G2 | Pistons (0-1) @ Timberwolves (0-1)

[PerkinsFor3]

Def agree. Dj is a bit player when utilized properly. Well, so is Jennings as they both have big flaws.

Play Spencer. Problem solved. Partly.


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[Blkbrd671]

Drummond is going to be a top C but you just can't use him to close out games! He had 4 free throws and made one and yes it really didn't make a difference this game but what the hell was Stan thinking.

so your argument is dre should not close out games?

[cammac]

Drummond is going to be a top C but you just can't use him to close out games! He had 4 free throws and made one and yes it really didn't make a difference this game but what the hell was Stan thinking.

so your argument is dre should not close out games?

I think it is obvious in a close game he should be sitting just like Dwight does and Shaq before him. Right now maybe doesn't matter if the Pistons become competitive it does matter.

[MotownMadness]

Drummond is going to be a top C but you just can't use him to close out games! He had 4 free throws and made one and yes it really didn't make a difference this game but what the hell was Stan thinking.

so your argument is dre should not close out games?

I think it is obvious in a close game he should be sitting just like Dwight does and Shaq before him. Right now maybe doesn't matter if the Pistons become competitive it does matter.

Im sure if we were competing for anything or late in the season he would be sittin but right now he needs to be out there in those situations trying to play through it and learn.

[princeofpalace]

This is the 2nd game in a row, that the opponent's bigs outmatched ours. That trend cannot continue, our 4/5 spots should be a position of strength and not weakness. Its clear, that Smith is not a starting PF- his offense continues to horrible but he cannot defend or rebound, which makes him a detriment to the team. I hope to God that he's coming off the bench next game.

Drummond doesn't look good next to Smith. The two are a bad pairing. I'm not going to speculate as to whether or not Andre likes playing next to Smith or not but I can see that the two don't bring out the best in each other and cannot be together long term.

Further, Drummond is not good enough to be this team's best player yet. He has spurts, but he's still a complimentary guy right now. I would be very hesitant to build the team around the premise that he is the next Dwight Howard. Right now Andre is more Deandre Jordan, it may be a few years before Andre is ready to be a premiere player.

[MountainDrew]

Just watched the game, and i honestly kind of feel for you guys. THe IQ of Smith and Jennings is absolutely laughable. Maybe it gets better if you start Augustin over Jennings and Monroe over SMith? I know that would be very hard to do given the contracts, but these guys are just massive liabilities. Can Monroe play together with Drummond?

[Redeemed]

Just watched the game, and i honestly kind of feel for you guys. THe IQ of Smith and Jennings is absolutely laughable. Maybe it gets better if you start Augustin over Jennings and Monroe over SMith? I know that would be very hard to do given the contracts, but these guys are just massive liabilities. Can Monroe play together with Drummond?

Smith has earned the bench. I'm good with Monroe starting. He tends to play within himself and compliment Drummond.

Jennings should stay the starter while giving up the major minutes to Augustin until he finds his competitive fire. Jennings is better, but he's an idiot and a quitter. Augustin is a grinder with minimal talent but a bigger IQ than Jennings. Augustin overdribbles but he eventually gets it done.

[DTP]

Smith is not a starting caliber power forward? Do you idiots seriously read the comments you post? My goodness. Lets me all remind you, one of the very important parts of a SVG offense is the fact that there are outside shooters around the bigs, to give the bigs room to operate. The perimeter guys have not played well so far and partly because our two best outside shooters haven't been dressed. 23% from 3 in Game 1 & 33% from 3 last night. You need outside shooters for this offense to be at its best.....the offense was a struggle big time last night.

Monroe will help a little bit simply because he'll help rebounding wise and the best overall offensive player on the roster but still won't change the fact, WE NEED OUR PERIMETER GUYS TO SHOOT BETTER. If you don't want Smith taking 3s, someone else has to step up and do it. Josh went 0-2 last night from 3...one of those attempts was an end of the shot clock bail out as Augustin gave it to him with nothing else to do. The second 3 was the late 4th quarter attempt...which he got a good look, wasn't rushed, feet were set, it just didn't go in.

Am I happy happy with every shot he takes? Absolutely not....same can be said for any and every player. But stop the freakin overreactions, seriously. Can't believe some of you have the nerve to criticize someone else's basketball IQ.... And Monroe in the lineup, starting or off the bench, doesn't change the fact our perimeter guys have to hit shots for this team to go anywhere.

[DetroitSho]

Smith is not a starting caliber power forward? Do you idiots seriously read the comments you post? My goodness. Lets me all remind you, one of the very important parts of a SVG offense is the fact that there are outside shooters around the bigs, to give the bigs room to operate. The perimeter guys have not played well so far and partly because our two best outside shooters haven't been dressed. 23% from 3 in Game 1 & 33% from 3 last night. You need outside shooters for this offense to be at its best.....the offense was a struggle big time last night.

Monroe will help a little bit simply because he'll help rebounding wise and the best overall offensive player on the roster but still won't change the fact, WE NEED OUR PERIMETER GUYS TO SHOOT BETTER. If you don't want Smith taking 3s, someone else has to step up and do it. Josh went 0-2 last night from 3...one of those attempts was an end of the shot clock bail out as Augustin gave it to him with nothing else to do. The second 3 was the late 4th quarter attempt...which he got a good look, wasn't rushed, feet were set, it just didn't go in.

Am I happy happy with every shot he takes? Absolutely not....same can be said for any and every player. But stop the freakin overreactions, seriously. Can't believe some of you have the nerve to criticize someone else's basketball IQ.... And Monroe in the lineup, starting or off the bench, doesn't change the fact our perimeter guys have to hit shots for this team to go anywhere.

I hate the "if not Josh who else is gonna take the 3's" fallacy that people have. SVG's system doesn't require a freaking quota of 3's. It also doesn't require a bunch of people around the perimeter with one big man inside. STOP BELIEVING THIS ALREADY. His system requires good shots be taken. So if not Josh Smith shooting 3's, how about a layup from someone? How about a 12 footer off a pullup?If Josh resists the idiotic urge of taken shots he can't make, there's the possibility of swinging the ball around to eventually end up with a better shot. Stop thinking it's Josh's 3's vs. somebody else's 3s. It's Josh's 3s vs. a better shot period. Whatever it may be.

[DTP]

Smith is not a starting caliber power forward? Do you idiots seriously read the comments you post? My goodness. Lets me all remind you, one of the very important parts of a SVG offense is the fact that there are outside shooters around the bigs, to give the bigs room to operate. The perimeter guys have not played well so far and partly because our two best outside shooters haven't been dressed. 23% from 3 in Game 1 & 33% from 3 last night. You need outside shooters for this offense to be at its best.....the offense was a struggle big time last night.

Monroe will help a little bit simply because he'll help rebounding wise and the best overall offensive player on the roster but still won't change the fact, WE NEED OUR PERIMETER GUYS TO SHOOT BETTER. If you don't want Smith taking 3s, someone else has to step up and do it. Josh went 0-2 last night from 3...one of those attempts was an end of the shot clock bail out as Augustin gave it to him with nothing else to do. The second 3 was the late 4th quarter attempt...which he got a good look, wasn't rushed, feet were set, it just didn't go in.

Am I happy happy with every shot he takes? Absolutely not....same can be said for any and every player. But stop the freakin overreactions, seriously. Can't believe some of you have the nerve to criticize someone else's basketball IQ.... And Monroe in the lineup, starting or off the bench, doesn't change the fact our perimeter guys have to hit shots for this team to go anywhere.

I hate the "if not Josh who else is gonna take the 3's" fallacy that people have. SVG's system doesn't require a freaking quota of 3's. It also doesn't require a bunch of people around the perimeter with one big man inside. STOP BELIEVING THIS ALREADY. His system requires good shots be taken. So if not Josh Smith shooting 3's, how about a layup from someone? How about a 12 footer off a pullup?If Josh resists the idiotic urge of taken shots he can't make, there's the possibility of swinging the ball around to eventually end up with a better shot. Stop thinking it's Josh's 3's vs. somebody else's 3s. It's Josh's 3s vs. a better shot period. Whatever it may be.

Well considering SVG's teams are always among the top of the league in 3pt attempts and percentage...and the fact that his biggest off season goal was to bring in outside shooters, yes.....I do believe his system has a quota on 3s. SVG is a huge believer of the analytic game....you know- 3s, layups, & free throws. Don't think 12 footer pullups is in that equation much.

You need perimeter guys to open the floor, you can't operate without it. You want life to be easier on Drummond, Smith, and Monroe from inside? Got to have outside shooters dude. Basketball IQ 101 bro....

[kurtis48239]

How much longer is meeks expected to be out ?

[DetroitSho]

Smith is not a starting caliber power forward? Do you idiots seriously read the comments you post? My goodness. Lets me all remind you, one of the very important parts of a SVG offense is the fact that there are outside shooters around the bigs, to give the bigs room to operate. The perimeter guys have not played well so far and partly because our two best outside shooters haven't been dressed. 23% from 3 in Game 1 & 33% from 3 last night. You need outside shooters for this offense to be at its best.....the offense was a struggle big time last night.

Monroe will help a little bit simply because he'll help rebounding wise and the best overall offensive player on the roster but still won't change the fact, WE NEED OUR PERIMETER GUYS TO SHOOT BETTER. If you don't want Smith taking 3s, someone else has to step up and do it. Josh went 0-2 last night from 3...one of those attempts was an end of the shot clock bail out as Augustin gave it to him with nothing else to do. The second 3 was the late 4th quarter attempt...which he got a good look, wasn't rushed, feet were set, it just didn't go in.

Am I happy happy with every shot he takes? Absolutely not....same can be said for any and every player. But stop the freakin overreactions, seriously. Can't believe some of you have the nerve to criticize someone else's basketball IQ.... And Monroe in the lineup, starting or off the bench, doesn't change the fact our perimeter guys have to hit shots for this team to go anywhere.

I hate the "if not Josh who else is gonna take the 3's" fallacy that people have. SVG's system doesn't require a freaking quota of 3's. It also doesn't require a bunch of people around the perimeter with one big man inside. STOP BELIEVING THIS ALREADY. His system requires good shots be taken. So if not Josh Smith shooting 3's, how about a layup from someone? How about a 12 footer off a pullup?If Josh resists the idiotic urge of taken shots he can't make, there's the possibility of swinging the ball around to eventually end up with a better shot. Stop thinking it's Josh's 3's vs. somebody else's 3s. It's Josh's 3s vs. a better shot period. Whatever it may be.

Well considering SVG's teams are always among the top of the league in 3pt attempts and percentage...and the fact that his biggest off season goal was to bring in outside shooters, yes.....I do believe his system has a quota on 3s. SVG is a huge believer of the analytic game....you know- 3s, layups, & free throws. Don't think 12 footer pullups is in that equation much.

You need perimeter guys to open the floor, you can't operate without it. You want life to be easier on Drummond, Smith, and Monroe from inside? Got to have outside shooters dude. Basketball IQ 101 bro....

If you seriously believe on his game plan it has a bullet point that reads "shoot 'x amount of' 3's", then there's no further discussion to be had. Bringing guys in with the ability to shoot 3's to address the team's biggest weakness and balance the offense is the polar opposite of tailoring a game plan towards shooting 3's. I'm troubled to have to explain this. I missed that 4 out 1 in offense he ran in Miami. So was it Udonis Haslem that was camped out behind the 3pt line at PF?

By the way, if you actually did believe the ridiculous logic that this team has a set amount of 3 pointers it must take every game, you being ok with employing Smith to help meet that quota is laughable. As far as analytics goes, which would you have happen: Josh shoots a 3 with his man running out with a hand up? Or Josh pump faking, blowing past his man and taking 2 dribbles and ending up at 12 feet and shooting in rhythm?