Hawks (and nobody talks about the Atlanta Hawks), yet we get covered in the media as if we've been in or won a few championships.

The media says we have the best PG in the league and the best PF in the league -- a combo that should be Finals-bound (i.e. Stockton/Malone, GP/Kemp)-- yet we barely escaped the 1ST round and collapsed in the 2ND. We may have the best PG & PF on paper, but they're not passing the eye-ball test; so people begin to look elsewhere and scoff when the Clippers are mentioned.

Every season that passes without a WCF appearance the hate will intensify. With the west being wide-open this year (Durant injury/Spurs fatigue), the Clippers would be wise to take this opportunity to get that monkey off of their backs.

First 15 seasons combined of Payton/Kemp and Stockton/Malone after each player was All-Star level gave 2 finals appearances, 4 WCF appearances and 9 seasons out in the first or second round.

Payton/Kemp: Early success getting to WCF in first 55+ win season. Total of five 55+ win seasons gave 1 finals and 1 WCF

Stockton/Malone: After both became All-Star level players took 5 seasons to get past the second round. It then took another 5 seasons after that to make their first NBA finals. So 10 seasons yielded 1 finals appearance in season 10 and 3 WCF.

Paul/Griffin: Total time together = 3 seasons, 2 second round, 1 first round. Stockton and Malone had gotten past the first round once in that same span as a combo.

People are comparing what other guys did in 5-6 seasons or 10 seasons with a good team to the success of this team in 3 seasons. A final product is being compared to something in its beginnings. It doesn't really make sense, though I acknowledge that the many, many fans and analysts tend to look at things in the most shallow, simplistic and reductionist way and not look at depth and context of what is happening.

The idea that you just get two top players at their positions and it is yearly WCF or better doesn't make sense. Houston has the best C and the best SG in the league right? Yao/McGrady were at worst the second best C and second best SG, and even in the years they were both healthy they didn't go anywhere. I'd rather have the 2nd best SF than any other best at ____ position player in the league. For a lot of the 90's I'd rather have the 2nd or 3rd best C than the best PF.
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Re: Is the hate getting annoying or....?? 

Post#22 » by Quake Griffin » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:46 pm

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DLaren wrote:It hurts less when you realize they're right....

Our team is over-exposed in the media and no one on this team has earned that exposure -- that's why we get the hate that we get. Based on our accomplishments, we're akin to the Atlanta Hawks (and nobody talks about the Atlanta Hawks), yet we get covered in the media as if we've been in or won a few championships.

The media says we have the best PG in the league and the best PF in the league -- a combo that should be Finals-bound (i.e. Stockton/Malone, GP/Kemp)-- yet we barely escaped the 1ST round and collapsed in the 2ND. We may have the best PG & PF on paper, but they're not passing the eye-ball test; so people begin to look elsewhere and scoff when the Clippers are mentioned.

Every season that passes without a WCF appearance the hate will intensify. With the west being wide-open this year (Durant injury/Spurs fatigue), the Clippers would be wise to take this opportunity to get that monkey off of their backs.

First 15 seasons combined of Payton/Kemp and Stockton/Malone after each player was All-Star level gave 2 finals appearances, 4 WCF appearances and 9 seasons out in the first or second round.

Payton/Kemp: Early success getting to WCF in first 55+ win season. Total of five 55+ win seasons gave 1 finals and 1 WCF

Stockton/Malone: After both became All-Star level players took 5 seasons to get past the second round. It then took another 5 seasons after that to make their first NBA finals. So 10 seasons yielded 1 finals appearance in season 10 and 3 WCF.

Paul/Griffin: Total time together = 3 seasons, 2 second round, 1 first round. Stockton and Malone had gotten past the first round once in that same span as a combo.

People are comparing what other guys did in 5-6 seasons or 10 seasons with a good team to the success of this team in 3 seasons. A final product is being compared to something in its beginnings. It doesn't really make sense, though I acknowledge that the many, many fans and analysts tend to look at things in the most shallow, simplistic and reductionist way and not look at depth and context of what is happening.

The idea that you just get two top players at their positions and it is yearly WCF or better doesn't make sense. Houston has the best C and the best SG in the league right? Yao/McGrady were at worst the second best C and second best SG, and even in the years they were both healthy they didn't go anywhere. I'd rather have the 2nd best SF than any other best at position player in the league. For a lot of the 90's I'd rather have the 2nd or 3rd best C than the best PF.

This is the part where I come in and say....so what bro, Paul choked in Game 5. It's been 9 years bro. No more excuses.
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Re: Is the hate getting annoying or....?? 

Post#23 » by Sofia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:37 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Woj picked the Warriors to win the west
Spears picked the Warriors to win it all.

Yahoo also ranked them #2 overall.

Knowing how woj works, expect some fluff pieces down the track about Kerr in exchange for inside info.
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Re: Is the hate getting annoying or....?? 

Post#24 » by LACtdom » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:39 pm

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LACtdom wrote:If you say that nobody has us as favourites or top 3 then you are living under a rock, simply go to our team predictions forum and see what us clipper fans have said about our predictions. Based on last year's franchise-record season where we were only 3 games better than Portland and Houston and our previous playoff exits, I can see why people call us overrated. If you say we will nab the 3rd seed and exit in the second round then that's fine but for the people who say more, don't cry about any hate you get because they're right - we haven't done anything yet.

......???

1) We won the 3rd seed last year. That's where we should be rated.

2) LOL at using the team's fan base and their hopes and expectations as a gage for if a team is overrated. Fans aren't objective. If that's the case, from this board alone, the Toronto Raptors are the most overrated team in basketball. Wanna take a trip to the Warriors forum and peep their fans saying they can win the west? They've never won anything.

This is sports. The start of every season for a fan sounds like four words:
THIS
IS
THE
YEAR

obviously in some capacity. If you're a contender, a chip. If you suck, some promise.


Main point:
being overrated is CLEARLY something that comes from "OBJECTIVE" pundits and media publications. Not a team's fans. what the hell man.
Exactly so everyone (not just our fan base, but reporters also) who says the Clippers will get past the second round are clearly overrating us.
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Re: Is the hate getting annoying or....?? 

Post#25 » by og15 » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:49 pm

I don't think saying the Clippers can get to the WCF is overrating, they can, they are that level of team. It is within their ability to get to the WCF, even to the finals. Saying the Clippers are clear favorites or anything like that would clearly be overrating though. I'm assuming no one is saying that though, and if they are then they are definitely overrating this team.
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Re: Is the hate getting annoying or....?? 

Post#26 » by Quake Griffin » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:58 pm

og15 wrote:I don't think saying the Clippers can get to the WCF is overrating, they can, they are that level of team. It is within their ability to get to the WCF, even to the finals. Saying the Clippers are clear favorites or anything like that would clearly be overrating though. I'm assuming no one is saying that though, and if they are then they are definitely overrating this team.

When I open up my own firm, I'm gonna put you on the payroll to be my publicist and handle my PR.

lol. there's a difference between picking a team to take the next step or do something they haven't done before with respect to how difficult it will be and saying, the "Clippers are a lock to win the title, go get the deeds to your homes and put them on the Clips to do it."

Miami was viewed as a lock to make the finals during LBJ's tenure there. Anything short of would have been a disappointment.
Picking the Clippers to make the finals in 2014 is not the same as picking Miami to make the finals during LBJs run.
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Re: Is the hate getting annoying or....?? 

Post#27 » by madmaxmedia » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:34 pm

We are a good SF away from being a championship favorite type. It doesn't have to be Kevin Durant or anything, but something better than Matt Barnes (as much as I love his scrappiness).

Just someone who can create some offense on the wing, maybe top 15 or so, I don't know someone like Jeff Green. Blake has improved immensely but he's still a PF. He's extended his game out to the wing, but the team could use another scorer.

That's what I see lacking on the floor with this team, at least when you are talking being among the top championship contenders.
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Re: Is the hate getting annoying or....?? 

Post#28 » by Wammy Giveaway » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:16 am

OG, you forgot about one tandem in the NBA: Jason Kidd & Kenyon Martin, the New Jersey Nets who went to two NBA Finals. Kidd got his championship as a member of the Mavericks.

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