If Ed Davis starts, who Comes off the Bench?

ChokeFasncists · Post #1 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:13 am

Boozer or Hill?

Sofa King · Post #2 » by **Sofa King** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:16 am

Put them both on the bench for all I could care.

ROballer · Post #3 » by **ROballer** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:35 am

Boozer is hilariously bad

I gave the guys here 20 games before they start calling for his head and demand Julius to start
I guess I was wrong,10 games tops ...unfortunately,we don't have the Randle option anymore

Davis/Hill need to start,or Kelly/Davis.....Boozer has no business playing starting mins ,starting actually don't even matter cause you can mess with the rotations to have the most valuable lineups out there at any times

But he should play 20 mins tops....TOPS,no more than that

Anatomize · Post #4 » by **Anatomize** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:57 am

As a Raptors fan who watched both of your first two games, Ed Davis is a MUST start. He's easily been your most impressive player, hands down. He's blocking shots, high energy, playing both ends, pulling off some impressive post moves offensively on his limited touches, and seems to be in the right place at the right time. He's also posting the best per-minute stats and when he comes on it looks like the Lakers play better as a whole.

I still don't understand Scott's philosophy about not shooting threes, I see your players hesitating, Jeremy Lin had a few wide open opportunities and stepped in and tried to force the issue instead of taking what's there. The game today is so predicated on 3 pt shooting and stretching the floor. Wes Johnson at one point could've had a wide open corner 3 (what would've been a corner 3 under D'antoni) and instead received a 15 footer off a beautiful Kobe pass from the top of the key. These are plays where guys should be nailing 3's, and instead teams are packing the paint on you and forcing long 2's and contested fadeaway jumpers from post-ups, it's ugly old-school basketball that doesn't work. Not only does not shooting 3's not work, but you're getting no fast-break opportunities since Scott is forcing the team to slow it down to a crawl, it's terrible pace and boring to watch, he's just an awful coach in today's NBA landscape.

I really question what the Lakers front office has been doing in terms of coach-hiring personnel decisions. It feels like these are scapegoat type guys that can be easily canned and can bend to Kobe's will. Brown, D'antoni, Scott, awful. The talent is not there this year, and this is a dog-pound mentality coach leading a group of very young guys that should be getting out and running/shooting 3's/playing with pace.

Post #5 » by **Slava** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:04 pm

Until Kelly and Swaggy P get back we really don't have good shooting at all. Ofcourse Ed should start but without proper floor spacing, we will continue to have issues. Clarkson has been very aggressive no matter who he plays with and hopefully once he gets familiarity with the NBA 3 pt line, he's someone we can trust.

ArC_man · Post #6 » by **ArC_man** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:35 pm

When Kelly gets healthy, we should start Kelly and bench both Boozer and Hill. Kelly is the only one that's going to be here long term out of the 3 - Boozer is done and hopefully Hill will get shipped out by the trade deadline for some assets. Kelly is a true stretch 4 and a decent passer which is what this current offense is lacking greatly.

Without Randle we need to give Lin/Clarkson/Kelly/Davis as many minutes as possible.

pdub15 · Post #7 » by **pdub15** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:05 pm

For floor spacing purpose I say have Boozer start next to him. Yes Hill is a better defender than Boozer but neither Hill or Davis have a good jumper.

Mirjalovic · Post #8 » by **Mirjalovic** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:18 pm

Ed Davis and Ryan Kelly must start.

dont let Boozer play. If the Lakers lose, its should be in style.

ak7 · Post #9 » by **ak7** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:23 pm

Anatomize wrote:As a Raptors fan who watched both of your first two games, Ed Davis is a MUST start. He's easily been your most impressive player, hands down. He's blocking shots, high energy, playing both ends, pulling off some impressive post moves offensively on his limited touches, and seems to be in the right place at the right time. He's also posting the best per-minute stats and when he comes on it looks like the Lakers play better as a whole.

I still don't understand Scott's philosophy about not shooting threes, I see your players hesitating, Jeremy Lin had a few wide open opportunities and stepped in and tried to force the issue instead of taking what's there. The game today is so predicated on 3 pt shooting and stretching the floor. Wes Johnson at one point could've had a wide open corner 3 (what would've been a corner 3 under D'antoni) and instead received a 15 footer off a beautiful Kobe pass from the top of the key. These are plays where guys should be nailing 3's, and instead teams are packing the paint on you and forcing long 2's and contested fadeaway jumpers from post-ups, it's ugly old-school basketball that doesn't work. Not only does not shooting 3's not work, but you're getting no fast-break opportunities since Scott is forcing the team to slow it down to a crawl, it's terrible pace and boring to watch, he's just an awful coach in today's NBA landscape.

I really question what the Lakers front office has been doing in terms of coach-hiring personnel decisions. It feels like these are scapegoat type guys that can be easily canned and can bend to Kobe's will. Brown, D'antoni, Scott, awful. The talent is not there this year, and this is a dog-pound mentality coach leading a group of very young guys that should be getting out and running/shooting 3's/playing with pace.

The lack of 3 point shooting is not designed to gimp us offensively, but limit our transition D where this same group of guys got murdered during last season.

You really can't have one and not the other and be effective, in terms of 3 point shooting and above-average transition D.

KobeBryant24 · Post #10 » by **KobeBryant24** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:00 pm

Lol boozers defense is horrrrible

Doormatt · Post #11 » by **Doormatt** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:56 pm

fully healthy, kelly/davis should be the starters. best combo of defense/shooting/spacing we have.

Fresh360Waves · Post #12 » by **Fresh360Waves** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:08 pm

Both. Start Kelly/Davis.

willywazza · Post #13 » by **willywazza** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:01 pm

They are both equally bad.

Anatomize · Post #14 » by **Anatomize** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:13 am

ak7 wrote:
Anatomize wrote:As a Raptors fan who watched both of your first two games, Ed Davis is a MUST start. He's easily been your most impressive player, hands down. He's blocking shots, high energy, playing both ends, pulling off some impressive post moves offensively on his limited touches, and seems to be in the right place at the right time. He's also posting the best per-minute stats and when he comes on it looks like the Lakers play better as a whole.

I still don't understand Scott's philosophy about not shooting threes, I see your players hesitating, Jeremy Lin had a few wide open opportunities and stepped in and tried to force the issue instead of taking what's there. The game today is so predicated on 3 pt shooting and stretching the floor. Wes Johnson at one point could've had a wide open corner 3 (what would've been a corner 3 under D'antoni) and instead received a 15 footer off a beautiful Kobe pass from the top of the key. These are plays where guys should be nailing 3's, and instead teams are packing the paint on you and forcing long 2's and contested fadeaway jumpers from post-ups, it's ugly old-school basketball that doesn't work. Not only does not shooting 3's not work, but you're getting no fast-break opportunities since Scott is forcing the team to slow it down to a crawl, it's terrible pace and boring to watch, he's just an awful coach in today's NBA landscape.

I really question what the Lakers front office has been doing in terms of coach-hiring personnel decisions. It feels like these are scapegoat type guys that can be easily canned and can bend to Kobe's will. Brown, D'antoni, Scott, awful. The talent is not there this year, and this is a dog-pound mentality coach leading a group of very young guys that should be getting out and running/shooting 3's/playing with pace.

The lack of 3 point shooting is not designed to gimp us offensively, but limit our transition D where this same group of guys got murdered during last season.

You really can't have one and not the other and be effective, in terms of 3 point shooting and above-average transition D.

The issue is that contested mid range 2's and long 2's are the most inefficient shots in basketball. Having a mid-range game is good in short spurts to keep the defense honest, but it's mostly favorable for PFs and shooting guards, not for your entire lineup from top to bottom. For every tough 2 you score, teams are raining 3's on you at the moment, and the lead is getting padded hard.

bws94 · Post #15 » by **bws94** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:02 am

One of the 3, Kobe, Jeremy or Wesley are going to have to put up some 3s at the beginning of the games. They should all try shooting them and the one that is falling, have some plays go to him. Both Kobe and Lin can penetrate and kick out to Wesley or both attract the defense to get the other open if needed. Because 3s are raining down from the opposing teams in the pre-season and 2 regular season games. Clippers have guys hitting them and GS really has guys that hit them on the regular. Yeah, it'll be nice to get some +1s on the drives too, but the Lakers are terribly outscored in the first and that will become a pattern. Byron has to change that in his philosophy and make plays for the 3. Off the bench there's Clarkson and Ellington that need to fire them up.

leeprettyp · Post #16 » by **leeprettyp** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:11 am

Gotta go with the Hill and Davis frontcourt playing heavy minutes. Boozer isnt a starting PF anymore. And we dont have the shooters besides Wayne Ellington to be launching a bunch of threes. Another area that Nash injury hurts us

RollingWave · Post #17 » by **RollingWave** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:03 am

Easy answer:

Jeremy Lin : because that combo has shown signs of actually being good, so we must avoid it at all cost - Byron Scott

RamonSessions7 · Post #18 » by **RamonSessions7** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:53 am

I'm all for whatever helps us lose the most games.

Post #19 » by **TyCobb** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:57 am

Hill and Davis for me. Kelly doesnt rebound well enough to be a starter/majority minutes guy.

ak7 · Post #20 » by **ak7** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:58 am

Anatomize wrote:
ak7 wrote:
Anatomize wrote:As a Raptors fan who watched both of your first two games, Ed Davis is a MUST start. He's easily been your most impressive player, hands down. He's blocking shots, high energy, playing both ends, pulling off some impressive post moves offensively on his limited touches, and seems to be in the right place at the right time. He's also posting the best per-minute stats and when he comes on it looks like the Lakers play better as a whole.

I still don't understand Scott's philosophy about not shooting threes, I see your players hesitating, Jeremy Lin had a few wide open opportunities and stepped in and tried to force the issue instead of taking what's there. The game today is so predicated on 3 pt shooting and stretching the floor. Wes Johnson at one point could've had a wide open corner 3 (what would've been a corner 3 under D'antoni) and instead received a 15 footer off a beautiful Kobe pass from the top of the key. These are plays where guys should be nailing 3's, and instead teams are packing the paint on you and forcing long 2's and contested fadeaway jumpers from post-ups, it's ugly old-school basketball that doesn't work. Not only does not shooting 3's not work, but you're getting no fast-break opportunities since Scott is forcing the team to slow it down to a crawl, it's terrible pace and boring to watch, he's just an awful coach in today's NBA landscape.

I really question what the Lakers front office has been doing in terms of coach-hiring personnel decisions. It feels like these are scapegoat type guys that can be easily canned and can bend to Kobe's will. Brown, D'antoni, Scott, awful. The talent is not there this year, and this is a dog-pound mentality coach leading a group of very young guys that should be getting out and running/shooting 3's/playing with pace.

The lack of 3 point shooting is not designed to gimp us offensively, but limit our transition D where this same group of guys got murdered during last season.

You really can't have one and not the other and be effective, in terms of 3 point shooting and above-average transition D.

The issue is that contested mid range 2's and long 2's are the most inefficient shots in basketball. Having a mid-range game is good in short spurts to keep the defense honest, but it's mostly favorable for PFs and shooting guards, not for your entire lineup from top to bottom. For every tough 2 you score, teams are raining 3's on you at the moment, and the lead is getting padded hard.

And for every 3 ball you jack up with a bunch of players who can't hit them, that's an easy 2 for the other team in transition because we are god awful in transition on defense.

This current Lakers teams' only shot at winning games is by playing to their strengths and doing what they can to limit their weaknesses on D.

Should Boozer or Hill come off the bench?