Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit?

[godkingleonidas]

[BadMofoPimp]

Fire Vaughn Now Please!!!

Must stop bleeding!!!

[OrlandO]

Fire Vaughn Now Please!!!

Must stop bleeding!!!

Stan Van Gundy now 0-3? Why does he still have a job?!?!

[Gomagic44]

I won't say now, but unless he proves otherwise, by the end of the season. I've been to every home game so far. Our rotations, play calls and minutes given have no logical basis. Other than Harkless being subbed in tonight, what else has he intelligently done so far this year? He let willie green run buck wild in preseason. Taking game winning shots like Kobe, so glad it's him instead of one our invested youths. Even if it seems like it's helping, running our offense through Ben Gordon and relying on luke ridnour to keep us in games is like settling for a 2(of10) when your drunk.
This is not a winning strategy. Our play calls suck. We aren't playing to the strengths of our players, other than vuc(who has looked like a diamond we payed ruby prices for). We don't have many high percentage looks. I don't blame Henny. I believe the talent is there. Even if to develop from mid tier to top tier teams. We play below that. I blame Vaughn. If he doesn't show something by the end of this season...Fire him.


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[craig01]

I'm willing to give JV a pass for a while.

He's been managing garbage for two years, and even an influx of solid vets this year would take a long time for players to acclimate themselves.

Am I impressed with JV? Nope.

Do I think he's the long term answer as a HC? Nope.

But to be fair, this is going to take some time to sort through things.

[Orium]

Fire Vaughn Now Please!!!

Must stop bleeding!!!

Stan Van Gundy now 0-3? Why does he still have a job?!?!

If in 2 years SVG starts 0-3 then you might have a valid point, but as it stands now it's apples to oranges.

[MagicStarwipe]

A lot of complaining about Luke's minutes. Who is he supposed to play at PG when Elfrid is not in the game? Evan has not shown that he can handle it yet. So who? He decided to give Elfrid a 2 minute rest in the 4th because he didn't want the rookie to tire himself out playing all 12 minutes in case the game is close at the end. If it's a close game and Elfrid is looking winded and messing up, it's JV's fault for not resting him. And it didn't even have a negative effect on the game.

[belly]

A lot of complaining about Luke's minutes. Who is he supposed to play at PG when Elfrid is not in the game? Evan has not shown that he can handle it yet. So who? He decided to give Elfrid a 2 minute rest in the 4th because he didn't want the rookie to tire himself out playing all 12 minutes in case the game is close at the end. If it's a close game and Elfrid is looking winded and messing up, it's JV's fault for not resting him. And it didn't even have a negative effect on the game.

Yeah, I feel bad for the poor guy. I more than applaud your effort though, as you’ve fought the good fight. There is no way JV can do right. First people laugh at the notion that Harkless can play at SG, then it’s a problem because he doesn’t start/get minutes there. Next, if he were to start/get minutes at SF, the question becomes “why isn’t our top scorer (Harris) or our number 4 pick playing?” If that isn’t enough, they want the team to run nonstop but demand to know why we aren’t playing Nicholson. Drew is a phenomenal scorer but he is at his best posting up, not leaking out on the fast break. To add to that, I understand that these players are in top physical condition but it is impossible for them to play a running game AND never take a break. It’s just asking too much. Lastly, the starting PG, SG, and PF positions have changed since last year so I don’t see why it’s considered SVG apples to our players’ oranges. New coach or new players, someone still has to be acclimated. I say all this to say, sometimes, teams are just better...but there isn’t a thing that you can type that would change what seems to be the general consensus that Jacque should be fired.

Edit: I forgot that JV was blamed for Channing Frye’s rebounding. That’s just wrong. He’s coming off of injury but Channing has been in the league a while and played for several coaches. If they couldn’t get him to rebound at a respectable rate, I’d wager that it’s just something he’s no good at. But if the majority gets their way and we get a new coach, maybe that changes.

[OrlandO]

A lot of complaining about Luke's minutes. Who is he supposed to play at PG when Elfrid is not in the game? Evan has not shown that he can handle it yet. So who? He decided to give Elfrid a 2 minute rest in the 4th because he didn't want the rookie to tire himself out playing all 12 minutes in case the game is close at the end. If it's a close game and Elfrid is looking winded and messing up, it's JV's fault for not resting him. And it didn't even have a negative effect on the game.

Yeah, I feel bad for the poor guy. I more than applaud your effort though, as you’ve fought the good fight. There is no way JV can do right. First people laugh at the notion that Harkless can play at SG, then it’s a problem because he doesn’t start/get minutes there. Next, if he were to start/get minutes at SF, the question becomes “why isn’t our top scorer (Harris) or our number 4 pick playing?” If that isn’t enough, they want the team to run nonstop but demand to know why we aren’t playing Nicholson. Drew is a phenomenal scorer but he is at his best posting up, not leaking out on the fast break. To add to that, I understand that these players are in top physical condition but it is impossible for them to play a running game AND never take a break. It’s just asking too much. Lastly, the starting PG, SG, and PF positions have changed since last year so I don’t see why it’s considered SVG apples to our players’ oranges. New coach or new players, someone still has to be acclimated. I say all this to say, sometimes, teams are just better...but there isn’t a thing that you can type that would change what seems to be the general consensus that Jacque should be fired.

Edit: I forgot that JV was blamed for Channing Frye’s rebounding. That’s just wrong. He’s coming off of injury but Channing has been in the league a while and played for several coaches. If they couldn’t get him to rebound at a respectable rate, I’d wager that it’s just something he’s no good at. But if the majority gets their way and we get a new coach, maybe that changes.

Don't forget people wanting to sub in a stiff/cold harkless to guard john wall with 30 seconds left in the game. Also, a lot of people don't seem to realize ben gordon gets minutes because hennigan paid him a large sum of money to play. Same story with fournier since henny traded afflalo to get him... he's going to play. And good luck petitioning to fire a coach that just got an extension. This isn't LA, we're not expected to make the playoffs this year. Vaughn is here for the rest of the season, so all this pouting is a complete waste of time for now.

[Hilltop]

Yeah, the complaining is mostly fruitless at this stage. JV is here to stay and there is nothing we can do to change that. We're in for another long season and I highly doubt the FO is putting him under the same type of scrutiny that people here are.

[Orlwillbeback]

A lot of complaining about Luke's minutes. Who is he supposed to play at PG when Elfrid is not in the game? Evan has not shown that he can handle it yet. So who? He decided to give Elfrid a 2 minute rest in the 4th because he didn't want the rookie to tire himself out playing all 12 minutes in case the game is close at the end. If it's a close game and Elfrid is looking winded and messing up, it's JV's fault for not resting him. And it didn't even have a negative effect on the game.

this is pretty much exactly what i thought about that sub.

[Nemesis21]

Fire Vaughn Now Please!!!

Must stop bleeding!!!

Why? We're about to go on a 79 game winning streak.

[BadMofoPimp]

Fire Vaughn Now Please!!!

Must stop bleeding!!!

Stan Van Gundy now 0-3? Why does he still have a job?!?!

Brand new team for Stan. Can't turn it around overnight. Vaughn is in his 3rd year and appears to still be trying to learn how to coach basketball.

[AdamTheGreek]

Last night we should have won.

Held Toronto under 40%. They only shot 4-of-21 on 3s (19%).
We almost doubled Toronto up on assists (25-13).
The rebound battle was tight until garbage time, as were turnovers.

The only difference is the ridiculous amount of fouls and free throws. That's not something Jacque can fix. It's on the refs and the players on the court.

We'll probably lose in Chicago before we a few winnable games later in the week.

[Bensational]

Let's look at some of the developments from game to game these past few games:

Payton - His 1st quarter offense is all about getting the ball to Vuc. First two games he wasn't looking to score enough, game 3 he stepped up big time, making the most of his opportunities and ability to get to the line.

Fournier - First game he tried to play on the ball too much, and caused a lot of TOs. Since then he's playing off the ball more and pushing breaks.

Frye - 2nd game he was just a fixture. 3rd game he was implemented much more into the offense.

Harris - 1st game he played ISO ball. Since then he's played much more within the offense (had his blackhole moments, too), and seems to be making more effort off the ball, utilizing Payton's passing.


These are all things that JV and his assistants would have coached into the players. The players know these things, since they're experienced in basketball, but JV is the one orchestrating the team and he'd be the one pushing for guys to work on these areas. Guys don't just show up and say "you know what... I'm gonna shoot more tonight!". They're instilled with this purpose through the direction of the coaches. The team has developed rapidly in just 3 games - can anyone really deny that?

Give him til the end of the season and we'll see a much smoother looking team. Bit by bit, he's coaxing the kind of performances out of these guys that we want to see.

[cedric76]

I m watching the Toronto s game, Jv is really bad , in the 3rd demar got fouled twice by Evan (tax crap ref) and he put Ben instead lol, like ben will do better (put moe)

Then they completely forgot about vuc ib defense when he had a small defender

I can't defend Jv anymore

[OrlandO]

Fire Vaughn Now Please!!!

Must stop bleeding!!!

Stan Van Gundy now 0-3? Why does he still have a job?!?!

Brand new team for Stan. Can't turn it around overnight. Vaughn is in his 3rd year and appears to still be trying to learn how to coach basketball.

I suggest you take a good long look at our roster and see how many young and new players we have. I count 9 new players. Up to this point 4 of the 6 young returning players have either been injured or didn't get much time because of other players on the roster. Harris and Vuc are facing their own challenges that impact the team as well since this is the first year they've been tasked to carry and lead the team. This is not the same team Vaughn has coached the past two years. Doesn't matter who's coaching, we're going to go through some growing pains this season, especially while oladipo is out. So if you're going to say SVG gets a pass because he has to deal with a new team, then you should also have the same kind of leniency for vaughn who is also coaching a new team. Not saying vaughn deserves praise, just saying the criticism is way out of hand on this board.

[NickAnderson]

Stan Van Gundy now 0-3? Why does he still have a job?!?!

Brand new team for Stan. Can't turn it around overnight. Vaughn is in his 3rd year and appears to still be trying to learn how to coach basketball.

I suggest you take a good long look at our roster and see how many young and new players we have. I count 9 new players. Up to this point 4 of the 6 young returning players have either been injured or didn't get much time because of other players on the roster. Harris and Vuc are facing their own challenges that impact the team as well since this is the first year they've been tasked to carry and lead the team. This is not the same team Vaughn has coached the past two years. Doesn't matter who's coaching, we're going to go through some growing pains this season, especially while oladipo is out. So if you're going to say SVG gets a pass because he has to deal with a new team, then you should also have the same kind of leniency for vaughn who is also coaching a new team. Not saying vaughn deserves praise, just saying the criticism is way out of hand on this board.

Stan is the best coach ever, didn't you know that? Stan would easily make us a 45 win team at min





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[Orlwillbeback]

Let's look at some of the developments from game to game these past few games:

Payton - His 1st quarter offense is all about getting the ball to Vuc. First two games he wasn't looking to score enough, game 3 he stepped up big time, making the most of his opportunities and ability to get to the line.

Fournier - First game he tried to play on the ball too much, and caused a lot of TOs. Since then he's playing off the ball more and pushing breaks.

Frye - 2nd game he was just a fixture. 3rd game he was implemented much more into the offense.

Harris - 1st game he played ISO ball. Since then he's played much more within the offense (had his blackhole moments, too), and seems to be making more effort off the ball, utilizing Payton's passing.


These are all things that JV and his assistants would have coached into the players. The players know these things, since they're experienced in basketball, but JV is the one orchestrating the team and he'd be the one pushing for guys to work on these areas. Guys don't just show up and say "you know what... I'm gonna shoot more tonight!". They're instilled with this purpose through the direction of the coaches. The team has developed rapidly in just 3 games - can anyone really deny that?

Give him til the end of the season and we'll see a much smoother looking team. Bit by bit, he's coaxing the kind of performances out of these guys that we want to see.

If youre looking at harris' first game and then saying he was coached to perform the way he did in games 3 and 4 then he should be fired.

[AmazinMUSIC]

Sigh...


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