Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit?

TreasureCoast · Post #61 » by **TreasureCoast** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:36 pm

purpleswordfish wrote:He's not going anywhere until Hennigan finds himself in the hotseat. Once his job is on the line, he'll throw JV under the bus to buy himself a bit more time.

This is it right here folks

mhectorgato · Post #62 » by **mhectorgato** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:37 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
LetItRain wrote:I think JV was smiling in the 4th Q because he was enjoying the feeling of never having to watch Big Baby chuck shots on the Magic ever again. Hard not to smile at that, even when your team is getting pummeled.

So, he exchanged BBD for Bum Garbage chucking shots at a lower clip rate of success with zero defensive ability to boot. At least BBD had heart and played decent defense. Actually, BBD would have probably done as good against Davis than anybody on this current team.

Vaughn was probably smiling because he saw some pink elephants on the jumbo tron and forgot all about the game.

Weren't you defending Ben Gordon when we signed him, saying that it was a bad situation in Cha? Or am I confusing you with another delusional poster?

CraZyPraiZ · Post #63 » by **CraZyPraiZ** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:38 pm

Over reaction. I don't think people realize how good the Pelicans are. This is a very very good team. I'd be shocked if they did not make the playoffs. They are as good as anyone on the front line. Barring injuries they will do this to a lot of teams. But JV has this year to show significant improvement. If we play like this a lot then I'd say mid year he's gone. I just don't see a viable replacement out there. We'll see.

CraZyPraiZ · Post #64 » by **CraZyPraiZ** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:40 pm

mhectorgato wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
LetItRain wrote:I think JV was smiling in the 4th Q because he was enjoying the feeling of never having to watch Big Baby chuck shots on the Magic ever again. Hard not to smile at that, even when your team is getting pummeled.

So, he exchanged BBD for Bum Garbage chucking shots at a lower clip rate of success with zero defensive ability to boot. At least BBD had heart and played decent defense. Actually, BBD would have probably done as good against Davis than anybody on this current team.

Vaughn was probably smiling because he saw some pink elephants on the jumbo tron and forgot all about the game.

Weren't you defending Ben Gordon when we signed him, saying that it was a bad situation in Cha? Or am I confusing you with another delusional poster?

Ben will help this team. My question is what the hell happened to the uptempo offense. We were walking the ball up the court all night. We won't win many games that way.

BadMofoPimp · Post #65 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:44 pm

mhectorgato wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
LetItRain wrote:I think JV was smiling in the 4th Q because he was enjoying the feeling of never having to watch Big Baby chuck shots on the Magic ever again. Hard not to smile at that, even when your team is getting pummeled.

So, he exchanged BBD for Bum Garbage chucking shots at a lower clip rate of success with zero defensive ability to boot. At least BBD had heart and played decent defense. Actually, BBD would have probably done as good against Davis than anybody on this current team.

Vaughn was probably smiling because he saw some pink elephants on the jumbo tron and forgot all about the game.

Weren't you defending Ben Gordon when we signed him, saying that it was a bad situation in Cha? Or am I confusing you with another delusional poster?

Definitely confusing.

I created an "I hate Ben Gordon" thread on the Pistons board in 2009 like the day they signed him. I knew he was a Bum from the start. Because, even when he was in Chicago, he was one of the worst defensive SG's in the league while being too undersized to play SG, but poor handles to play PG. All he can do is shoot and now he is way too old and slow to even do that effectively as witnessed by how many of his shots were blocked last night. It is a sad state of affairs.

TreasureCoast · Post #66 » by **TreasureCoast** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:45 pm

CraZyPraiZ wrote:Over reaction. I don't think people realize how good the Pelicans are. This is a very very good team. I'd be shocked if they did not make the playoffs. They are as good as anyone on the front line. Barring injuries they will do this to a lot of teams. But JV has this year to show significant improvement. If we play like this a lot then I'd say mid year he's gone. I just don't see a viable replacement out there. We'll see.

Pelicans have a talented starting 5 and Ryno, beyond that they are very thin, any injuries and they wont have a chance of making the playoffs out west. Plus a smarter coach will lock down Tyreke Evans at SF

tooler · Post #67 » by **tooler** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:55 pm

mhectorgato wrote:Weren't you defending Ben Gordon when we signed him, saying that it was a bad situation in Cha? Or am I confusing you with another delusional poster?

Just a bit outside.

AdamTheGreek · Post #68 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:19 pm

It's one game. We were in it for 34 minutes (thanks to our defense) and Ryan Anderson went on a ridiculous 11-0 solo run. It's tough for any team to recover from that (let alone our young group).

Is it perplexing as to why we didn't see Harkless? Yeah. His explanation is he wanted to shorten the rotation with Tobias playing a lot at SF.

Let's see how we handle our home game. Ben and Luke need to play a hell of a lot better if they want to warrant court time.

Post #69 » by **ChosenSavior** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:55 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:It's one game. We were in it for 34 minutes (thanks to our defense) and Ryan Anderson went on a ridiculous 11-0 solo run. It's tough for any team to recover from that (let alone our young group).

Is it perplexing as to why we didn't see Harkless? Yeah. His explanation is he wanted to shorten the rotation with Tobias playing a lot at SF.

Let's see how we handle our home game. Ben and Luke need to play a hell of a lot better if they want to warrant court time.

Keep educating them sir. I assume Drew didn't get in for the same reason to shorten that PF rotation a bit between O'Quinn and A. Gordon. Also that Pelicans front line is very good and would have been an extremely tough cover for Andrew. Just because those two didn't play last night doesn't mean that they will get their number called on Thursday. This is a very long season and people really need to be patient and see how things turn out especially when Dipo and Frye return.

mhectorgato · Post #70 » by **mhectorgato** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:56 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:It's one game. We were in it for 34 minutes (thanks to our defense) and Ryan Anderson went on a ridiculous 11-0 solo run. It's tough for any team to recover from that (let alone our young group).

Is it perplexing as to why we didn't see Harkless? Yeah. His explanation is he wanted to shorten the rotation with Tobias playing a lot at SF.

Let's see how we handle our home game. Ben and Luke need to play a hell of a lot better if they want to warrant court time.

Definitely agreed on the "it's only 1 game" - way too early to make any kind of judgment.

But on the shortening rotations .. that's typically not done the first game of the year, no? Isn't that usually for runs to get into playoffs, playoff preparation or in the playoffs themselves?

#matchups

But strange substitutions and playoff calling has been a kinda staple for JV thus far.

KillMonger · Post #71 » by **KillMonger** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:59 pm

I'd say wait, can't really see the full picture until we're full strength I mean we're missing two STARTERS, that's substantial.

Post #72 » by **ChosenSavior** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:00 pm

tooler wrote:
mhectorgato wrote:Weren't you defending Ben Gordon when we signed him, saying that it was a bad situation in Cha? Or am I confusing you with another delusional poster?

Just a bit outside.

MagicStarwipe · Post #73 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:26 pm

mhectorgato wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:It's one game. We were in it for 34 minutes (thanks to our defense) and Ryan Anderson went on a ridiculous 11-0 solo run. It's tough for any team to recover from that (let alone our young group).

Is it perplexing as to why we didn't see Harkless? Yeah. His explanation is he wanted to shorten the rotation with Tobias playing a lot at SF.

Let's see how we handle our home game. Ben and Luke need to play a hell of a lot better if they want to warrant court time.

Definitely agreed on the "it's only 1 game" - way too early to make any kind of judgment.

But on the shortening rotations .. that's typically not done the first game of the year, no? Isn't that usually for runs to get into playoffs, playoff preparation or in the playoffs themselves?

#matchups

But strange substitutions and playoff calling has been a kinda staple for JV thus far.

Let me translate it for you. Tobias is worlds better than Moe and we need to find as much minutes for him as possible. Especially with Dipo out. And the minutes he's not getting at SF should go to AG who is also already better than Moe.

And what's this "JV was smiling in the 4th quarter" stuff? He was having a conversation with a referee during a long clock malfunction. He wasn't sitting on the bench grinning like an idiot as they were pulling away from us.

akhenaten · Post #74 » by **akhenaten** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:41 am

Bill Simmons went on record saying now that Ty Corbin is out, Jacque Vaughn is the worst coach in the NBA. Agreed.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #75 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:06 am

Jock looked like the JV of the past 2 years.. head-scratching rotations, switching on defense, letting the opposing team dictate the match-ups, throwing in the towel during a road game, playing Bum Garbage in the BBD role... I'm a bit nervous this could be another tank year. Our bench isn't great while the team is healthy, and is definitely nothing special when injuries take a toll over the course of an 82 game season.

It's not like I'm attending Magic practices and seeing what's going on.. but i'm not sure if I'm sold on JV being a leader of men. I just don't see him inspiring or motivating players. Seems to cater to vets often. When it's all said and done we may look back at JV's tenure as a Magic coach and come to the conclusion that he was/is a patsy.

Post #76 » by **MagicMadness** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:58 am

We're a team full of rookies, young role players, and garbage vets. Also, we traded away two of our best 'win now' players during the offseason.

The Magic aren't firing Vaughn, and they aren't expecting the playoffs. The Magic are still rebuilding.

MagicStarwipe · Post #77 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:40 am

All you have to do is look at the starting lineup to know we aren't tanking. We started Payton and played him big minutes. Last season it would have 100% been Ridnour. The offence looked better as far as running sets. We actually got the ball to Vuc and Tobias a LOT. Whether we win a lot or not remains to be seen. But we aren't tanking.

Rick Rolled · Post #78 » by **Rick Rolled** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:52 am

Who wouldn't want James Borrego to coach the next 81 games?????

OrlandO · Post #79 » by **OrlandO** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:01 am

Rick Rolled wrote:Who wouldn't want James Borrego to coach the next 81 games?????

OrlandO · Post #80 » by **OrlandO** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:33 am

Bucks blew a 24 point lead in the second half and lost to the Hornets. Biggest comeback in Charlotte franchise history. Yet... not a single fire Jason Kidd thread on the Bucks forum.

Should the Magic fire JV now?