GT: LA Lakers @ GS Warriors 7:30PM PST Nov. 1st, 2014

[Jedi32]

Kobe took way too many shots. Why I think he is still great, he needs to let younger players developed.

I would agree of Randle were out there but everyone else is probably who they are so they aren't really going to develop anymore.

[ardee]

Gonna say this cause it's the truth and kblo247 pinned right on the nail....we're failing with Lin starting. And I'm tired of reading " Lin needs to be with the first unit", "Lin is better as a starter", "Lin creates opportunities".

I haven't seen anything but the opposite. Anybody trying to argue otherwise is not really making a case for winning such debate. Lin is awful in just about every area a lead guard....a solid type lead guard is good at.

He turnover prone, which to a degree every starting guard in the league is going to have turnovers. But just using a raw number the average lead guard will have about a average ratio of 4 assist to 1 turnover. Lin is a 1.47 to 1 and ranks 41st among lead guards. Believe it or not Ronnie Price is ranked 10th ! with 4.50 assists to 1 turnover....like I said average guards will have that.

Also his handles are bad just like bws94 pointed out, this is the leading cause of his TO's. It's not the fact that he turns it over but his TO's always seem to come when the team is in need of a bucket to keep momentum or when the team is making a run. Also bws94 was also right when he said Lin needs to find ways to contribute when his shot is not going, you gotta offer something.

No matter of all the positives that are slowly coming together, we can't make a big leap until Lin figures out how he wants to play. My thoughts are telling me Price may have to start, Lin would be better with the 2nd unit especially once Nick and Ryan comes back because we all envisioned that group playing at a higher pace anyway. And that suits Lin better.

And I'm not saying Lin is the reason for the losses, all the players are....but he's got the ball in his hands to start the engine. And until his game improves we're not moving anywhere.

As much as what you're saying makes sense, you want to start Price, Kobe, Wes, Boozer and Hill together? Do you have any idea how bad that would be spacing wise?

[kblo247]

Gonna say this cause it's the truth and kblo247 pinned right on the nail....we're failing with Lin starting. And I'm tired of reading " Lin needs to be with the first unit", "Lin is better as a starter", "Lin creates opportunities".

I haven't seen anything but the opposite. Anybody trying to argue otherwise is not really making a case for winning such debate. Lin is awful in just about every area a lead guard....a solid type lead guard is good at.

He turnover prone, which to a degree every starting guard in the league is going to have turnovers. But just using a raw number the average lead guard will have about a average ratio of 4 assist to 1 turnover. Lin is a 1.47 to 1 and ranks 41st among lead guards. Believe it or not Ronnie Price is ranked 10th ! with 4.50 assists to 1 turnover....like I said average guards will have that.

Also his handles are bad just like bws94 pointed out, this is the leading cause of his TO's. It's not the fact that he turns it over but his TO's always seem to come when the team is in need of a bucket to keep momentum or when the team is making a run. Also bws94 was also right when he said Lin needs to find ways to contribute when his shot is not going, you gotta offer something.

No matter of all the positives that are slowly coming together, we can't make a big leap until Lin figures out how he wants to play. My thoughts are telling me Price may have to start, Lin would be better with the 2nd unit especially once Nick and Ryan comes back because we all envisioned that group playing at a higher pace anyway. And that suits Lin better.

And I'm not saying Lin is the reason for the losses, all the players are....but he's got the ball in his hands to start the engine. And until his game improves we're not moving anywhere.

As much as what you're saying makes sense, you want to start Price, Kobe, Wes, Boozer and Hill together? Do you have any idea how bad that would be spacing wise?

It made no sense to play them all preseason together then break them up for the hell of it opening night

[dipstick]

Gonna say this cause it's the truth and kblo247 pinned right on the nail....we're failing with Lin starting. And I'm tired of reading " Lin needs to be with the first unit", "Lin is better as a starter", "Lin creates opportunities".

I haven't seen anything but the opposite. Anybody trying to argue otherwise is not really making a case for winning such debate. Lin is awful in just about every area a lead guard....a solid type lead guard is good at.

He turnover prone, which to a degree every starting guard in the league is going to have turnovers. But just using a raw number the average lead guard will have about a average ratio of 4 assist to 1 turnover. Lin is a 1.47 to 1 and ranks 41st among lead guards. Believe it or not Ronnie Price is ranked 10th ! with 4.50 assists to 1 turnover....like I said average guards will have that.

Also his handles are bad just like bws94 pointed out, this is the leading cause of his TO's. It's not the fact that he turns it over but his TO's always seem to come when the team is in need of a bucket to keep momentum or when the team is making a run. Also bws94 was also right when he said Lin needs to find ways to contribute when his shot is not going, you gotta offer something.

No matter of all the positives that are slowly coming together, we can't make a big leap until Lin figures out how he wants to play. My thoughts are telling me Price may have to start, Lin would be better with the 2nd unit especially once Nick and Ryan comes back because we all envisioned that group playing at a higher pace anyway. And that suits Lin better.

And I'm not saying Lin is the reason for the losses, all the players are....but he's got the ball in his hands to start the engine. And until his game improves we're not moving anywhere.

As much as what you're saying makes sense, you want to start Price, Kobe, Wes, Boozer and Hill together? Do you have any idea how bad that would be spacing wise?

It made no sense to play them all preseason together then break them up for the hell of it opening night

Well, our preseason really didn't make too much sense because we didn't have a choice. We had too much injured bodies including Lin and eventually even Price. Its only the 2nd time that we have had days off in between. Hopefully we can put in more adjustments on our game plan to help us win some games.

[ChokeFasncists]

As much as what you're saying makes sense, you want to start Price, Kobe, Wes, Boozer and Hill together? Do you have any idea how bad that would be spacing wise?

It made no sense to play them all preseason together then break them up for the hell of it opening night

What happened was, Nash was supposed to be the starter, then he got injured. Then Lin was supposed to be the starter and he got injured. Give it some time guys, Lin's not as bad as he has shown three out of the past four games, maybe his ankles are still hurting a bit?

[kblo247]

As much as what you're saying makes sense, you want to start Price, Kobe, Wes, Boozer and Hill together? Do you have any idea how bad that would be spacing wise?

It made no sense to play them all preseason together then break them up for the hell of it opening night

What happened was, Nash was supposed to be the starter, then he got injured. Then Lin was supposed to be the starter and he got injured. Give it some time guys, Lin's not as bad as he has shown three out of the past four games, maybe his ankles are still hurting a bit?

No excuses, Lin came off the bench every preseason game. Price started in front of him when he was available as well. It made no sense to trot him out there as a starter when he played off the bench nightly.

Be honest do you want us to give it time because it's best for the lakers? It hasn't been for continuity at all, it hasn't been best for his play, and it has 0/4. Least we won a game with Pricr starting, least Lin was Into it everytime off the bench, and it's what we actually practiced

Laker fans know this **** doesn't vibe ... Just by remembering Barnes, Metta, and ebanks under potato head

[kblo247]

Also to be exact the lakers runs vs Phoenix, Clippers, and Warriors saw price on the floor

[ChokeFasncists]

It made no sense to play them all preseason together then break them up for the hell of it opening night

What happened was, Nash was supposed to be the starter, then he got injured. Then Lin was supposed to be the starter and he got injured. Give it some time guys, Lin's not as bad as he has shown three out of the past four games, maybe his ankles are still hurting a bit?

No excuses, Lin came off the bench every preseason game. Price started in front of him when he was available as well. It made no sense to trot him out there as a starter when he played off the bench nightly.

He was available but was eased into playing post-injury.

Be honest do you want us to give it time because it's best for the lakers? It hasn't been for continuity at all, it hasn't been best for his play, and it has 0/4.

Depends. If you wanna tank, and Lin plays like this it would work wonderfully. If you wanna make the playoffs; a Lin that plays well is the only possibility now that Randle is out. Price over the sucky Lin might win you a few games but that's it. I think the answer is obvious. In addition, surrounding Kobe with very little talent would work ten years ago but now it'd be overly risky and probably ineffective.

Least we won a game with Pricr starting, least Lin was Into it everytime off the bench, and it's what we actually practiced

Winning in preseason doesn't mean much......in training camp it was Nash starting, that's what was practiced, Price was more of a sub-in.

[ratra_1211]

It made no sense to play them all preseason together then break them up for the hell of it opening night

What happened was, Nash was supposed to be the starter, then he got injured. Then Lin was supposed to be the starter and he got injured. Give it some time guys, Lin's not as bad as he has shown three out of the past four games, maybe his ankles are still hurting a bit?

No excuses, Lin came off the bench every preseason game. Price started in front of him when he was available as well. It made no sense to trot him out there as a starter when he played off the bench nightly.

Be honest do you want us to give it time because it's best for the lakers? It hasn't been for continuity at all, it hasn't been best for his play, and it has 0/4. Least we won a game with Pricr starting, least Lin was Into it everytime off the bench, and it's what we actually practiced

Laker fans know this **** doesn't vibe ... Just by remembering Barnes, Metta, and ebanks under potato head

uh oh.. looks like Byron just read your posts and decided to disagree with you guys..

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[cw3k]

It made no sense to play them all preseason together then break them up for the hell of it opening night

What happened was, Nash was supposed to be the starter, then he got injured. Then Lin was supposed to be the starter and he got injured. Give it some time guys, Lin's not as bad as he has shown three out of the past four games, maybe his ankles are still hurting a bit?

No excuses, Lin came off the bench every preseason game. Price started in front of him when he was available as well. It made no sense to trot him out there as a starter when he played off the bench nightly.

Be honest do you want us to give it time because it's best for the lakers? It hasn't been for continuity at all, it hasn't been best for his play, and it has 0/4. Least we won a game with Pricr starting, least Lin was Into it everytime off the bench, and it's what we actually practiced

Laker fans know this **** doesn't vibe ... Just by remembering Barnes, Metta, and ebanks under potato head

The problem with starting squad is they are not good PnR players or good catcher. Kobe taking 30% of all shot attempts is not helping the team either. Either move Lin to the bench or starts Davis. I see them both had great chemistry in pre-season.

Since the team is losing, Scott should do some shuffling and see what works. Of course, he already said no change.

[tenten]

I agree with Scott, we looked much better in game 3/4 than 1/2 despite how much better Clips/Warriors are than the Rockets/Suns.

We need to give the team more time. And Lin gets called out for trying to do too little or too much. I think everyone in our starting lineup except for Kobe have their limits and they will fail if they try to go beyond their limits.

Lin: only do pnr and run breaks, DO NOT iso/one on one
Wes: only shoot 3's and make cuts, DO NOT dribble/fade away
Boozer/Hill, only shoot 20 footers and rebound/layups/dunks, DO NOT dribble/post up/one on one

Kobe is the only one that can do everything. And if we win/lose because of Kobe in the 4th quarter, I think the team/coach have done their job.

[KungFuJoe]

Moving Lin to the bench does nothing. The only person that can stop Lin is Lin...and he's doing an awesome job so far. He's not a sparkplug/instant offense guy...and he plays the same vs starters and scrubs. He's inconsistent as hell and I always attributed that to the short leash he had over at Houston.

I honestly don't know what's wrong with him. It can't get any better for him than being on this Laker's squad. My only guess is that he really is a "system" player and benefited from D'Antoni in NY and the R&R system Houston ran to a lesser extent. The Lakers really have no idea what offense is and a lot of that IS Kobe's fault, but it's hard to blame Kobe for shot jacking when no one else can buy a bucket.

For this team to make any noise, they are going to have to start Ed Davis. All this talk about who is going to lead the second unit means nothing really. Starters, including Kobe, will have to play heavy minutes and they're going to have to hope everyone stays healthy. And they are going to have to find some kind of chemistry or it's going to get even uglier than it is now.

I will say this...Scott is doing the right thing by not changing the roster for 15-20 games. It's do or die...if he keeps switching guys around, they will never mesh.

My only hope is that Ed Davis emerges as a reliable low post scorer and provides some interior D, JHill continues his nice perimeter shooting (to space him and Ed), Kobe keeps on putting up 25ppg at 42-45% shooting, and Lin wakes the **** up. Boozer can provide some scoring off the bench and the rest of the guys can provide reliable D and the timely jumper here and there.

[Tee212]

the 0-4 start is expected! theyre playing quality teams for one, they never played with each other before thats two relying on the kobe system after his injuries at his age three, they lost a 9mil player to start the season four, they also lost randle five AND no nick off the bench. im not goona even count kelly at this point.

[ChokeFasncists]

Lakers Practice Report: Jeremy Lin On Frustrations, Spacing

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-prac ... 014/11/03/

The theme of Monday’s practice was that the team is still figuring out the best way to play together. Jeremy Lin singled out the spacing on offense

Lin also admitted that the early struggles in Los Angeles have been a bit more frustrating than he expected, but that’s mostly to do with a new system and figuring out how best to operate within it. Lin says he does recognize what’s needed from him, it’s just a matter of figuring out how to execute

Carlos Boozer echoed the same sentiments as Lin, that their struggle is not for lack of effort. Boozer pointed to communication being the number one thing this team needs to work on.

[kblo247]

Booz and Lin need to both shut up and let their play do the talking. It is the big difference between a Kobe and them, stfu and play good, over making excuses or hoping. Nick Young might actually be the second best guy we have because he just plays the game and keeps confidence in himself. Tired of waiting, they have justified why they were both thrown away like trash so far over proving Chicago and Huston wrong

[Jajwanda]

15-20 games in to make a change? Moron.